I have decided to get the Sendero SF II in a 300 Win Mag.Doanyone have or know anything about them?Also how would loaded with 150 to 165 grain Nosler Partition or Swift Sciroccos
work for deer Id appreciate any feedback Thank you all for your help

Great rifle and great choice. 165 Accubonds and RL-25 would be my recommendation. Good optics, proper bedding although it has the aluminum block, and good optics will be your key to success.

thank you I was considering the Partition or Scirocco I have'nt used accubonds how are they
How do you think a 150 grain Partition would be on deer at about 3200 fps

A 150 Partition on deer with an initial velocity of 3200 ft/secs will be more than adequate for the game you seek.

Most 150s at 3200fps out to 250 yds will put a hole in a deer you can shove a 3 pound coffee can into. Partitions are excellent bullets but the front end is very soft. My suggestion is to shoot the bullet proves to be the most accurate in your rifle at whatever speed that ends up being. When taking deer sized animals, premium high dollar bullets in most cases are no more than marketing gimmicks. When shooting elk and moose where added penetration is needed that may be different. If Remington CoreLokts are the most accurate, so be it.

am just wanting something that wont destroy to much meat.Id like the 150 grain for trajectory

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Originally posted by speed_kills:

How do you think a 150 grain Partition would be on deer at about 3200 fps

Hey speed

Can't say I think much of the 150 gr bullet at 3200 fps in the 300 win mag. Let's do some comparison with the bullet and load I normally use for 7 different 300 win mags I reload for (200 yd zero):

bullet / bullet weight / velocity / 300 yd drop-fpe / 400 yd drop-fpe / 500 yd drop-fpe / 500 yd wind drift in 10 mph crosswind

Nosler Patition / 150 / 3200 fps / 5.97"-2081 fpe / 17.44"-1745 fpe / 35.69"-1453 fpe / 19.80"
Nosler Accubond / 200 / 2950 fps / 6.40"-2780 fpe / 18.33"-2477 fpe / 36.65"-2202 fpe / 13.60"

As you can see the 200 grain bullet outperforms the 150 gr by a large margin. Especially the energy and wind drift which is over 6" less at 500 yards. Not to mention that the 1 in 10 twist is appropriate for the 180 to 200 gr bullets and the 150 would have problems with overstabiliztion and seating depth. Not to mention that the sectional density of the 150 gr 30 caliber bullet is pitiful.

Hate to spoil your fun but your name "speed-kills" is not exactly correct either. Penetration and size of wound channel is what really kills and typical bullets are made to operate correctly at a MV of 2000 to 3000 fps. Do a search or surf some more and you will find many many stories of small high velocity bullets not operating correctly or failing.

Look at this chart from rathcoombes study



higher velocity can decrease penetration

Now it is true that the premium bullets such as the Partition maintain a more constant penetration depth



but the depth does not increase with velocity and generally there is a small decrease.

You're getting a real gun, shoot a real bullet!

Besides, you eat right up to the hole! If you want less meat damage, shoot the 180 gr or 200 gr Barnes Triple Shock.

JMHO

thank you woods i had never thought of it likr that The reason i justpicked the 150 was cause that all I thought i needed to kill a whitetail.
And just thought a partition or scirocco might not be so destructive

Excellent rifle and nice powerful round too !

thank you Beefa i just thought it would make a nice do it all gun

I have been drooling over the sendero for awhile now and I think it is great, but what made you go with 300 win mag over the 300 RUM? Not criticizing by any means, just curious, maybe it could make me think different!

Strawman i did think on the RUM I forgot where I saw it but had a atricle on it and the 30-378 both were shot slow but both had throat erosion at 150 rounds.I agree it had awesome ballistics and a non belted case.But the 300 win has been around for many years now and most everyone who has had one liked it the ballistics on the 7 RUM are amazing

I would not use the Sciroccos if you do not want meat damage. On last years antelope hunt, my friend used his 257 Weatherby and Sciroccos. I have never seen so much meat damage, even at over 500 yards! He doesn't use them any more. FWIW. Gary

Something keeps bothering me about using a .300 Mag on White Tail or any other Deer for the Least Amount of Meat Damage !??. Something isn't adding up here , there are SEVERAL better suited cartridges for that task .

Don't go off on ME !. I own a couple of 300 Mag's but not for DEER HUNTING !.

Shoot Straight Know Your Target . ...

DrK i'm just looking for a rifle I can do it all with

speed_kills,
I have followed your posts about a $1400 rifle, best scope for $500, and "my decision". I do not know whether you have purchased the rem sendero in 300 win mag yet , but given your recent response to Dr. K it sounds like you haven't put your money down yet.

let me take a minute to establish my bona fides, so you will know where I'm coming from.I'm a guy who has been shooting long guns for close to 50 years now. I have over 50 rifles in my collection and am reloading for approx 38 chamberings from 17 ackley hornet to 45-70. I shoot at the range weekley.Varmint and hog hunt at least monthly and spends about 30 of the 60 days of the local deer season in the woods hunting (not including bow season).



Having that out of the way, let me make a couple of observations and ask you a couple of questions.

I wouldn't worry about one gun to "do everything", unless by that you mean hunting hogs and deer 3 days out of the year during hunting season and not touch your rifle the rest of the year. Rather, find something that will cover 70 to 80% of your needs.

If you want to plink, target shoot, hunt varmints, turkey, deer, hogs, shoot up close and far, you are probably going to want to invest in several rifles.

What is the saying, rome wasn't built in a day. What do you hunt the most. Are you hunting in dense woods and brush are you going to be doing the majority of your shooting at ranges over 200 yds. Are you going to be sitting in a blind/stand most of the time or are you going to be walking/stalking.

Another thing to think about is your physical size and pain tolerance. Are you a large or average in size. I shoot all the time and am not particularly recoil sensitive, but shooting an unbraked 300 win mag or 45-70 off the bench a bunch of times is not my idea of fun.

I started out buying heavy barrelled varmint rifles and magnums and equipping them with high magnification scopes. In my old age I seem to be trending toward non mags and low mag scopes .

I bet you could equip yourself with a 260 rem, 270 win, a 7-08 or a 308 in something like a rem 700, browning micro hunter or a-bolt, a winchester or Kimber, with a 22 to 24 inch sporter weight barrel, that flung bullets in the 2700 to 2900 fps range. You would probably enjoy it and shoot more accurately than with a hard kicking magnum ,and you sure won't have as much meat damage. If you don't reload you can get ammo for 270, 7-08 and 308 almost anywhere and reasonably cheap for non premium ammo.
Good luck
GWB

I second that opinion Geedubya : I've always said if I could only have 1 of my Rifles for everything it would be my 7 MM RM 100-180 grain load up or down does near everything on almost every continent !.Recoil is more than manageable with those weights of projectiles .

Shoot Straight Know Your Target . ...

Dr.K,

not trying to hijack the thread, but I have a heavy barrelled Sako L61R in 7 mag. that I dearly love. If (heaven forbid) I had to liquidate my collection it would probably be one of the last if not the last to go. In fact I may ask St. Peter if I can bring it with me when I go to the happy hunting ground!
gwb

looking for a rifle that does it all. Dont they make 30-06 in your area? If you need more,you dont need a faster .30 you need a bigger bore and you dont need more unless leaving North America.

i admit i like the 30-06 im not exactly sure of what trajectory it has I do have a few 500 yd shots but admit looked at the Rem 700 cdl sf
for somereason the 25-05 always pops up 95 % will be whitetail hunting

for primarily deer hunting would the 7MM Rem Mag be a better choice

Speed_Kills,
In Texas i can tag 5 whitetail deer a year. Exotics such as audad, anteloupe, axis, sika and fallow deer have no limit or season. So I usually shoot 5 to 8 deer per year. Some years I shoot upwards of 40 hogs. I've shot hogs and deer since I was around 14 years old. I shoot varmints of all kinds also. I've killed hundreds of game animals, maybe thousands. I've made one shot over 500 yds in all that time. I shot a white-tail doe at 600 yds with a 338 ultramag using 180 gr ballistic tips, zeroed at 300 yds. As I recall I held about 48 inches high and 2 feet into the wind. The wind was blowning enough to drift the bullet another foot. The only reason I took the shot was because I had been up for two days with no sleep and I had to go back to town and i didn't want to go back without any meat. Otherwise I would have never taken the shot bcasuse if the deer wasn't DRT, I could have never found the point of impact and a place to start tracking.
I can make those shots but I don't.
Just about every other animal I've shot has been 250 yds or less, with most being between 75 and 150 yds. At that range with proper bullet placement anything from 6mm up to 45 caliber will do the trick. The key is to find a caliber that you are comfortable shooting and that you can shoot well. Accuracy and bullet placement are more important than speed. You shoot the biggest hog behind the ear with an 85 gr nosler partiton out of a 243 and he'll be dead right there. Graze a coyote with a 45-70 at 30 yds and he's outta there. I killed hogs and deer this year with a 223 and 75 gr hpbts, 240 weatherby, 257 roberts, 257 weatherby,260 remington 270, 7-08, 7 mag, 7 stw, 308, 30-06, 338 umag, 358 winchester, 9.3 x 62 and 45-70. A doe shot with 257 roberts and 110 gr accubonds ran about 40 yds. No problem tracking due to excellent blood trail.One deer shot with the 30-06 and 168 gr triple shocks ran about 10 yds. A spike I shot at 120 yds. with a 358 winchester and 225 gr sierra spitzers ran about 50 yds but left a blood trail a blind man could follow. Each of these were shot with heart shots. Neck shots, spine shot were all DRT. Find a rifle that you can shoot without flinching and practice.

All required only one shot. Most were DRT, only a couple ran as much as 50 yds. Rifles in 6mm, 6.5mm .277, 7mm 30 cal at velocities under 3000 fps are not going to do as much meat damage on thin skinned game. 45 caliber at 1700fps you can eat right up to the bullet hole. You shoot a 135 pound deer at 150 yds or less with a 7mag or 30-06 and hit it in the shoulder and you'll probably loose both front quarters to blood shot meat. Nothing wrong with a 7 mag or 30-06. I have both and shoot both and would hate to have to choose between my favorite rifle of each caliber. Find a rifle in a caliber that you can shoot without flinching and practice at the bench, over shooting stix and free hand. Pick out a load and bullet and shoot. If you decide you don't like the rifle/caliber, blow it out and get another till you find one you like. If you can't afford to lose a couple of $$ (bucks) your in the wrong game.
GWB