Just wondered if anyone has built a target rifle using the Swede. Different twist than normal, possibly. Might be between the 260 Rem and the 6.5-284

Thanks

Pure sacrilege! Why not get a CG63 or 80? 1:9.5 can handle the heaviest match or hunting rounds.
Before the .22lr was used for the Biathlon in the Olympics, the 6.5x55 reigned supreme. Gotta say something! Kim De Tout called the M41b the last of the true 800 yard man killers, old style. Your asking to reinvent the wheel!
I have 4 6.5x55 rifles. The M41b w/ irons would blow your mind.

6.5x55 would be a great cartridge for mid-range prone at 600yd. With a 30" barrel it would be good for 1000yd.

At 1 time, Remington offered the 40x in 6.5x55.

The Swedish National Match rifle occasionally show up on GB. I bought 1 in 1998 that has been a good shooter. It is a long rifle, 29" barrel, and has an add-on pistol grip, peep sight, and target front sight.

JEff

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Originally posted by 260remguy:
At 1 time, Remington offered the 40x in 6.5x55.

The Swedish National Match rifle occasionally show up on GB. I bought 1 in 1998 that has been a good shooter. It is a long rifle, 29" barrel, and has an add-on pistol grip, peep sight, and target front sight.JEff

Just a minor club rifle. Great rifle, but not national match. Great guy for a target gun, not "match"
Check the bottom of the page.
http://harmonia.meccahosting.c...result.php?PageId=59

Perhaps I mis-spoke, my rifle came with a document written in Swedish, with an english translation, that calls it the Swedish version of our 1903 Springfield National Match rifle.

Mine is more like the 2nd rifle pictured, but has the Elite peep sight and a longer from sight with multiple inserts.

Jeff

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Originally posted by 260remguy:
Perhaps I mis-spoke, my rifle came with a document written in Swedish, with an english translation, that calls it the Swedish version of our 1903 Springfield National Match rifle.

Mine is more like the 2nd rifle pictured, but has the Elite peep sight and a longer from sight with multiple inserts. Worth up to $1200.00 these days.

Jeff

An Elite is a great diopter sight. The front sight cost more and is not that common, you have a nice rifle. One of those is on my wish list!

Club rifles in Sweden have to conform to standards, you have the paperwork that shows your rifle meets or exceeds the standard for a certain class. Post some pics sometime!

Just built one....described in earlier post..
but here's what I got..

Savage Target action...Pac Nor 28" 8 twist no taper heavy bbl (9#)....Choate Varminter stock..currently wears a Millett 4-16x50 Tactical scope in Burris Signature rings and bases...+10 inserts in rear bottom ring....-10 in front bottom ring..weighs in @ 18# and a joy to shoot...the short action is no problem for the longer Swede case..even with 142's...Savage Target Accue trigger breaks at 12 oz...really nice...still working on loads...but I am sure it will shoot very well...longest confirmed/Leica ranged p/dog kill is 775 yds with Varget & 107 SMKs..I may upgrade glass to my new Vortex PST 6-24x50..but it never arrived before I assembled this rifle with the Millett Tact (built by Bushnell)..I waited 18 months to receive the Vortex PST...I did mount it on my heavy Savage/Pac Nor 223 AI to test...

Nothing like a 6.5x55......

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107 SMKs

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Nothing like a 6.5x55......

6mm?

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Originally posted by Reverend Recoil:
6.5x55 would be a great cartridge for mid-range prone at 600yd. With a 30" barrel it would be good for 1000yd.

99% of the Norwegian(and Swedish) Shooting Association uses Sauer 200 STR rifles chambered for the 6,5x55 cartr. Competition ranges go all the way up to 600 meters.
No other cartr has such a reputation for accuracy and shootability as the 6,5 here in Scandinavia.

M

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Originally posted by rcamuglia:

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107 SMKs

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Nothing like a 6.5x55......

6mm?

Hmmm, No!

I have a 6mm Rem on a long Action model 700... with a one in 7 twist...

with 115 grain Bergers in Particular, I wouldn't discount it at all...

115 gr Bergers at 3250 fps MV from a 24 inch Target Barrel, is a pretty flat shooter out to 1000 yds..

can a 6.5x55 fit a 788- I have two, one a receiver that was trued, originally a 6mm, the other a .308 .

The 788 if used a repeater the Swede case will be too long...especially OAL with the long 140s

My Savage on the target short action is a solid bottom single shot...6.5x55 OAL @ 2.975" even with 142 SMKs is no issue....no I do not eject live ammo....once in the chamber its goin' downrange at something..usually a p/dog...

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Originally posted by metric:

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Originally posted by Reverend Recoil:
6.5x55 would be a great cartridge for mid-range prone at 600yd. With a 30" barrel it would be good for 1000yd.

99% of the Norwegian(and Swedish) Shooting Association uses Sauer 200 STR rifles chambered for the 6,5x55 cartr. Competition ranges go all the way up to 600 meters.
No other cartr has such a reputation for accuracy and shootability as the 6,5 here in Scandinavia.

M

Oh, but you'll never win anything with one of those - they have hammer forged barrels!

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Originally posted by armed_in_utah:
The 788 if used a repeater the Swede case will be too long...especially OAL with the long 140s

My Savage on the target short action is a solid bottom single shot...6.5x55 OAL @ 2.975" even with 142 SMKs is no issue....no I do not eject live ammo....once in the chamber its goin' downrange at something..usually a p/dog...

thanks

Thanks. I had just picked up a Ruger #1 in 6.5x55 and was impressed with the performance.

Was thinking about some saying that the 260 Rem was a bit underpowered and though about the Swede, with its longer case.

Have a 260 Rem Savage single shot coming in soon and was going to see what it would do, but had also thought about re-chambering to the Swede.

Thanks

armed_in_utah...

I too have a Savage single shot target action that, at present, is a 300 H&H mag. It ejects fired cases fine but, of course, not an unfired round. I'm considering putting a 6.5x55 barrel on it. Do you happen to know if the standard Savage .473" bolt face will accept the slightly larger 6.5x55 case head? I have the .473" bolt head but no 6.5x55 cartridge to check the fit.

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Originally posted by Jpat:

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Originally posted by rcamuglia:

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107 SMKs

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Nothing like a 6.5x55......

6mm?

Hmmm, No!

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Why shoot a 107 grain 6.5mm bullet in a target gun? It's like a barn door!

The 107 has a BC of barely over .4. The 142 has a BC of almost .6.


You're obviously not shooting at LR in any wind.

Built a 6.5x55 on a Mod 70 long action. The way to go! NO worries about OAL and long throat and mag size. The old (270Win) bolt face was a weee bit snug and peeled a brass whisker off the casing until I used a jewelers file and tamed the super sharp bolt face edge a little bit and now is fine. You're right though...it's not exactly the right size...a few thousanths tight.
Go for it. Build it. Be prepared to forsake all your other rifles since you won't need them any more. You will love it. Period.

I regularly shoot out to 1000 yds with my stock std 20" T3 and the 6.5x55 is superb. With 140SMK's I'm only needing 35moa against the target 308 gang who regularly need 37.5 to 40.
For a long in tooth calibre, it's the muts.

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armed_in_utah...

I too have a Savage single shot target action that, at present, is a 300 H&H mag. It ejects fired cases fine but, of course, not an unfired round. I'm considering putting a 6.5x55 barrel on it. Do you happen to know if the standard Savage .473" bolt face will accept the slightly larger 6.5x55 case head? I have the .473" bolt head but no 6.5x55 cartridge to check the fit.

The std 308 bolt face is what I used on my Swede project....not a problem at all..I did also remove (as always) the ejector pin prior to setting barrel up...saves you looking for Lapua brass in the dirt...remember domestic 6.5x55 brass head size is smaller than Lapua/Norma

As far as the 6.5 107 SMKs ? I have a very ample supply of these..of course I know the BC difference between 142 SMK's & Berger 140 VLD's and 107 SMK's..The rifle was set up mainly with the heavy 140/142s in mind...this is not my first 6.5mm target rifle.....actually my third...

built a 6.5x55 on a savage long action, used a 28" pacnor 3 groove, 1-8" twist, very accurate, easy 1/2" gun, best groups have been in the low .2's, very good velocity, 3100+ with 120's and 2880-2997 with 140's

I have a Blaser R93, 6.5x55 Semi Weight Professional set up for long range shooting. I leave in my recoil reducer for added weight. Topped with a NF 3.5-15 FFP scope makes it a great longer range rig.

Using 130 gr Berger VLD bullets and VV N560 powder this thing is scary accurate getting .4" 5 shot groups at 100 yards when I do my part.

Two of us are set up with the same rig and it is a bunch of fun on targets to 600 yards. There is so little recoil and fast cycling that we have even more fun shooting one on one with other shooters on short timed drills.

Next, I'm adding a 6.5x284 Match barrel to this rig for some more fun at longer ranges. The 6.5 does tend to struggle at 1000 to 1200.....

You can't fault this round for any use really. It's ballistics are what the .260 would like to be once it grows up, and barrel life kicks the 6.5x284's butt while not giving up that much in velocity.

I currently use the 6.5x55 in F-Class competition. Mine is built on a Remington 700 (which is about the only thing I'd change if I were building it today) and has a 30" Pac-Nor barrel, 1 in 8 twist as there's no need to change twist rates since the Swedes got it right 116 or so years ago. The only limiting factor in it's performance out to 1,000 yards is me.

In addition when I started shooting Highpower years ago I bought one of the target model Swedes from Samco since it was the least expensive way for me to get started. Changed the stock to one that fit me and shot it for years. Still do shoot it at times for the sheer fun of it. Major issue I had was the long bolt throw for rapid fire stages and would have liked a better rear sight than the Soderin it came with.

Eric

Case capacity of Winchester/Olin brass:

260 = 54 grains of H20 when filled
(using reformed 243 cases)

6.5x55 = 56 grains of H2O when filled

2 grains is between 3% and 4%, so given the 4% increase in case capacity for each 1% gain in velocity rule of thumb, the difference in speed potential of these 2 cartridges would be about 10 fps per every 1000 fps of velocity.

Jeff

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to comment, it's fun to tweak the 260 folks, all in good humor of course. What you say is true enough until you take into account the depth of bullet into your case, especially if you want to run the heavy VLD's. Yes, you can load the .260 with heavies, and if your mag and throat are set for that long length it will approach the Swede, however loaded to modern pressures in a modern rifle superior case capacity wins.

I am not knocking anyone's choice, and had Remington decided to put a decent length neck on the 260 I may have been tempted to chamber for the understudy rather than the Swede. I have recommended it for people I know looking to whack Bambi. My personal choice went on availability of great factory brass: Lapua, larger case capacity, and no issues with mag length seating of bullets regardless of bullet weight. Over time the major vice I found with mine shooting the full house long range loads is that the cases grew more than I'd like and required more frequent trimming but I still got a satisfactory nimber of loads per case.

Eric