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Does anyone reload for the 5.6x57mm? If so, do you experience problems with the case and its thick neck? | ||
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Hi 9.3 Man! The 5,6x57 is nothing but trouble!. I know I guy who used to have one and he was real tired of that "thing"!. Buy a 220 swift instead!. DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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I had one for only a short time several years ago. I had no problems, but the neck never sealed to fill the chamber until you were right at max loads. It didn't affect performance, but the necks would come out as sooty as Santa after a trip down the chimney. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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Thank you both for your input on this cartridge. I had read in several books and manuals that loads for this round must be kept at maximum, but it was never explained why. I can live with sooty cases as long as performance is not affected, so I guess I had better try it out. Thank you both again for your input. | |||
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The sooty cases only meant you had to be sure you cleaned them up before reloading again & that your chamber needed cleaning more frequently as well. I did detect somewhat higher deviation readings at lower-pressure loads, but it never affected accuracy enough to be noticeable. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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Some guy out in TX has re-invented this cartridge recently, by necking down a 6mm Rem. case and loading it with relatively heavy bullets, and pretending that it is something new and magical!! It is essentially the same round, but without the thick neck. What this "new" round really amounts to is, in effect, a re-invention of Charlie Newton's .22 Newton, which was the 7X57mm Mauser case necked to shoot .228" bullets! This was done nearly 100 years ago. "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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Hi folks! Lordy, I hope I am not the "guy in Texas", although I do live there and do reload for a Steyr 5.6x57mm, and I have used 6mm Rem cases, UNTIL I was able to buy a supply of good RWS brass in 5.6x57mm. The 5.6x57mm is a pain to reload for, and something I would not recommend to anyone unless they wanted a project rifle/cartridge set up. For me, it is because I have a collectable carbine in the caliber (Mannlicher-Schoenauer M-72). Problems? Yes, my carbine seems to prefer Heavy .224 bullets, barfing whenever I feed it 55 grain pills. The bet bullets seem to be the heavy 64 to 74 grain bullets which are often hard to come by. The right cases for a 5.6x57 are the key! The brass has a hugely thick neck for use in barrel inserts in German drillings, which makes for reloading die problems. A normal 5.6x57mm die does not resize the neck of a case made from 6mm Rem or 7x57 Mauser sufficiently, forcing you to resize again with say a .22-250 neck sizer. This problem goes away when you have the RWS brass with its very thick neck. Once you have those RWS cases, the mechanics of the 5.6x57 are over, then it becomes a typical what powder - primer - bullets do I use situation. As for loads, I am still working on them, since there is so little information available, or, IF you have a copy of Weiderladen Weiderladen you find yourself with data, and no way to get the right powder/bullets. The 5.6x57mm is frustrating to say the least, but very fun to shoot. LLS  | |||
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Okay, that's true. But you could always use the DEVA manual instead, which also lists Norma, Vihtavuori and IMR propellants. C. -- "Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." "Is the world less safe now than before you declared your Holy war? You bet!" (DUK asking Americans, 14th June 2004) | |||
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Sierra 2, my old 70s Hornady manual has data on the 5.6 x 57 with common avalable American powdwers. 60 grains is as high as they list and the powders are: IMR 4320, 34.3 to 38.8 gr WW 760, 37.3 to 41.9 IMR 4350, 37.9 to 41.2 N203, 31.2 to 37.0 N204, 39.0 to 44.2 I planned on building one back then but never got around tuit. Still have a set of RCBS dies that have never been used if anyone wants a set cheap. With 7"-9" twist barrels so common and the release of the 70 gr Barnes TSX I think that today this would be a dandy white tail deer round for any application where reduced recoil was desired. It's just a PIA when the Swift will do 99% of the same job. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Naw, Sierra, it ain't you. The cartridge I'm referring to is a necked-down 6mm Remington case, not the 5.6X57 RWS! I believe he called it the .224 Triple Texas Terror, or some such name.......   This is essentially what the old Hornady 3rd Edition Reloading Manual says about it- a pain due to the extra thick neck! "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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Yeah, Johan! I guess it is!! "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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I hear you  My choice would be a 5,6X57 since it uses 224 bullet and is the only factory round. 60-75 grains would make it a great caliber for small deer's and fox etc.El Deguello, you need a 6X62 Frères Cheers /JOHAN | ||
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I read the 5.6x57 entry with interest as I want one in a while. Actualy the hornady write up merely mentions that the thick neck does not seal until you are near max loads. It then goes on to talk of the 'excellent ballistics obtained etc' seeing as they test it in a 22" barrel I think that's pretty good. When 22CF is finally legalised in the UK I will have a 5.6x57 by getting a 5.6mm-6mm remington reamer made. Rifle will have a 10twist for the 65gr sierra gameking BTSP. | |||
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Okay, where/how do I find a DEVA manual? I have the current Hodgdon book that also lists some 5.6x57mm loads LLS | |||
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It makes a really nice medium game rifle. Saw a combination gun at Champlin's or Hallowell (I think); 16 GA over 5.6 x 57R. How's that for esoteric? Actually, the only real advantage over the Swift that I see (and a slim one at that) is the lack of rim and slightly easier feeding in a standard Mauser box. Standard boxes are little long for the Swift and sometimes they nose-dive. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Johan, I have a 6mm/.284 with a 26" Douglas premium-grade barrel. It shoots 100-grain Sierra and Nosler Partition bullets at 3350 FPS with a load of old original H4831, and about like this 5-shot 100-yard group:  "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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Yes. I re-read it AFTER my post-should have read it before! I stand corrected!! "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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New 5th edition in preparation. See here for the 4th edition: http://www.deva-institut.de/l_literat.htm Carcano -- "Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." "Is the world less safe now than before you declared your Holy war? You bet!" (DUK asking Americans, 14th June 2004) | |||
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I have used the 5,6 x57mm it is a great round. Reloading was a bit interesting but what a great calibre! Aleko Hits count, misses don't | |||
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One item I did encounter with my 5.6x57mm cases made out of 6mm Remington brass was the smudging of the necks with less than full charge reloads. I am still curious how many reloads a 6mm case can stand in a 5.6x57mm chamber. The continuous over expansion of the neck ought to split the thin 6mm case before too many relaods. Maybe I'll try the experiment this winter. | |||
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If you're not already, you may want to consider annealing those necks and maybe turning them down slightly also.I found it curious that you stated continuous over expansion. Do you have an over sized diameter neck? The smudging can be a composite effect caused by such factors as : thick necked brass, hardened brass, oversized diameter of neck in chamber, very filthy powder residue, or even trapped lubricant.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Just wanted to add that the round alluded to in a couple of posts is the .224 TTH, aka .224 Texas Trophy Hunter, so named for the magazine where its usage gained quite a bit of attention and acceptance. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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WHat a waste of time and machining!!! Can it do something that the 22-250 or the Swift can't do? Probably not!! Except "smudge cases" with regularity!!! What an exercise in futility!!! GHD Groundhog Devastation(GHD) | |||
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GHD-That's EXACTLY what I thought and the reason I got rid of mine! Yes, it turned in some excellent groups, but it offered precious little more than any of the larger .22 centerfires such as the Swift or 22-250. When I had that rifle, I also had a Ruger 77V in the Swift. But about a year later, I traded that .220 and have regretted it ever since. I've had others, but this rifle seemed to transform any load into a tight cloverleaf and accounted for a number of long-range coyotes. But I guess we all have 20-20 hindsight... Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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Here we go again.... If the 22-250 is so good why bother with the Swift? Or the other way around? Just 'cause you don't understand something doesn't mean there isn't a reason to do it. In fact, there are (by law) minimum energy requirements for Roe deer hunting in Germany and the 22-250 and the Swift twist rates in factory rifles wouldn't shoot the heavy bullets needed to get the energy figures so.....RWS designed this round to meet the energy requirements at reasonable pressures. It was probaby the first fast-twist 22 at the time. It was never intended as a varmint cartidge. The reason the neck is so thick is to allow a 22 Hornet chamber adapter that registers in the neck area of the chamber. In this case they put the horse before the cart and designed a cartridge to function optimally with an adpater instead of compromising the adapter design to fit standard necks. And have a dual purpose rifle without all the permits and less expensive ammo for lesser animals. It's actually pretty practical, especially if you live somewhere in Europe where they don't like you to own a lot of individual rifles. Here's a pic of the little deer so you can see why they like small calibers:  "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Before I switched to proper RWS cartridge cases I had this problem. My 5.6x57 dies would not resize the 6mm necks down to accept a .224 bullet, so I used a .22-250 resizing die as a neck sizer. It worked. However, I think the culprit is actually the large chamber of the 5.6x57 rifle, since it has to accept those heavy RWS cases with their larger neck size. An unfired loaded RWS factory round measures 0.276 inches outside diameter. My converted 6mm cases measure 0.255 inches at the neck, and the nexk expands to 0.272 on firing. At least that's what my micrometer is telling me. LLS | |||
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