Looking for one for coyotes, so need some accuracy. AR15 is out, even though I have one, as this will be a California hunting gun. Mini 14s, I hear, are no very accurate. Also looked at HK 630s, but hard to find a nice one...

What else should I look at?

Thanks for your input.

A modified mini-14 would be my choice. I traded a AR-15 that would shoot moa or less for a Mini-14 that was 3moa. A trigger job, bedding job and new barrel now has the rifle shooting as good and even better than that AR-15. From bags the Mini is a bunch easier to shoot than the AR-15 as well

Do you need a semi? I've heard the Remington pumps in .223 are pretty accurate and use your AR mags. Could you get away with using a mag that is larger than 5 rounds in CA with one of these? The follow ups would be almost as fast as a semi-auto rifle.

I have an AR-15 that I use some times but mostly I use an H&R Ultra Varmint in .223. Kind of hard to get a second shot off fast if you call in more than one yote. I hardly ever call by myself there is always at least one more gun with me so this hasn't been to big of an issue.

Checked out the Rem pump .223, couldn't find anything that said you could mount optics on it. It still looks like a pretty neat rifle and shoud work to kill coyotes.

I hardly believe a Mini 14 would out shoot an AR that shot minute of angle or less. In fact, Ruger realizing their Mini 14 is a POS, just come out with a new enhanced model. IT's a competition model with heavy barrel, competition stock, even had a barrel vibration tuning device. Still a POS in my opinion. I've seen way too many AR's shoot fantastic. Yes there are some bad ones, just like any other gun in the world. By the way the Mini was proposed for the military and it lost out. Get one of the match AR's like from Les Baur or Wilson and be happy. The Mini is a fun plinking rifle and that's all it will ever be. A M1A1 match Sprinfield it is not.

I think the point was that he couldn't LEGALLY use an AR-15. If that's the case then a worked over Mini 14 is a viable alternative. I've had 5 or 6 of them in the last 20 years and 2 shot 2" groups the rest were worse. I talked to a guy in Texas who reworks them into accurate rifles for about $500. If you could get one cheap enough that might be an alternative.
I have a friend who lost a $20 bill to a guy who said his stock Ruger Mini would shoot MOA. The guy fired one shot-waited 5 min-fired another shot-waited 5 min-until the 5 shots were done. He let the barrel cool off between shots and prevented barrel warping by the gas block heating up. At least that what he said.
The guy I talked to said the fault lay in the gas system and the type of powder used. The Mini-30's I've had have all been accurate.

I like the mini-14 and ar-15.

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Originally posted by MaxPayne:
I hardly believe a Mini 14 would out shoot an AR that shot minute of angle or less. In fact, Ruger realizing their Mini 14 is a POS, just come out with a new enhanced model. IT's a competition model with heavy barrel, competition stock, even had a barrel vibration tuning device. Still a POS in my opinion. I've seen way too many AR's shoot fantastic. Yes there are some bad ones, just like any other gun in the world. By the way the Mini was proposed for the military and it lost out. Get one of the match AR's like from Les Baur or Wilson and be happy. The Mini is a fun plinking rifle and that's all it will ever be. A M1A1 match Sprinfield it is not.

A factory mini won't unless you have a junk AR-15
BUT
A few changes to the Mini-14 like barrel, trigger work and bedding and a Mini can shoot

My mini strings vertically about 4 or 5 inches if I rip off a 20 shot mag. But it strings horizontal about 2 inches.

In my experience, Minis will not shoot with ARs. I suppose some have run into the exception, but this not what I have seen. FWIW, you can build a CA-legal AR:

http://lgweaponry.com/ad_sheets/callower.htm

It just takes the right lower to get around their rules. There are a few options available.

Does anyone know how the Kel-Tec rifles fare? I have never shot one of these. Would this be legal in CA, since there is no pistol grip?
http://www.kel-tec.com/su16a.html

it ain't a legal hunting rifle... but that SAW looks kinda interesting....

My favorite Semi Auto 308 was the M 60.....


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I have a Mini-14 that does shoot. They're out there but I guess I'm just lucky. I've had two and bought them within a couple weeks of each other. The old one was not good for me. The sights were battle sights with large apeture and bad trigger, I didn't shoot it well at all. Then I picked up a scoped 181 series and it did ok. I've since done the trigger and checked a couple things and it shoots well now. (MOC or less to well over 200 yards)

That being said.....get a new lower for your current AR, buy the goodies required to make it a fixed mag lower, and then get an barrel without a flash hider if yours is so equipped. You've now met the requirements of the Kalifornia Law. Nate

for nth degree accuracy today its hard to be a souped up AR like J-P arms, but mini's can be made to shoot too. Mine after rebarreling and chanbered in 6x45 hold consistant groupls of 3/4" and less. The mini 14 platform is i believe more user friendly and compact than is the ar, but each has its things going for it. whether you soup up an AR, buy one already done, or soup up a mini, you're probably going to have about the same amount of $$ involved.