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Get a Savage 11F if you want a lightweight sporter, or a 10FP if a heavy, varmint barrel is acceptable. Inexpensive here in the States, but accurate as all hell. My 10FLP shoots in the .3s and .4s with most loads with the factory barrel. George ------------------ | |||
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By the way, I use my 10FLP .223 on prairie dogs (smaller than meerkats or springhares), groundhogs (bigger than a dassie) and coyotes (about the size of the aardwolf or bigger). The barrel holds its accuracy even when hot. George ------------------ | |||
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I'm not that much of a fan of the Remington 700, but they are accurate, relatively inexpensive, and simple to rebarrel. You're not going to "wear out" the action with any number of shots. If you want to move up the "food chain" a bit, I would suggest you look at a Sako Model 75 in stainless. Again, I'm not really a stainless fan, either, but for your application, you might get more shots through the barrel before it craters than with non-stainless. | |||
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I have a "high-dollar" option for you. Take a look at one of the carbon-fiber barrels such as Magrnum Research....Remington also makes one now or at least puts them on some of their rifles. You can shoot them as fast as you want and the outer liner doens't get hot to the touch and they do provide "varmint-hunting" quality. | |||
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| <BigBores> |
Hey, he said something special...That leaves out Savage! They are utility tools, but definately NOT special! How 'bout a Kimber, or a Cooper lightweight? You can always go with a Win pre-64, and order, say a dozen Douglas or Pac-Nor barrels at the same time? Just trying to get my posts up to 250 for my first CD! | ||
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You guys are forgetting that our stuff can cost up to THREE times as much in RSA compared to the U.S. Tomcat, if you're looking for something more elegant than a Savage, may I suggest a Winchester Model 70 Coyote in .223 George
[This message has been edited by GeorgeS (edited 08-07-2001).] [This message has been edited by GeorgeS (edited 08-07-2001).] | |||
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I shoot savages on p dogs very accurate. They all work 223 is easy on the barrels. | |||
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| <Bill Tompkins> |
If I might suggest: 1) Sako with a drop box magazine barreled Just a couple of thoughts. Bill | ||
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As long as loads are within factory pressure standards I would consider almost ilimited use for any of the time proven actions such as rem700, win70, mauser98, savage, etc. Regarding the barrel I would go the stainless route as it is my understanding that they last longer than cr-moly, but I would not expect big differences between one maker and another as they use pretty much the same kind of steel. I would appreciate your comments, as it is extremely difficult to have the opportunity to speak to someone of your experience, on the performance of the brno's action and whether you find the need to change to another make, and if you actually foun differences concerning the durability of the several top barrels you have tried. Regards, Montero | |||
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| <Tomcat> |
Thanks to everyone who replied to my question. The one thing I did not mention was that a drop magazine is quite important. I have 3 magazines for my Brnos, so that one can be filled while I am shooting. I must admit that the Savage caught my attention, but they are scarce here and spares may be a problem later. The Sako, especially in stainless is high on my list and can be had with drop magazine. The Rem700 sounds very good, as do the Win 70 Coyote, but no drop magazine. I may just be spoilt, as several other guys who shoot for the same group use fixed magazines... The CZ or Brno as we call them, served me very well. I've had my one since age 5 and I'm 42 now. It has had 13 new barrels in the 11 years since I started shooting professionally. But they need substantial work to make them accurate, and are pretty ugly. Also... I am itching for something new! Montero, oddly enough, the cheapest barrel, the Wilson, lasted the longest at about 7000 rounds. I am using 2 stainless Shilens at the moment, and in 5500 shots one has gone from .27 groups to .6 and the other from .35 to .55. A springbuck has a brain area of approx 2x2 inches. We shoot at night and aim just below the eye, which cut the target to 1.5 inches high. As we shoot up to 250 yds, you start taking chances once the grouping is much over .5 As a matter of interest, molycoating helps as it cuts down on cleaning, but barrels don't really last longer. I think I should try to borrow a Rem and/or a Winchester and see if I can get along with the fixed magazine. If not, it will be Sako, but as I have to buy 2 at US$1200 each... | ||
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| <Eric Leonard> |
the model 700 bdlss detachable mag.with 5 or 6 extra mags ought to fit the bill.accurate as any factory rifle and the detachable mags preloaded should fit the bil. | ||
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| <Ol' Sarge> |
CZ573? or Remington 700BDLSS DBM. Both are super accurate and well balanced. ------------------ | ||
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| <W. Woodall> |
Tomcat, Your situation is out of the normal realm of sporting shooting. But, there are solutions. The Lothar-Walther barrel that you had was probably a normal steel one. Go with the LW 50 Stainless. Polygon rifling, 8" or 12" twist, depending on your bullets. This alone will get you well past 10,000 rounds, but there is more. You can specify the LOWAT process and this will boost your barrel life even more. We may even have some things left over from other projects that would benefit you. Some of these barrels have barrel life exceeding 30,000 rounds. Send me an e-mail and I can go into more detail. | ||
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| <reload> |
The Remington 700 short action is probably the strongest, Go to a good benchrest gunsmith and have him cut you 2 or 3 barrels with the same chamber and when one barrel starts to go just unscrew it and put on another. Stay with him and if you need more he can just send you the barrel when you need it and that should be a problem when shipping, because it is not a complete gun. Good Luck | ||
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| <frankm> |
have you considered cryoing your barrel and molying (or other bullet treatment)to extend barrel life? just a thought. good luck. a man with a gun is a citizen. a man without one is a subject. | ||
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quote: I do really like your motto. I think I will use when I candidate for the parliament next year - gun control is strong in Europe and especially in Sweden. Our european version: A man with a gun is a robber. A man without a gun is robbed... Fritz K. | |||
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| <Varmint Hunter> |
How about rebarreling with a Lilja 3 groove. This barrel should last longer, clean easier and possibly shoot a little faster to boot. Just a thought. VH | ||
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| <MW of Texas> |
I just recently bought a Rem 700 in Classic 223 Rem. I bedded action and floated the barrel. Got 55 Nosler BT Going 3220 fps @ .276 to .380 groups 5 shot each with H322 & Rem 7 1/2 primers. It doesn't seem to like the 40 grainers though. It shoots Shilen's 52 match bullets at .456" 5 shot. Paid $ 488.00 for the rifle and $ 14.00 for the Accuglass. Two hours of labor and now it's a tack driver. If you can still find you one, I believe I would try this gun. | ||
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