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No big Whup,

Gem Tech and AAC both make very good suppressors.
They will send you the paperwork. In the block that says why do you want one put "for collection purposes". That is the truth, and is a phrase that works.

You will need to have the end of your barrel threaded to 1/2" x 28 tpi. Have the smith make a thread cap also.

Use any good brand of subsonic ammo. I favor Eley subsonic.

If you need to kill some feral animals that are causing trouble, you need to do it. The suppressor does keep things calm. You would be amazed at the number of municipalities that contract with pest control specialists to shoot coyotes and pigeons at night with suppressed .22s or air rifles.

If you need any details, send me a pm. The tax stamp is $200.00 and the processing time by the ATF is ~120-150 days.
The manufacturer will walk you through it step by step.

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Posts: 7158 | Location: Snake River | Registered: 02 February 2004Reply With Quote
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I live so far off the road, there is no law

Seriously, I have a large herd of cattle and I'm having large dog problems. In my state, I do have the legal right to kill any pooch caught destroying my property. I also had a biologist from the department of fish and wildlife on one of the farm's last week to see some damage caused by turkeys. I also have the right to waste any wild animal as long as I don't pick it up or attempt to move the carcass. Now, I just can't do that so my wheat will have to suffer a little more. However, any dog chewing on the leg of a calf that will be worth $600-800 12 months from now is going down

I did not know that silencers were illegal I like to hunt deer on this farm and I'd rather not shoot and disturb them too much...I really don't care what the neighbors think.
 
Posts: 336 | Location: Kentucky | Registered: 03 December 2003Reply With Quote
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I did not know that silencers were illegal




It is not that silencers are illegal, but rather that silencers/suppressors are highly regulated in a manner similar to fully-automatic weapons and other devices that require specific approval/registration/etc. from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. You can read more information at the ATF's website, and there are many websites that explain what is required to own various of these restricted devices. Ownership of any of these devices without complying with the appropriate requirements is illegal, and will get you into lots of hot water. There are different classes of restricted devices, and the requirements are diferent for each class, so I am guilty of oversimplifying. Also, I understand some states, perhaps all, make it illegal to hunt with suppressed weapons. I do not know if controlling feral canines would violate those restrictions, if any, in your state.

There are places that will sell you a supressed Ruger .22 (barrel with integral supressor) after you pass the appropriate background checks and pay the required fees, but these items are not cheap.
 
Posts: 8773 | Location: Republic of Texas | Registered: 24 April 2004Reply With Quote
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Suppressor info...
http://www.srtarms.com/
 
Posts: 1615 | Location: Washington State | Registered: 27 May 2004Reply With Quote
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Silencers will work fine with a .22 but you don't want to wound a dog and have someone else see it or hear it. So I suggest using a much more powerful round.

Silencers are legal in my state for hunting. You should check the regulations in yours.

I advise finding some other way to cure the problem though. Dogs can indeed be a pest. The way I do it is to take a picture of them and then call the dog warden. They like this as it gives them an ID and more work and overtime for the law inforcement business.
 
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I know this is the small caliber forum but I have been working on quiet/squib loads for a buddy of mine that has the same sort of problem as you. I am using a 22" barreled T/C Contender carbine chambered in 45-70 with 450gr cast bullets @ 400fps so far. I have not gotten them totally quiet yet but am getting close.
The idea behind these kinds of loads is that heavy bullets traveling slow will penetrate. One fellow that I read about shot a coyote through the heart @ 50 yards with a 500gr cast 45-70 bullet. The really neat thing about his load is that the hammer hitting was louder than the shot going off.
I started with resized Win brass, Win large rifle primers, 8grs of Hodgdon Tite Group powder held in place with styrofoam and the 450gr bullet without a crimp, which gives an average velocity of about 860fps but was as loud as shooting a 410 shotgun
I have now worked my way down to 3grs of Tite Group held in place with styrofoam which gives average velocities of 403fps. This load is fairly quiet something along the decibles of a 22lr but with a far deeper milder sort of boom. I tried 1 shot without hearing protection just to hear the level and it was not uncomfortable at all.
Also all of my shots so far have grouped within 2" with iron sight @ 25 yards.
It has been alot of fun working with these loads so far. If you don't have a 45-70 there is data to do these sort of loads in smaller calibers as well.
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Posts: 451 | Location: B.C. Canada | Registered: 20 November 2003Reply With Quote
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I am confused--imagine that. Lives so far out there is no law,but worried about noise? Only thing I can figure is I have heard ads that the milk came from contented cows. You don't want noise so they remain contented? Could a milk connoisseur really tell the difference? Maybe trapping those dogs would be an alternative or perhaps a bow--don't want to disturb those cows.
 
Posts: 1289 | Location: San Angelo,Tx | Registered: 22 August 2003Reply With Quote
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Sounds like you need some antifreeze marinated steaks to be 'accidentally dropped' where the dogs run.
 
Posts: 1780 | Location: South Texas, U. S. A. | Registered: 22 January 2004Reply With Quote
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an Exlax burger works pretty well to...............
 
Posts: 901 | Location: Denver, CO USA | Registered: 01 February 2001Reply With Quote
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A lot of the noise is the sonic boom from HV rounds. Buy a box of Aguila sub-sonic stuff and see if your gun will shoot them well. The 58 gr or 60 gr (I've heard of both but mine are 60 gr) bullet has a much better sectional density and should be a better killer on bigger animals to boot.

Second part of the story is use a longer barrel. Get a medium contour long barrel (26-28") from someone who makes a drop-in for the 10/22. A Marlin 39 with a 26" barrel is amazingly quiet compared to a modern Ruger. The extra barrel would cost a fraction of setting up with a legal suppressor.
 
Posts: 11137 | Location: Texas, USA | Registered: 22 September 2003Reply With Quote
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Perhaps I need to further elaborate on a few points:

First, if I knew to whom the dogs belong we would not have a discussion. I'd see the neighbor and 99% of these pooches would be on a leash. I'd guess that some idiot dropped a sack of pups off and they have enlisted all the "pets" in their gang.

Second, I've already explained that I hunt deer on many of the farms I have leased for cattle. I don't want to go roaring in with one of my noisy centerfires and then climb into my treestand.

Finally, would you believe that I have 90 head of cattle on one 230 acre farm that is located a mere 1/4 mile from our city limit sign? Our county seat population is 1582 according to the welcome to Edmonton sign! We do have some laws...like keep your pooch on a leash and out of cattle herds or he's likely to get shot or worse. Everyone in this little community has cattle or are economically effected by cattle. Our sheriff's office routinely runs ads in the local paper concerning dog and cattle problems. The sheriff's department shoots them after running the ad.

Shoot them with a paint gun???? So the owner can do what? "Okay Rover, your all clean and pretty now. Stay out of the nice farmer's cattle." When a canine gets the taste of fresh blood, long term trouble usually follows.

By the way, when I say neighbors, I'm talking miles not feet!! I realize some of us live so close to our neighbors that they get sick everytime we have beans or Taco Bell. I can walk outside my house with my deer rifle and safely take a 400 yard shot in any direction. Neighbors are not the issue.
 
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Does anyone know of a silencer for a Ruger 10/22 that really works? I'm having some dog problems




Actually Ruger made some suppressed 10/22's for the Israeli military. This was some time back.

Though I am not sure why on a ranch you need to suppress a 22lr. If that is what you need, then do the BATF paperwork. Any Class II manufacturer can produce the silencer for you. It is simply a matter of threading the front of the barrel. Though personally, if I were to go to all this trouble I would want something more powerful than a 22lr.

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Posts: 193 | Registered: 12 March 2003Reply With Quote
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It sounds like the answer is somewhere in the area mentioned earlier... development of nearly quiet large bore loads... .30 and up... although you can probably develop a "quiet" load for nearly ANY centerfire.
This is all based on the premise that you do not wish to try to qualify for the ability to purchase a legal suppressor.
I think that the transfer fee is somewhere around 200-300 dollars... a one-time fee for each "restricted" type of unit, whether it is a fully automatic weapon, or a silencer/suppressor. This is after passing the FBI's background investigation.
 
Posts: 323 | Location: N.Central Texas | Registered: 28 December 2002Reply With Quote
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It really sounds like a poison control system is preferred if you are not going to be worried about harming 'innocent' neighbors dogs...but it's your butt on the line if you piss off the neighbors, and poison can be touchy with some local/state laws.

If you insist on firearms, insist on quiet, and want to tackle large dogs at range...look into the 300 Whisper. If you're not familiar, think of a .223 necked to .308 and using subsonic 220 grain bullets. Easily suppressed and not all that loud to begin with...Besides, it is as good an excuse as any to buy a new rifle!
 
Posts: 1780 | Location: South Texas, U. S. A. | Registered: 22 January 2004Reply With Quote
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Born to Hunt--When I read your original post I figured the silencer was because of neighbors. Now you have identified you don't want to scare the deer. I have noticed a big boomer can go off a half mile or so away and it doesn't seem to bother the deer in the area I'm in. I have shot a lot of cast bullets in .22 centerfires and they are reasonably quiet. This was 58 grainers around 2000-2200fps,that should do great on a dog.
 
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It really sounds like a poison control system is preferred if you are not going to be worried about harming 'innocent' neighbors dogs...but it's your butt on the line if you piss off the neighbors, and poison can be touchy with some local/state laws.

If you insist on firearms, insist on quiet, and want to tackle large dogs at range...look into the 300 Whisper. If you're not familiar, think of a .223 necked to .308 and using subsonic 220 grain bullets. Easily suppressed and not all that loud to begin with...Besides, it is as good an excuse as any to buy a new rifle!




Poisoning is NEVER an option. Sure you get a few of the problem animals BUT you also kill many animals that you never intended to kill. Seen this happen way too many times. Example is a farmer has a bad Ground Squirrel problem. Doing lots of damage not only to the crops but to the farm equipment too. So he puts poison grain down into the holes. He kills the Ground Squirrels but also kills other animals including hawks, owls, vultures, etc.. Other birds that are helpful to the farmers existence are also wiped out. No way is poisoning is EVER an option. Lawdog
 
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