I picked up one of the Sendero SFIIs in 25-06 specifically because Barnes released an 80 grain Tipped TSX for in .257. 10 below again this morning! How in hell is a person supposed to get those loads worked out when it just hangs in there with that cold.? A trip to the range with a few extra rounds and the coyote caller in the car would sure go nice about now

I look at the numbers for a 26 inch barrel in 25-06 with an 80 grain bullet and it looks like I can get somewhere between 3500 and 3800. With a tough bullet like the Barnes That rifle is probably enough to make old Adolph Niedner sit up in his grave and take notice.

I have seven groups out of the rifle while breaking in the barrel and they all were tiny. Three were one ragged hole, and that's with a reduced load just below minimum, and no workup for accuracy, hadn't touched the trigger yet.

The way I look at it a bullet tough enough to handle heavy bone on deer moving at that kind of speed finally makes the first offspring of the 30-06 about as good as it can get. The Barnes bullets don't normally make a big hole in the hide on the way out, so they ought to be fun for whacking coyotes too. They ought to nicely vaporize skunks and possums. I started loading back in the mid-fifties and we still had mil-surp powder and crappy bullets then. Getting the quality out that we take for granted today was much harder. I am so whizzed up to start working this rifle out I can't stand it.

Well, I look at it this way: I can develop loads way quicker this time of the year because I don't have to wait for the barrel to cool down! During the summer you have to wait between groups........now I can shoot 50 rounds in an hour and not worry about the barrel........I don't notice any differences really if I use any of the "extreme" series powders from cold to summer.

matt

"Winter sucks!"

Miles, stand by. A. Gore promiseus that winter will disapear soon.

I have always been pretty leery of developing loads in winter. It just doesn't seem good to me to work a load up when it's cold and then worry about how much heat it takes to make it more than I want. Work them up in the heat and shoot them in the cold is much safer.

Yep, was ten below here this morning. We got one foot of snow Sat nite, and about a foot more last nite. It snows every day here.
I haven't been able to shoot since the early part of November.

Don

I'll exchange 35c deg + for - 10 any day of the week

I have a similar load that I used this past deer season with a 85 gr x bullet going around 3600 fps range
I have yet do shoot a coyote with it but it works wonders on whitetails

I love winter! This is my shooting season.

Summer sucks, it's so hot you can't shoot cause you sweat all over your guns and they never cool.

Spring it's hard to find a day that's not windy and Fall is hunting season.

Love winter.

I love winter too. Here in southeastern Pennsylvaina, it's so hot and sticky in the summer sometimes that you could choke. I'm enjoying the cold windy winter and will miss it when it's gone!

The snows melting away where I am at. Its just too muddy to get in the mountains. The good thing about winter over here is when it snows, its alot easier to find and shoot jack rabbits. The ground squirrels should be coming out soon.

I just shot in our club's first CMP shoot of the season-it's called the Frozen Chosen.

I can shoot pretty much year round here in S Oregon...if you don't mind dealing with rain...

Winter doesn't suck, depending on where you are at...

Winter in MN sucks.. 15 yrs od it was enough for me!

key is to have a range out of the house window, or out of the garage.. if you live out in the country...

a guy I met on the forum a few years ago, and stopped by his home when in Montana... he had a 100 yd range set up, with a shooting bench etc, set up in his garage....

just post the target and open the garage door...

that was kind of convenient... of course he was in his 60s and was a bachelor.... both of which helps immensely...

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I'll exchange 35c deg + for - 10 any day of the week

That'd be -20 something to you there mate and if you live where it gets to 35c then You really can't understand what steel at -10 does to your fingers.

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Posted 24 February 2009 11:52 Hide Post
I can shoot pretty much year round here in S Oregon...if you don't mind dealing with rain...

Winter doesn't suck, depending on where you are at...

That was just plain mean and uncalled for, coming from someone who knows better. Go stand in the corner.

I hate winter too.

I don't ski

I don't own a snowmobile

I don't ice fish

I do however have a 4x4 pickup truck...
which is currently sitting in my driveway on jackstands
So I can pull the transmission.

Why? because the tranmission output shaft simply snapped off last week.

So I gotta pull it and tear it down.

The annoying thing is that I KNOW exactly where it broke
It's gonna be a progressive stress failure initiating from a keyway groove at the back of the trans just outboard of the
rear bearing retaining nut.

How do I know this? God Tells me things.
Actually the later variants of the transmission that keyway groove is cold formed into the shaft, not cut.
cuts by definition weaken anything they are cut into.
It's probably adding insult to injury that I'm running an engine 38% larger in displacement than the factory built my truck with or designed that transmission for....
(It's NOT the original transmission to the truck the original was weaker)

How do I know this? I make my living rebuilding that specific model transmission, I work on NOTHING else.

It's a good time to switch to the later close ratio trans, I just hate laying in the snow to fix the phucker.



AD

IU could drive to your house and shoot your truck. That might satisfy us both. I get to work out my loads. You obviate the need to fix it. If you have a half a tank of gas in it I can shot that last and it should set it off.

I suppose your neighbors would probably bitch though.

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Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:
How do I know this? God Tells me things.
AD

Tell me, does He have a british accent? I have always imagined him with a deep british accent...either that or the guy that spoke on the old NFL Films, either way.

woods
one of us


Posted 24 February 2009 05:50 Hide Post
I love winter! thumb This is my shooting season.

Summer sucks, it's so hot you can't shoot cause you sweat all over your guns and they never cool.

Spring it's hard to find a day that's not windy and Fall is hunting season.

Love winter.


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AMEN !. Desert Southwest you can't touch the barrel even if the Rifle hasn't been fired !!!.

SUMMER is a BUMMER , then I head North and the F ing Mosquitoes are near B 52 size !.

Underground Range in the next plan . Winter Spring Fall is all good for me Summer not to Bueno !.

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Originally posted by miles58:
IU could drive to your house and shoot your truck. That might satisfy us both. I get to work out my loads. You obviate the need to fix it. If you have a half a tank of gas in it I can shot that last and it should set it off.

I suppose your neighbors would probably bitch though.

I actually have a bit more than "half a tank of gas" in it...

Actually by my conservative calculations I have ~62gallons onboard.

MY truck has three tanks and that 62 gallons is with one of them completely empty.

I think shooting it would be an extreemly bad idea.

AD

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Posted 26 February 2009 03:23 Hide Post




I actually have a bit more than "half a tank of gas" in it...

Actually by my conservative calculations I have ~62gallons onboard.

MY truck has three tanks and that 62 gallons is with one of them completely empty.

I think shooting it would be an extreemly bad idea.

A couple months ago 62 gallons of gas was worth enough to buy a gun.

Probably you should move it a little away from the garage and house before the shooting starts.

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Originally posted by miles58:

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Posted 26 February 2009 03:23 Hide Post




I actually have a bit more than "half a tank of gas" in it...

Actually by my conservative calculations I have ~62gallons onboard.

MY truck has three tanks and that 62 gallons is with one of them completely empty.

I think shooting it would be an extreemly bad idea.

A couple months ago 62 gallons of gas was worth enough to buy a gun.

Probably you should move it a little away from the garage and house before the shooting starts.

what's really scary is that my little pickup truck holds another 20-some gallons

full load, topped up on all three tanks is a couple paper towels worth of gas short of 87USgallons

23 in the front tank, 22 in the back tank
and 40-42 in the "big" tank (depending on how agressively I want to top it up (and I tend to top up a bunch more agressively in cold weather)

The ultimate goal is to be able to go unrefueled from Stroudsburg PA to Casper, Wyoming (either direction) making stops
at all the Cabela's stores (during the round trip) within 50 miles of I-80 without buying fuel

An additional goal of mine it to visit all three Cabela's in Nebraska in a single pass.
So far I've made four attempts at it and come up one store short each time.

I don't think that's an unreasonable goal, but then again I'm as crazy as a loon so my judgement might be off



AD

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Originally posted by sako.:
I'll exchange 35c deg + for - 10 any day of the week

OK we'll do an exchange! Come on up!

Do you fuckers really want to know what sucks? I'll tell you: shooting a 286-10X (out of 300) at a frigid friggin CMP match and getting beat by a girl (292-8X) who's half you age. Quit bitching about the cold and go get beat by a girl! ARRRRRGH!

Miles,

I am on my second box of 80gr TTSX. As it stands now, my modern 70 supreme classic grade III (!SP?) with 24" tube has shot very good. Jury is not quite out though, but would bet nut on the trigger is too loose to be certain about gun. Three different times out of six loads I have shot under 2" at 400 yards with the 80gr TTSX with my 25-06. 3X + fired WW cases, Lee Collet neck sized with a washer...H4831 - 61GRNS with WW MAG primer (3620fps @ 3FT) and 62GRNS with CCIBR2 (3645FPS @ 3FT). The load with the WWMAG primer flattened the primer to the point you would notice it visually, but that primer seems to have a soft cup...or maybe it really is as hot as claimed? Not my go-to going forward! No other signs of excessive pressure though. I have shot both the CCIBR2 and CCIMAG primers in my rifle with other loads to the point where they would flatten a bit too much for comfort...... a couple of times out of five? (chrony backed that up with some higher than expected velocities) The CCIBR2 did not show any excessive flattening at 62GR of H4831 with the 80GR TTSX though, actually looked like it had room for a little more. Near compressed load though.

Think I am battling consistency issues with OAL and runout when it comes to accuracy though...both of the above loads performed, just not back to back....charge weights were all hand weighed and checked each time.

If you look hard at the 80GR TTSX, it would seem to have a very small bearing surface (huge boat-tail AND two big "cannelures" (SP?)) , smaller bearing surface than the 75GR VMAX to the point we might be able to drive it pretty fast?

FWIW,
Mark

Where's Gomer Gore when ya needs him???

If you don't like Minnesota's weather try moving to Manitoba for a winter. The last couple weeks have been terrible here. Temps in the -30 deg C (thats -20 to -25 deg F) with winds that pushed the windchills into the -40s and -50 for a couple days. We finally have a break in the weather and the temps are just below freezing, but there is freezing rain in the forecast. Just can't seem to win this winter.

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Originally posted by snowman:
If you don't like Minnesota's weather try moving to Manitoba for a winter. The last couple weeks have been terrible here. Temps in the -30 deg C (thats -20 to -25 deg F) with winds that pushed the windchills into the -40s and -50 for a couple days. We finally have a break in the weather and the temps are just below freezing, but there is freezing rain in the forecast. Just can't seem to win this winter.

She has been a miserable bi*ch of a winter this year up here in the Great White North, eh? I was curling in a speil last weekend, Sunday morning my car would barely even turn over, once it started it took 10 minutes for the brakes to work, steering was so stiff I could hardly turn the wheels! Can't hardly wait till spring!

Just returned from three days at the Oregon Coast, and I can tell you there is hope. We saw daffodils in bloom, camelias in bloom and bright pink cherry blossoms. We had bright blue skies, dark gray skies with sheets of rain sweeping in off the Pacific and a middle-of-the-night thunder shower with an inch of hail. So spring is coming, guys. Have faith.

I think it's going to be 90 degrees today.

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Originally posted by g5:
I think it's going to be 90 degrees today.

Yech...

T'was -3 degrees F here this morning, wind blowing 54 miles per hour, and we're in blizzard conditions; snowing like hell. The wind is so string the snow is blowing horizontal to terra firma..

Don

Agreeing that Manitoba is BRUTAL. I have a new .257 Weatherby sitting in it's box still, with a Burris scope likewise boxed up, waiting for some warmer weather to get out and do some shooting/break-in, but this is ridiculous. Not to mention the MWF rifle range is probably under a foot of snow anyways since the private place got bought up, so I have nowhere to shoot

OK,
So here it is, March 13 in da Yoop. Got up this morning and the thermometer said "0"... THERE WAS NO TEMPERATURE AT ALL!!!!
Now dat's cold!!!
Been feeding my "posse" (15-20 white tails) all winter and have gone through 2.5 tons of corn and I'm not done yet (the symmetry in this feeding cycle comes full cicrle this fall).
Pity the Troll's below the bridge, they aren't even supposed to do supplimental feeding.
For me, feeding and watching the deer all winter is almost as satisfying as watching a fire!!
I've been re-scoping, re-bluing and reloading all winter. I've got 4 new guns, 2 new stocks and 3 new barrels which I'm dying to try.
Fired one of my BP guns the other day, and the cloud of smoke CRYSTALLIZED in front of the barrel - made a neat impression in the snow when it fell!!!
We've burned so much fire wood up here that the Hiawatha National Forest is now called the Hiawatha Woodlot!!!
If it weren't for an indoor winter pistol league I'd go nuts and start gunning down snowmen!!!
We refer to the 4" of snow forecast for tomorrow as "partly cloudy".

AAAAARGH! Sorry... time for my meds.

Mike

Yep, I got up this AM at 5, looked out at the thermometer, and it said -6. Went to town at 9, and it was +3......