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Pros and Cons of Cooper 21??
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I am planning on ordering my first Cooper. Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of shooting Coopers.

I am ordering a Model 21 Classic in 223.

Thanks for the help.


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Just got back from the range shooting my Montana Varmintor... early to duck the heat!

Mine is a .243 Ackley and it shoots extremely well but, is very picky about what it gets fed.

Cooper's as a rule are about as nice a rifle as you could hope to own, and are very well fitted. I particularily like the 60 degree bolt lift, and the single shot action.

Cooper's are never a mistake!






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They are a tad light for true accuracy work - to me they are more like walking varminters. The triggers are OK, but not as good as the best after market triggers. Sadly, you can't buy a Jewell, say, for a Cooper.

After I bought my M21 (.22 PPC), I bought several Sako A1, single shot, target trigger models. I prefer the Sakos.

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I've had a Model 21 Varminter in .223 for a few years that is an great shooter. It shoots several flavors of 50 and 52-grain bullets quite well. The Coopers are an excellent deal for the price.

If you buy one, call Cooper and get their recommendations for a starting load.

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I've had a M21 in 17MK4 and a M23 in 17Ack Hornet for about 6 years. Fantastic rifles! I highly reccomend them.
 
Posts: 460 | Location: Auburn CA. | Registered: 25 March 2007Reply With Quote
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Its a matter of opinion...like Ford versus Chevy.
But I think they are awesome! Made in the USA! Not assembled but made! Gauranteed accuracy...and they back it up. There isn't another manufacturer that you can pick up the phone, call and talk to the shop foreman or manager. They will walk you through loads, trigger issues ...etc..or send it back and they will make it work! I don't think there is another rifle out there that is as pretty. Annies, Sako, Weatherby....nope,not as pretty!!!
The only complaint is they don't offer a 4 or 5 shot magazine in the small clibers....Yet! JMHO
 
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I have three of them. The only complaint is when you miss, you can't blame it on the rifle.
 
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I own a baker's dozen of them, there are no cons.
 
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Expense because you end up buying more than one. My .221 is scarey accurate with factory loads.
 
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Bought a Cooper 21 in 204 ruger and I am very disappointed with it

The length of pull is only 13 inches I am only 178 cm and I just cannot get comfortable with it. Called Cooper and was told that thousands of shooters are happy with it and I should get a life..........

Unbelievable

so I start shopping for an aftermarket stock and guess what nobody makes one at all for the inlet

So called bell and carlson since they are OEM for COOper and they cannot discuss anything with me since they are contracted not to do so.......

So back to my gunsmith to put those unsightly extensions on them not a happy bunny..........

accuracy wise not consistant at all yes sometimes 0.5 moa but not more than 03 shots once barrel warmed up forget it.


sorry may be I am the only one in the world everybody tells me,..
 
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Wow.. sorry to hear your not happy. I am 182 cm if I converted right Smiler They fit me fine! I have 12 Coopers and have only had a couple that weren't shooting as good as I felt they should. Did some tweaking and tightening ...changed loads and they came around.
I have made 50+ calls to Cooper in the last several years and I don't mean to doubt you but don't believe any one at Cooper would have said get a life!
 
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I have one also and love it. I just got back from a Wyoming prarie dog shoot and can't imaging making the trip without mine. If you get the crosshairs close to a prarie dog it is dead. A death ray.
 
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My Cooper Montana Varminter in .223 cal is a tackdriver, consistently shooting 5-round groups under .500 inches (several under .300 inches) at 100 yards with my handloaded ammunition.

It's a fairly light weight rifle, good for carrying around. The size and weight are compromises - heavier than a lightweight sporter rifle and lighter than a heavyweight varminter or benchrest rifle. I don't really have a feel for how well it would do in a prolonged sustained-fire shooting situation, since the highest number of rounds that I have shot in one session is about 50 rounds.

My best groups have been with hand-loaded 50-gr Sierra Blitz Kings and 52-gr Match Kings over 25.5 grains of Benchmark powder, seated .015" off the lands. If I recall correctly, the velocities were in the 3300 fps range. Others have reported good results with 40-grain bullets, but I have no experience with those.

I think that the barrel twist is 1 in 14, so this rifle is really designed for the lighter weight bullets (up to about 55 grains) at higher velocities.

It's a great-looking rifle with a nicely-finished walnut stock. I have been very satisfied.
 
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