22-250 INMHO

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
22.250...

204 Ruger.... ( and that ain't dirt he is shoveling!)

I agree with Seafire. Seafire you should post your .223 load with the RL-7 and a 40g. Nosler BT, I'm still shooting that load and loving it.

I've been using my 223 to exchange with a 22-250 when the rockchuck shooting gets hot and fast. Works great!!!

LOL, I find it interesting that someone would dig up this old fossil of a thread from 1 1/2 years ago and respond to it. By the way, I still feel the same way about the 204 today as I did back then. Damn nice round.

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Originally posted by MThuntr:
I've decided that I want a new varmint rifle. The brand is going to be either a Savage or an upgraded Stevens, but not sure which caliber.

I have an Ar-15 already, but would like a good varmint bolt action now.

Which caliber would you suggest, 204 or 22-250, (I do reload) on the basis that it will be for varmints?

For fox sized animals and smaller, the 204Ruger offers everything the 22/250 does with less flash and blast. It is very effective out past 500 yards on prairie dogs and woodchucks with the 39-45gr bullets.

If you will also be shooting coyotes, go with a fast twist barrel (1:10 or faster) 22/250 and it can kill them past 600 yards on a clam day.

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Originally posted by TEANCUM:

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
22.250...

204 Ruger.... ( and that ain't dirt he is shoveling!)

I agree with Seafire. Seafire you should post your .223 load with the RL-7 and a 40g. Nosler BT, I'm still shooting that load and loving it.

I've been using my 223 to exchange with a 22-250 when the rockchuck shooting gets hot and fast. Works great!!!

TEANCUM,

Have you actually used a 204 for varmint hunting/shooting? I shoot the 223 and the 22-250 regularly on varmints along with the Swift, the Hornet, and the 17 Remington. I also have varmint loads for the 243 and 25-06 (to damn expensive, and too much power for my tastes) They’re all good rounds though.

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Originally posted by MickinColo:

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Originally posted by TEANCUM:

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
22.250...

204 Ruger.... ( and that ain't dirt he is shoveling!)

I agree with Seafire. Seafire you should post your .223 load with the RL-7 and a 40g. Nosler BT, I'm still shooting that load and loving it.

I've been using my 223 to exchange with a 22-250 when the rockchuck shooting gets hot and fast. Works great!!!

TEANCUM,

Have you actually used a 204 for varmint hunting/shooting? I shoot the 223 and the 22-250 regularly on varmints along with the Swift, the Hornet, and the 17 Remington. I also have varmint loads for the 243 and 25-06 (to damn expensive, and too much power for my tastes) They’re all good rounds though.

Yes, I've shot one of my buddies 204 when we were out shooting rockchucks last spring. I had brought my .223 and 22-250 along and didn't see anything that day, shooting them in the field, that would cause me to want a .204 when I shot his .204 next to my .223.

I'm getting 3925fps out of a 26" barrel with my .223 and the 40g Nosler BT's. That's higher velocity than most .223 loads and if anything I thought the .204 was just a whisper "less" than the .223 all around.

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Yes, I've shot one of my buddies 204 when we were out shooting rockchucks last spring. I had brought my .223 and 22-250 along and didn't see anything that day, shooting them in the field, that would cause me to want a .204 when I shot his .204 next to my .223.

I'm getting 3925fps out of a 26" barrel with my .223 and the 40g Nosler BT's. That's higher velocity than most .223 loads and if anything I thought the .204 was just a whisper "less" than the .223 all around.

I was just asking a question, and you answered it. Your opinion is based on your experience and not someone else’s. I respect that.

Your 223 load may or may not be a little hot but I don’t find it unreasonable. What kind of groups do you get with it?

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Originally posted by MickinColo:

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Yes, I've shot one of my buddies 204 when we were out shooting rockchucks last spring. I had brought my .223 and 22-250 along and didn't see anything that day, shooting them in the field, that would cause me to want a .204 when I shot his .204 next to my .223.

I'm getting 3925fps out of a 26" barrel with my .223 and the 40g Nosler BT's. That's higher velocity than most .223 loads and if anything I thought the .204 was just a whisper "less" than the .223 all around.

I was just asking a question, and you answered it. Your opinion is based on your experience and not someone else’s. I respect that.

Your 223 load may or may not be a little hot but I don’t find it unreasonable. What kind of groups do you get with it?

What's reasonable is really a function of the rifle's ability to handle the pressure that the load generates. I have found that the load needed to be adjusted downward 1 grain in a different rifle with the same length barrel. Surprisingly enough the velocity out of the two rifles was almost identical due to the specific measurements of the rifles being different.

Accuracy is a little better than ok at around .6-.9 inch groups. I put a suppressor on my .223 and found that the weight on the end has the groups now more in the .6-.8 where before the suppressor they were in the .7-.9 range.

204 whats that ??????
22-250 will out do the new upstart any day

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Originally posted by lennyzrx:
I like'em both, though I have a soft spot for the 22-250. I think the 22-250 is easier to load for, with alot of bullets/powders giving acceptable accuracy.

I find the 204 a little tempermental, a little more work. Maybe I just have hard to please 204's. my 204's 2- Sav. FV's, 1 Ruger light weight, 1 Howa sporter. None of the 4 like the same load

Well this is interesting, you are the first person that I have heard of that has found loads for the 204 ruger tempermental.FS

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What's reasonable is really a function of the rifle's ability to handle the pressure that the load generates. I have found that the load needed to be adjusted downward 1 grain in a different rifle with the same length barrel. Surprisingly enough the velocity out of the two rifles was almost identical due to the specific measurements of the rifles being different.

I have the same experience with two 25-06s and three different 7mm Rem Mags, same barrel lengths, same bullets and powders, similar Muzzle velocities, similar performance at 100 yards, different charge weights.

The reason I asked about your groups was because I assume that you’re using Seafire's RL-7 load and was curious. If so, how does it stack up against other powders you have tried?

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Originally posted by MickinColo:

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What's reasonable is really a function of the rifle's ability to handle the pressure that the load generates. I have found that the load needed to be adjusted downward 1 grain in a different rifle with the same length barrel. Surprisingly enough the velocity out of the two rifles was almost identical due to the specific measurements of the rifles being different.

I have the same experience with two 25-06s and three different 7mm Rem Mags, same barrel lengths, same bullets and powders, similar Muzzle velocities, similar performance at 100 yards, different charge weights.

The reason I asked about your groups was because I assume that you’re using Seafire's RL-7 load and was curious. If so, how does it stack up against other powders you have tried?

I tried Varget first in the 223 and was not able to get the velocity and accuracy that I wanted from that shooter. I came across Seafire's RL-7 load recommendation, that was several grains above max book, and found it to be the ticket for velocity and accuracy.

I talk to my gunsmith, George Vais the inventor of the Vais muzzle brake, about the accuracy of the Remington 700 that is my .223 and his recommendation was that the stock was probably the limiting factor as it has some flex in it. His recommendation was to go with a laminated stock from Boyd's that we could glass bed the action and float the barrel. His estimation is that it would bring the accuracy down to what I would like, somewhere around the .5's.

Thanks for the info TEANCUM, good luck with that rifle.