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| Going wildly off topic, but now I wonder what the equilibrium balance is between say mountain lions and mule deer, if they are the primary predator/prey respectively. Heck, I wonder if there are even any decent math models for that. I know there are all sorts of models for population growth in various situations based on food availability, ISTR there's a classic "herd on an island" math problem that looks at population cycles. But cats breed so slowly and are hard to track, I wonder if an adult cat averages one deer a week or a month, plus supplementals like rabbits.
Yeah, gotta be careful drinking fluids and surfing the web at the same time, unless you've got a waterproof keyboard. |
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| Heck I was thinking 'the tea party' revolution....you know, gov't not 'for the people' |
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| I have taken a lot of stuff with my 250 Sav. Of courrse mine is the "imp" one but, be as it may, it`s still a 250 Sav. I have used ONLY the old Nosler Solid Base bullets and the kils are clean, one shot and sometimes long. I get 3100 +- out of its little 22" barrel and have taked Deer, Elk, a few Mouflon and Feral sheep along the way as well as the deer here in Or. No bears [black] but then never tried. I have more or less used 1000 lb of energy at impact point as a benchmark and this cartridge does it nicely. I love my 6.5s but find it hard not to pick up the little "Toy" for the usual hunting. Aloha, Mark
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| Just curious what weight those SB bullets are? 100? 115 or 120? Thanks Bohica. |
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| A 250 Savage with any 100 grain bullet intended for hunting will make clean kills at 300 yards with ease. Paper ballistics are great for comparrisons, but real use in the field is where it counts. My 250 Savage has harvested over 50 whitetails at ranges from 25-450 yards and the only time a second shot was needed is when the first one wasn't properly placed and none of the deer shot beyond 300 needed a second shot. I think a person is a little more concerned on placement with the longer shots and doesn't shoot until the perfect shot is presented, where at 50 yards the excitement might lead to some "miss placed intentions". |
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| Agreed/well said. The 250 really gives up little to none in the field vs a 243 if like loads are used. The larger diameter bullet in such small bores should be a benefit on large game for these rounds, i.e. deer.
My theory based on what I observe, a larger bullet transmits a wider shock wave, all else equal, which puts game down quicker often. Sometimes SD suffers, but not drastically if not drastic changes in diameter w/o increasing bullet wt. drastically. |
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| Duane, that's for the feedback. That's kinda what I expected from the .250, before I ran into the "250 yard" proviso. Its hard to buy the assertion that a 100 grain bullet in the .250 is that much worse than 100 grains from a .243. And a 110-120 grain pill ought to be more better, more momentum and higher BC.
One of the reasons why the .257 bore is so interesting to me is that there are many good deer bullets in the 100-120 grain range, plus many cheap HPs from 75-87 grains for target practice. I know going to 120 grains gives up MV but I would think a 120 grain Partition impacting at 1900 fps or better should do everything that needs doing. |
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| I know a heavier bullet would hit harder and fly flat enough, just want to make sure you are getting expansion whatever you use.
Hey, it also uses little powder and barrel life should be longer than you ever see.
If the 250 had been made an AI or so when introduced, it might be more popular. In reality, in standard case, it is still effective. It does however become one of the most 'enhanced in performance' improved cases should you care to wildcat. |
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| My 257DGR ends a 100gr bullet down range about 200-250fps faster than my 250 Sav. I have a couple of loads I shoot in my 250 that are in the 3000-3050 fps range with excellent brass life. My 250AI with a 24" barrel is 100-125 fps faster than the standard 250 Sav. I have shot deer with everything but about 3 of the premium 115- 120gr 25 caliber bullets. Between the 3 rifles 7 deer were shot this past season, and the only disappointment was a 120gr premium long range bullet that missed the spine and only left a 25 caliber hole through the diaphram. We eventually recovered the deer, but I am firmly convinced had I used a 100gr Nosler BT I would have found the buck the first day. It would have left a much larger exit hole. I love my 25's and am building 3 more 257DGR's for next season. |
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| quote: Originally posted by DuaneinND:
My 257DGR ends a 100gr bullet down range about 200-250fps faster than my 250 Sav. I have a couple of loads I shoot in my 250 that are in the 3000-3050 fps range with excellent brass life. My 250AI with a 24" barrel is 100-125 fps faster than the standard 250 Sav. I have shot deer with everything but about 3 of the premium 115- 120gr 25 caliber bullets. Between the 3 rifles 7 deer were shot this past season, and the only disappointment was a 120gr premium long range bullet that missed the spine and only left a 25 caliber hole through the diaphram. We eventually recovered the deer, but I am firmly convinced had I used a 100gr Nosler BT I would have found the buck the first day. It would have left a much larger exit hole. I love my 25's and am building 3 more 257DGR's for next season.
I myself have not taken game with 25's, but have owned an '06 version. I get two take aways here, a 100 Ballistic Tip is a good all around 25 bullet in moderate sized cases. Two, the DGR version which I think is the 308 case, is a better way to go perhaps, or as good as the AI version. Thanks for the insight. |
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