For those of you that have used the .25/35 on deer, what results have you had: Bang-Flops? Run offs? Lost game? Exits or not? The season is winding down and I'm going to put good effort towards shooting a deer with a .25/35, which I have yet to do. I have 2, a Winchester 94 Trails End and a Contender Carbine, both unblooded. I'll likely point it at a doe but who knows, the biggest buck in S.C. could walk out. I haven't started loading this cartridge yet and am using the Winchester factory load. Always a little leery of using such a puny cartridge but it does at the muzzle what a .257 Roberts 117 gr RN factory load does at 200 and it is considered adequate. Probably won't shoot past 50 yards anyway in the spot I intend to hunt. I know thousands of deer and bigger animals have fallen to the ancient .25 but just want some real world feedback on any results you've had. Thanx.

I have a M-92 winchester in 25-20 that has shot several deer.....bang/flops.....no....but dead just the same and the 25-35 is at least twice the gun.

It'll work if you do your job and keep the range under 100 yrds

I have a OLD model 1894,(act made 1928).Octagon 26"bbl. It has worked for me once.Nice doe at 40yds.It was a neck shot however.The deer went straight down. But from this range , severing the spine,any cal.would work. As far as body shots go. My uncle took a nice doe at 125yds in an open field ,with the same rifle. Classic Double lung shot. The deer went about 30yds and colapsed. Both deer were killed with 115gr. Win. factory ammo. As with all game, bullet placement is the key. That being said. You can whack em' with the 25-35 as long as there close. Hope I could help.



"If winning isn't important? WHY keep score...."

Ray Atkinson talked about his grandfather using them to hunt elk with in Idaho for years... and annually got his elk...

Paul M: I am sure envious of that 25/35 you indicate that you have....

I'd never hesitate to take a 25/35 deer hunting when ranges are going to be 150yds, or less...
Regardless of deer sizes!

shot placement is the key;.. and a 117 grainRN is an accurate bullet and the RN design has always been my favorite for performance...

little 25/20s have taken a lot of deer....

maybe do it once or twice and get it out of your system. In this day and age it isn't the prudent rifle to use.Ray's ancestory used the 25-35 because that was the tool they had and they became good with it. It wasn't that they used it because they thought it was the best rifle for the job.

The idea of taking after a mule deer with a 25-20 just boggles my mind. Feral dogs aren't easy to kill with a 25-20 nor a 32-20 for that matter.

The key word, Maybe, is PRUDENT. roger

Aww Roger, once in a while one has to get traditional and nostalgic...

it is not always about making sure you get an animal...

one should be prudent about the limits of the firearm... and work within those parameters...

I have to admit, I enjoy the daylights out of going out bear hunting with my old 30/40 Krag..

NO bear has shown his face, to cooperate... but I still enjoyed the heck out of walking with it..

I have an 1893 Marlin chambered in 25/20, that I will probably take a deer with sometime... as I have carried it in the woods, close to the house here....

Scarcity of game is our problem here locally Now...deer populations are down to dirt...

The one's I see running thru my yard are pretty darn small and scrawny...

heck, I am even playing with the idea of doing a 25 Rem or a 30 Rem, on a Ruger action... once again, modern meets nostalgia....

I figure either as a 100 yd cartridge, maybe 150 with the black tails here... but since most are taken within 100 yds...it is not like I would be undergunned...

I baged a few bucks with a Contender carbine 18" barrel loaded with the 90 gr. Barnes SP and the 85 gr. X - bullet. They were traveling at around 2,650 fps. The deer were around 50 - 60 yds. and would stumble off a few yards after the shot. Not alot of enternal damage.

I've killed a few deer with the Hornady 117 gr. RN out of a .250-3000 Savage at 2,600 fps. Its a fairly tough bullet. The deer would always make a mad dash before giving up the ghost.

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
Aww Roger, once in a while one has to get traditional and nostalgic...

it is not always about making sure you get an animal......

Hey Seafire, To me it is always about taking an animal cleanly with a single shot. I realize you are not infering that wounding them is acceptable. And I know you champion lower velocity Loads so the children can begin hunting at a very young age.

What do you consider is the "least" amount of Retained Energy at the Point-of-Impact to ensure clean kills on Deer?

I dunno if this still holds true, but back in the late 1940s (1949) when I took my first deer hunt, California outlawed any cartridge for deer than had less than 1,000 foot pounds of energy at 100 yards, thus making the 25-35 illegal for deer with it's then advertised 995 Ft. Lbs. at 100 yards.
There were a few old timers who lived way back in the hills that used the cartridge and never failed to take a deer for them.
Paul B.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paul B:
California outlawed any cartridge for deer than had less than 1,000 foot pounds of energy at 100 yards, Colorado also had that law and maybe still does. You also had to use a bullet heavier tha 70 grains.
There were a few old timers who lived way back in the hills that used the cartridge and never failed to take a deer for them.end of quote

Reading some of these threads over the years seems to paint a picture of rural dwellers that were crackerjack shots. Well I've hunted with a lot of those Farmers, ranchers, cowboys and such and only met 2 that could really shoot. One is Jack Lowe now a guide out of Cedar
Ridge and the other a Colbourne boy in the 40s who got his ass kicked by his dad every time he missed.

I once watched 7 of these locals lined up on a ridge shooting off hand down hill at a doe that might have been 100yds.out. That doe slowly walked into the Quakies without a scratch.

Amoung that group was a cowboy rancher friend of mine. He asked me to go up into the high country with his Dad and see if I could get a bear that had turned cattle killer. He said I could use his 06 and gave me a double handful of mixed 06 cartridges.When I asked him what bullet weight they were. He said "Does it matter?" We probably have a little different and more learned philosophy today; Maybe.roger

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He said I could use his 06 and gave me a double handful of mixed 06 cartridges.When I asked him what bullet weight they were. He said "Does it matter?" We probably have a little different and more learned philosophy today;

Hey, I know that guy--he is always at the range the Monday after the opening weekend. Seems he always says something like "But I was on him dead-don't know how I could have missed."

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What do you consider is the "least" amount of Retained Energy at the Point-of-Impact to ensure clean kills on Deer?

Hot core...

I have to admit, I don't worry about footpounds whatsoever....

I do pay attention to sectional density and trajectory charts.....

I also put a lot of faith in round nose bullets as lethal game getters...

I myself would feel fine with the 117 grain RN in the 25/35 for 150 yds...

if I used the 25/20, it would be shooting a deer in my yard, with a headshot and for meat hunting only....and in my neighborhood that is never going to happen..so it is a mute point...

I would buy more into impact velocity, in ratio to bullet construction and style over foot lbs..and I know of no real formulas for that...

I am not trying to dodge your question... I just don't buy into footpounds as an indicator for killing power...

I believe in bullet placement... I have dropped a few deer, with a head shot from a 22 Mag...

once that was all I had in my hands, at the last day of deer season, after just putting my rifle up...

the other times, it has been dispatching deer in rural Oregon that have been hit by a car, and had broken hips or shoulders...

distances were 100 yds,to 125, but they killed the animals instantly each time...each time the ear drums were bulged out of the ears from the pressure, and their brains sounded like water in a boot when you shook their heads...

Hey Seafire, If you were taking a child out on their first Hunt, what would be the smallest cartridge, smallest bullet and lowest velocity you would let that "child" use to ensure a clean 1-shot kill?

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
Hey Seafire, If you were taking a child out on their first Hunt, what would be the snallest cartridge, smallest bullet and lowest velocity you would let that "child" use to ensure a clean 1-shot kill?

I'm sure Seafire will reply however I'd like to reply here as well Hot core......

When I hunt deer the smallest cartridge I use is a 257 Roberts these days and this year used the 30-06 as a commerative thing! However I've used the 222 Rem and I can assure you that if you poke a deer thru the ribs with the 222 he's as good as venison in the freezer. Certainly the 222 won't stand up to the ft-lb test!!!

I used it in Texas where it was legal and it's legal in Wisconsin as well as several other states.

Other low recoil rounds that have worked for me include the 223, 6 X 45, and 85 grain partition from the 243 Winchester.

A kid that can shoot it and at standing targets with a decent rest is as well off as anyone with a lot more power! It all boils down to shot placement........repeated for the umpteenth time.

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
Hey Seafire, If you were taking a child out on their first Hunt, what would be the smallest cartridge, smallest bullet and lowest velocity you would let that "child" use to ensure a clean 1-shot kill?

.357 Mag in a carbine inside 75 yards. No lighter than 150 grain bullets and no less than 1600 fps.

There are lots of ways of skinning this particular cat. I would not HUNT deer with a .25-20, but I might well shoot a particularly careless deer with one if he offered me the perfect shot inside 50 yards while I was hunting squrrel.

I have no doubts about the abilities of the .25-35 or the .250-3000 loaded to similar levels. Those long skinny 117 grain RN can be counted on to expand and penetrate.

All that aside, my choice for a small beginner would be the 7.62x39.

I have 25-35 barrels, dies, bullets, actions, and brass.

All I need is to put them together

I believe the 25-35 loaded to it's potential in an 1885 action will be effective.

In WA the bullet must be 100 grains or more.
I think the 25-35 could push 100 grains at 3000 fps with 65kpsi.


That should stay above 2000 fps out to 410 yards.

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
Hey Seafire, If you were taking a child out on their first Hunt, what would be the smallest cartridge, smallest bullet and lowest velocity you would let that "child" use to ensure a clean 1-shot kill?

Well Hot Core....

If we are talking blacktail around here, they are usually antelope sized....

First if I have to put an answer into that puzzle.. I'd carefully select a bullet that is going to do the job....

so if we are talking as low as 22 caliber where it is legal....like here in Oregon... a 22 Hornet is legal for deer....because it is a 22 caliber centerfire...

Say the range was going to be 100 to 150 yds, limit with the adult whom was taking that kid out... like seafire here...

well, I have some Barnes 22 caliber, 45 grain x bullets, and some 53 gr XLC bullets..

with an MV of 2200 to 2400, I'd feel comfortable with these bullets doing their job with that distance, assuming proper shot placement of course... bad shot placements out of an 06 won't kill always, but you know that...

if those bullets are available, for a 222, or 223... I would also use them....my other choices would consist of a lot of the 55 grain SPs on the market... I'd prefer the 60s a bit more...with MV is the 2500 to 3000 fps range... but MVs of 2200 to 2400 will work, especially if you can be disciplined for under 100 yds...

for my own use of 223, for deer hunting, I carry in the truck at times, in case opportunity presents itself back off of forest service roads on the way to where I hunt or for backup...

I have a featherweight model 70, in 223, with a 2 x 7 Weaver Rimfire scope on it.... It has taken blacktails, with the 63 grain SMP Sierra under a charge of 28 grains of H 380....and also the same charge, pushing a 70 grain SMP Speer, my favorite 22 caliber bullet for deer... MV is about 3000 fps for those loads....

a young man who I let borrow it to go out with his dad on a youth hunt, took a doe, with a load of 12.5 grains of Blue Dot and a 55 grain Ballistic tip...MV about 2500....the doe was a typical blacktail doe about 85 to 90 lbs on the hoof.. he took it at about 80 to 100 yds according to his dad... lungshot, the deer dropped instantly.. I wasn't there, so I am just relaying dad's info... which proud dads, might exaggerate, who knows.. but the kid got his deer...

so that is what I can relay...

with the right bullet, not varmint bullets... 22 calibers do a good job here in Oregon... but that is not to say it is the standard deer round out this way.. plenty of guys think they need a 7 mag or better for deer...

as for myself, the most common thing I am carrying deer hunting is a 260 Rem, with a 100 grain Hornady SP with an MV of 3350 fps...

this last season, I carried a 7 x 57 in a Featherweight model 70, with a load of 44 grains of IMR 4895 for an MV of 2800 fps with a 140 grain Rem SP and some with a 140 grain Ballistic tip...unfortunately the deer numbers are so low, no real good opportunity presented itself, although I had several 6 and 8 point bucks chasing does around here several times...

But the transplanted neighbors from California come apart when you take a deer in your yard around here...

although I did find out a friend whom lives on a little larger piece of property just told me that his deer this year was a spike he shot in his yard on the new to the last day of the season.. with a head shot from a 17 HMR....out the window of the house...

he is kinda keeping publically quiet about that one.. as one could guess why...

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
...If we are talking blacktail around here, they are usually antelope sized....

...here in Oregon... a 22 Hornet is legal for deer....Say the range was going to be 100 to 150 yds, limit with the adult whom was taking that kid out... like seafire here...

...Barnes 22 caliber, 45 grain x bullets, ...with an MV of 2200 to 2400, ...

There you go. Now lets run a few numbers.

I don't know the BC of that 45gr Barnes bullet, so I'll guess it is maybe .170 which would mean 484 ft# at the muzzle, 305 ft# at 100yds and 188 ft# at 200yds.

Sure seems small to me.

Yeah but Hot Core...that is why I don't believe in foot lbs as an indication of killing power...

I have great faith in that little Barnes X, plowing thru the vitals and doing the proper damage...now a 22 Mag may have have the same numbers, yet with a different bullet... and will have less results...of course....

I have learned being a 6.5 mm fan, that the ft lbs listed on 6.5 loads, are not indicative of their killing power..

I use to be hung up on that, before I started reloading... I remember when I thought that even a 30/06 was light for deer in No. Minnesota.. and remember how proud I was when I brought a Browning A Bolt in 300 Win Mag and 338 Win Mag....complete with a 4 x 12 Bausch and Lomb Scope on top of the 338....

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
Yeah but Hot Core...that is why I don't believe in foot lbs as an indication of killing power...
..

If you can find no correlation between bullet energy, tissue damage from transfered energy, and adequate killing ability we have had vastly different experience and aren't going to the same libraries.

In my Not too Humble Opinion ,at times,puting creedance on slow bullets piercing some wood as an adequate killing indicator is just a little off target.

Pushing the envelope to satisfy or expound on a personnel theory rather than being objective and using all the knowledge at our disposal is being locked into tunnel vision and using selective reasoning.

Having said this and after you perform a little introspection, I truely hope you get some benefit out of what I'm saying. No foul intended. Back to da roger

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
Yeah but Hot Core...that is why I don't believe in foot lbs as an indication of killing power...

I have great faith in that little Barnes X, plowing thru the vitals and doing the proper damage...... I remember when I thought that even a 30/06 was light for deer in No. Minnesota.. ...

Hey Seafire, Apparently what you have witnessed while killing Deer is completely different from my experience. It is so different that I'm not sure how to rationalize what you have seen.

If it was someone else, I'd be glad to "argue" the merits of using an adequate Cartridge with a higher minimum Point of Impact Energy. But, I'm just not going to do that.

I'll just end with saying that I strongly disagree with your thoughts on proper and adequate killing power. And I also believe it is possible to start children killing too quickly.

Best of luck to you.

5 foot pounds to the throat dropped Nicole Simpson.

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Originally posted by tnekkcc:
5 foot pounds to the throat dropped Nicole Simpson.

And a 5 pound rock to the head made little Orick bait for a velasoraptor roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
Yeah but Hot Core...that is why I don't believe in foot lbs as an indication of killing power...
..

If you can find no correlation between bullet energy, tissue damage from transfered energy, and adequate killing ability we have had vastly different experience and aren't going to the same libraries.

In my Not too Humble Opinion ,at times,puting creedance on slow bullets piercing some wood as an adequate killing indicator is just a little off target.

Pushing the envelope to satisfy or expound on a personnel theory rather than being objective and using all the knowledge at our disposal is being locked into tunnel vision and using selective reasoning.

Having said this and after you perform a little introspection, I truely hope you get some benefit out of what I'm saying. No foul intended. Back to da roger

Roger,

I learn more by hanging out with those who opinions may differ from my own, than I do, from hanging out with people who think exactly like I do....

I always respect your insights, and know that they are earned from years of experiences to draw upon....and therefore they may be right for your perspective...

but my own opinions are based on my own experiences also.. which may not be as many as yours, given our age differences...

I certainly have had a total 180 on opinions in the past... HOWever, for what my opinion is today... I don't believe that ft lbs are an indicator of lethality... 6.5 mms and 30/30s taught me that... as have 300 Win Mag failures..

you are one of the guys I will always respect their opinions, even if it is in the exact opposite direction of my opinion....

variables are what makes the world go round!

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Hey Seafire, Apparently what you have witnessed while killing Deer is completely different from my experience. It is so different that I'm not sure how to rationalize what you have seen.

If it was someone else, I'd be glad to "argue" the merits of using an adequate Cartridge with a higher minimum Point of Impact Energy. But, I'm just not going to do that.

I'll just end with saying that I strongly disagree with your thoughts on proper and adequate killing power. And I also believe it is possible to start children killing too quickly.

ya know HOT Core, the only real truth to both your opinion and my opinion are that, as opposite as they both may be... there has been plenty of failures on both ends of the spectrum...

and once again, I think we all can agree on one little fact.. shot placement, with the proper bullet style at a reasonable impact velocity rules over all the academic arguments we want to have on the subject...
I think we all can agree, target practice and using one's head, and knoweing one's equipment are the keys to a successful hunt and teaching the fellow hunters of tomorrow...

funny, contrary to the pattern of our military... I have no problem deer hunting with 223 and the right bullet for the job... however, if I had to go into combat!... I'd rather have a 308 in a M14 over a 223 in an M16 any day!.... deer don't shoot back!!!!

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shot placement, with the proper bullet style at a reasonable impact velocity rules over all the academic arguments we want to have on the subject...
target practice and using one's head, and knowing one's equipment are the keys to a successful hunt and teaching the fellow hunters of tomorrow...

On this we should unite as better statements about hunting have never been made although it's been said with different words a thousand times on these forums.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW!

Wow, what a fiasco! We've come back to muzzle velocity and penetration and expansion and foot-pounds and...oh, yeah, bullet placement.

Anyway, back to the question at hand. I had the great privilege of hunting this fall with my grandfather's 25-35 Model 94, made in 1907. Legend has it he "found it in the woods" (he was a surveyor, so it's at least plausible).

It has a Redfield peep and will shoot about 3" groups at 100 yards off a bench. That being the case, I decided to hunt a stand the opening Saturday evening of the Wisconsin season where most shots would be not further than 80 yards or so.

An aside...though I've put together handloads--mild ones, at that--I didn't have time to pick them up, and just used an old box of WW factory ammo. I had chronied the factory stuff from this gun; they were running about 1850ish fps.

That evening, just before light failed, a button buck stepped out at about 70 yards. I could see he wasn't going to stop, and was about to make the scrub, so I quickly shot.

I knew the bullet hit a little too far back; luckily, the deer was quartering away slightly, and it got the back of the far lung, along with the liver. And while the yearling was by no means "big" it was a good-sized deer and the bullet exited.

The deer went 10 or 15 yards and laid down. After about 15 minutes, with very little light left, I walked down the shooting lane towards the deer. It stood up, took a step or two and just stood there, facing me. I shot a second time, only grazing the deer, and it promptly fell down dead.

It was nearly bled out when it stood up, and I suspect that the little extra adrenaline from me walking towards it quickened the kill more than the second bullet.

I don't know if I will shoot any more deer with my grandfather's gun, though I probably will. Maybe I'll let my son or daughter shoot a deer with it someday. Maybe.

But what a gun! And that's what it's all about anyway, isn't it?

I hope each of you has someone in your life to share such a memory with.

friar

Bullet energy does have a lot (almost everything) to do with killing power, however there are limits. You may start with 6000 ft/lbs., but if the animal you are shooting cannot soak up that much energy, then most of it is wasted, and may drop slower than something offering much less inital energy. Go on to the hunting videos and see the how much faster the antelope go down with the .270 vs. the .375/.404.
Larger caliber will help when the energy is way over, or bullet construction is too strong, simply because there is a larger physical hole through the animal (though only if the vitals are hit). Smaller bullets do very, very well (within reason) when driven faster, as they tend to expend more of their energy inside the animal, opening up to full diameter.

I also am a bowhunter, and this is what I can tell you: small bullets that go slow will pass through the animal, allowing them to bleed out, but not quickly. This is how a bow shot works. The difference is that a bow is relatively quiet, and does not tend to ellicit as strong an adrenaline response, which would both prolong life, and make the meat much less edible.
What firearms offer that is vastly different from arrows is, simply put, shock. Put a huge ripple/disturbance into a largely fluid-based animal, and the lights go out, period. The balance, of course, is whether to use enough shock to pulverize that animal and its meat, or just to kill it quickly.

I hunt with both a 6.5 and a .577, and both have merits and usefulness. I've killed deer with 85 gr. 6mm, and I've killed them with 235 gr. .375's, both work. We must hunt within the limits of our particular firearm/cartridge/load/bullet's usefullness, with an extra bit of insurance. 25/35 at shorter range, sure, .22 Hornet . . . that's just not fair to the animal. Sure, it may work, but here's the question: if you were on a trophy, once-in-a-lifetime hunt for (insert similar-sized animal here), would YOU use the .22 Hornet??? Likely not. Well, for that deer, this is also a once-in-a-lifetime hunt, and it deserves a fair and speedy sendoff to the freezer. 'Nuff said

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Originally posted by GabrielGuitars:
Bullet energy does have a lot (almost everything) to do with killing power,'Nuff said

And said as well as I've ever heard or read Normally I don't read long posts but yours I stayed glued to. roger

Ok, I'm lost, energy is "almost everything" with regards to killing power, yet you hunt with one of the lowest K.E. weapons available, the arrow. It seems to me the arrow suggests penetration and wound channel perimeter are everything, something a broadhead delivers lots of, and very efficiently.

Asdf, energy is "almost everything" in terms of firearms, not bows. Arrows kill by blood loss (hemorage), firearms kill more by shock, in addition to blood loss and major organ disruption. The typical traditional bow kill (I hunt only traditional, even primitive) is a matter of hitting the animal with the arrow, and then sitting down and waiting for some time, so as to not scare the animal any more than necessary. It is not unheard of to hit the deer with an arrow, have it twitch, look around, and then go back to eating until it falls down dead. Bullet strike is instantly traumatic, and that's because of the energy and shock. Hope that helps.

Well, I still can't report of the .25/35's effectiveness on deer but it appears to be a dandy coyote round. I carried the T/C this morning in hopes of pointing it at a deer but struck out in that regard. A big, beautiful coyote did present itself and the .25/35 put him down. A coyote may seem insignificant to those who see/shoot them regularly but this was my first coyote. They are fairly "new" to S.C. and 20 years ago if someone reported seeing one around here they'd be accused of hitting the bottle. They have flourished over the last decade and are evidently fairly common but this was only the 3rd one I've ever seen while hunting and the first one in about 10 years. He appeared to be fairly large for an Eastern coyote and has a prime winter coat. The .25/35 dropped him in his tracks and while the exit hole showed nice expansion, the damage is minimal so he will make a nice mount. Most any other rifle I'd have likely been carrying would have probably blown him apart at 35 yards. Still want to shoot a deer with the .25/35 but based on the bullet performance on this coyote, I think it'll handle the deer just fine. I have one or two more times this season to find out...

My first centerfire rifle was a 25/35 1894 Winchester. My grandfather bought it for me at the old Buckhorn Gunshop in downtown Dallas back in the late 1950s for $35. It killed whitetails as well as my brother's 30-30.

<<<For those of you that have used the .25/35 on deer, what results have you had>>>

Just think of the .25/35 compared to a .250 Savage or .257 Roberts. The .25/35 needs you to stand a little closer to the buck for the same result.
Another thought is about the sighting equipment. If the majority of .25/35s are iron sighted lever actions the iron sights may limit the effectivness of many hunters more than the caliber. Try a receiver sight for better results and don't shoot at running game.

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Another thought is about the sighting equipment. If the majority of .25/35s are iron sighted lever actions the iron sights may limit the effectivness of many hunters more than the caliber. Try a receiver sight for better results and don't shoot at running game.

Fear not. Both my .25/35s wear glass; The T/C a Burris 4x mini and the Winchester wears a Bushnell Scopechief 1.5x4.5. Both are extremely accurate and I wouldn't dream of a running shot with any rifle at unwounded game, unless at spitting distance.

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Originally posted by SCGunNut:
Well, I still can't report of the .25/35's effectiveness on deer but it appears to be a dandy coyote round. ...

Congratulations on the Coyote. It is nice that we can kill them ALL YEAR LONG!

Hang in there and the opportunity for the Deer will present itself.

"Bushnell Scopechief 1.5x4.5" - now that brings back some memories too. Best of luck with the outfit.

"Any gun good, shoot-um good!"

I have personally known Eskimos who regularly killed polar bears and walrus with .22 Hornets. That's before they "up-gunned" to .222 Remingtons!

I have taken deer with my '94 Win in 25/35, my '92 Win in 25/20, and my 1899 Savage in 22 Hi-Power. These were all blacktails, but you just have t orealize what your shooting and take an appropriate shot. No issues. Too many people goas big as possible. Sometimes I think it is an internal lack of confidence i nones abilities???

I still hunt and kill deer with my 30/30 and an old Remington Model 8 30 Remington. I actually think that for half of the white-tail hunting seen on TV and almost all of our blacktail hunting, and nice tiny bolt gun in 30 Remington, or even a 25 Remington would be the best.

Plenty of power and penetration, and it isn't overkill. I used my 308 on two deer this year and wish I had used a smaller gun.