Im looking at a winchester lever action in 22 mag. (model94) It is suppose to be a pre 64. Does this add value to it like the model 70s? where can I look up the serial number to find the production year? what would be an average price for this gun?

I don't believe the M94 was ever made in 22 rimfire. Winchester offered a different rifle, patterned after the M94 centerfire, called the M9422. But it was not introduced until 1972. Very nice rifles. Check Gunbroker.ocm for prices.

Click below to see what the M9422 looks like:

http://media.winchesterguns.co...9417and9422_om_s.pdf

What olarmy said.

The Winchester 9422 was a well-made gun and brings a strong price in the used market. They made a "plain" and a "deluxe" version. IIRC, the difference is primarily that the deluxe has a checkered stock. I owned a deluxe many years ago and took a couple of turkeys with it, but when I came by a Kimber 82 in .22 WMR I sold the M9422. The Winchester shot reasonable groups, but the Kimber was significanlty more accurate.

No such thing as a "pre-64" in this gun. The seller is likely misinformed and simply repeating something erroneous he was told. Otherwise, he intends to misinform you in hopes of getting more money. Either way, he is undeserving of a premium price on the piece.

This should be on the Rim Fire Rifle and Pistol foruum

Check the GUNSINTERNATIONAL website. Listing Number 100169235--M9422 in 22 Win Mag NIB for $1450.

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Originally posted by Fat_Albert:
This should be on the Rim Fire Rifle and Pistol foruum

Says who?

I have no problem with people discussing rimfires on this forum. It's a small bore forum, it has never been restricted to centerfires. This forum gets more traffic than the rimfire forum, so why not discuss rimfire rifles?

I find few things more petty then the net nannies telling people where they should post.

You know, I've never found the .22 WMR to be a very useful cartridge in rifles. Accuracy is not that great and it's more expensive to shoot than reloading your own .22 Hornet ammo.

But I DO like it in the Ruger Single Six type .22LR/.22 Mag convertables. In this type of pistol you can use .22LR most of the time and use the .22WMR if you need a little more smack.

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Originally posted by DaMan:
You know, I've never found the .22 WMR to be a very useful cartridge in rifles. Accuracy is not that great and it's more expensive to shoot than reloading your own .22 Hornet ammo.

Oh contrare old ARPDF baffoon!!!!! If you had purchased a quality gun then you would know that the .22 WMR can shoot to at least 100 yards with near MOA accuracy and is good enough for a lot of small game such as fox, bobcats, raccoon, and a host of others including turkeys where a rifle is permitted.....as a matter of fact it's a great turkey rifle!

While the 20 cents is a tad much, it's not all that bad unless one wants to treat it like a long rifle and shoot a few hundred rounds in an outing just for fun.

It's a fine hunting round.....treat it that way and enjoy it!

Well Vapo:

When someone can't shoot worth a darn, blaming it on the cartridge or the scope is a common place to start blaming for their own inefficiencies...

my 22 Mags shoot just fine..

the Ruger 77/22, the Marlin 25 MN and the NEF break open single shot..

if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck... you know the rest...applies to Scottie here..

The 9422 was made in 22rf, 22wmr and 17 hmr(9417). It was not made in a pre64 version. It came out in the early 70's. There were two versions, the XTR is the fancier version. Winchester serial numbers numbers usually can get you to the date of manufacture. Here is a thread on another forum for DOM/serialnumber for the 9422 production

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/...wthread.php?t=115110.

They are well made, nice guns and have some collector value especially if NIB with all the papers. Value is based on contition. If it's been used, you need two people who want one to get the value up. You can check on Gunbroker and see what they have been selling for recently. They work well and shoot well. They make a nice hunting rifle.
Bfly

FYI....Dirk Lawyer has one for sale in the Classidied section.

Yup, a good 22 Mag can be scary accurate. Try an Anschutz and you'll be amazed. Sadly I don't think its imported right now but used ones can be found.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
[Oh contrare old ARPDF baffoon!!!!! If you had purchased a quality gun then you would know that the .22 WMR can shoot to at least 100 yards with near MOA accuracy ....

"Near MOA accuracy"......The Hornet can do MUCH better than that!

I guess some folks just have lower expectations on what they consider "accurate".

So who here thinks that the .22WMR is a more accurate cartridge than the Hornet?

PS - Why don't you guys save your childish insults for the ARPF and not sully the "technical" forums?

or you can take a 223 and load it anywhere from 22 Short Specs, right on up to 223 full power loads...

so why mess with a Hornet that is know for even worse accuracy problems than the 22 Mag?

The point is, that rimfires serve a purpose to many folks..they don't have to handload them..

Myself, I'd rather handload them..

however the Hornet case, I see better served with lighter caliber bullets...
blown out to a K Hornet style, with 17, 19 or 20 caliber bullets, you have something worthwhile with that case..

otherwise if I want 22 Hornet performance, I'd throttle the 223 down.. which I frequently do, actually closer to 218 Bee specs..

My answer would be, to each his own. My Sako Quad with good ammo will shoot 3/4" groups at 100 yds. My 22 hornet with 13.2 grains of Lil Gun and a 40 grain v max at 2900 is quite accurate and will ruin a p/dogs day. As I shoot the Hornet, .222 and .223, just in the .22's, I enjoy alot of redundancy in my varmint guns!

Let's see, the OP asked

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Originally posted by mulesteve:
Im looking at a winchester lever action in 22 mag. (model94) It is suppose to be a pre 64. Does this add value to it like the model 70s? where can I look up the serial number to find the production year? what would be an average price for this gun?

Unless I misread, I don't think the original poster or the others that responded to his question had anything to say about accuracy of the 22WMR vs. the 22 hornet.

As usual DaCulero, injects himself into a thread in order to stir up controversy.

"You know, I've never found the .22 WMR to be a very useful cartridge in rifles. Accuracy is not that great and it's more expensive to shoot than reloading your own .22 Hornet ammo."

and

"Near MOA accuracy"......The Hornet can do MUCH better than that!

I guess some folks just have lower expectations on what they consider "accurate".

So who here thinks that the .22WMR is a more accurate cartridge than the Hornet?

DaCulero, stirring shit is your Raison d'être in the "crater". If you had something worthwhile to offer, even I would not comment, but such is not the case. Why not confine your jism to the ARPF.

GWB

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
so why mess with a Hornet that is know for every worse accuracy problems than the 22 Mag?

Huh?!!!

Thanks Scottie L.... for bringing that to my attention..

Edit oversight on my part..

correct it for ya..

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
Thanks Scottie L.... for bringing that to my attention..

Edit oversight on my part..

correct it for ya..

I wasn't questioning your grammar or spelling.... I was questioning your claim that the Hornet has "accuracy problems"!

Never owned one.. basically because everyone else I saw that owned them, were making them readily available because they didn't shoot worth a crap...

had the opportunity to own several dozen of them...but about any other 22 caliber round I have seen will shoot circles around the average Hornet..

the K Hornet seems to be better, but not worth the work...CZs may be an exception...

the case however I see as better served with a 17 to 20 caliber bullet on it...

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CZs may be an exception...

Exactly! The Ruger in 22 Hornet has a reputation for inaccuracy, but that is the rifle and not the round.
I agree that the Hornet (in any rifle other than the Ruger) should be more accurate than the 22mag at 100 and beyond. You can see my targets on the Rim Fire forum where I tested about 10 different types of 22 mag ammo. The best produced outstanding groups at 50 yards but they really opened up at 100. For those folks who say that the 22 amg is a 100 yard round, please show us some targets! Even with the Anschutz, it is NOT a 100 yard round. Why? Because it is the ammo and not the rifle that is at fault.
Peter.

I've had seeveral 22mags that were very accurate to 100 yards so long as the wind didn't blow. The groups opened up in a hurry with even a modest wind though.

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Originally posted by DaMan:

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Originally posted by vapodog:
[Oh contrare old ARPDF baffoon!!!!! If you had purchased a quality gun then you would know that the .22 WMR can shoot to at least 100 yards with near MOA accuracy ....

"Near MOA accuracy"......The Hornet can do MUCH better than that!

I guess some folks just have lower expectations on what they consider "accurate".

So who here thinks that the .22WMR is a more accurate cartridge than the Hornet?

PS - Why don't you guys save your childish insults for the ARPF and not sully the "technical" forums?

OK, Years ago I bought an A-bolt .22 mag. I was really questioning the purchase till I mounted a scope and shot it. W/ CCI maxi mag HP's it does shoot .75" groups at 100 yards all day long. I live in S. NH and we can't use centerfire rifles here, so a good .22 WMR is worth its' weight in gold for shooting vermin. When I head north, my CZ527 in .223 fits the bill. I was looking at a Stevens 322? in .22 Hornet, but I really had no use for it. Bottom rifle.

As far as accuracy with a 22 Mag, I have done this with my Marlins and My Ruger 77 22.

Set up targets that are a black outline of a Prairie Dog, and place them at 200 yds..

With a scope set on 6 power, and the rifle zeroed at 100 yds...with CCI 40 grain HPs or FMJs, for each 25 yds, up your elevation 2 inches..

but even at 200 yds, with 8 inches elevation on a target turret, 90 % + hits where inside the outline of the prairie dog silohuette...

so a benchrest round at 200 yds NO..

but if you know what you are doing, it is plenty accurate enough to be minute of prairie dog at 200 yds....

now take a Hornet and try an old load from the early to mid 80s Alliant Manuals... 6.5 grains of Blue Dot and a 40 grain V Max or similar bullet, and you have a Minute of Prairie Dog round out to 200 yds..+...

even out of a Ruger 77/22 in 22 Hornet..

I am sure Scottie was clueless on that..

My shooting is somewhat limited. But I have shot an Annie 1710 MG 22 LR, Kimber of Oregon Mdl 82 22 WMR , Kimber of Oregon Mdl 82 22 Hornet , Rem 700 221 Fireball,Browning Var 223 and Howa 1500 Var 223 and Sako 222 . Most all of my shooting has ben limited to prairie dogs which I first started in 1949 with a 22 LR RF. First the 22 WMR has ben a fine round for me and now there is a selection of different bullets for the 22 WMR. I shot plenty of prairie dogs and a few big jackrabbits with the 22 WMR rifle. But since getting Cooper 57 M LVT 17 HM2 and 17 HMR the 22 rimfire rifles stay at home when going after p dogs. I started reloading ammo in 1953 and over the years have reloaded 19 different rifle rounds. The long tapered thin walled rimmed base 22 Hornet is the bastard of the bunch. A good move up from the 22 WMR is to the moderen 22 Fireball round but I do like my 17 Fireball a bit better for p dogs.

semi auto .22mag, look at volquartzen rifles awesome quality in a 10-22 like package, but with a stainless reciever and much better tolerances....... My volquartzen will shoot into less than an inch at a 100 yards all day.. depending on amo sometimes a lot less but might be a fluke...