Although not common a long throated 7mm IHMSA is an option. The energy level would be about that of a 30-30 with an improved trajectory . With a 19" or 20" barrel and 140 to 160 grain bullets it should be pleasant shooting light weight rifle for your native deer. roger

That's an interesting option bartsche.

http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w7mmihmsa.html

Seems to me that the 6.5 Creedmoor is another variant of that concept - off the parent case the 300 Savage. The Creedmoor seems to be the sides are straighter, but the shoulder angle about the same.

The Creedmoor is designed for rifles and the IHMSA for handguns. And the pressure levels I suspect are different also.

KB

The Creedmore was designed off the 30 TC. The 300 Savage is a dead case, I don't believe anyone is designing anything new off it.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
That's an interesting option bartsche.KB

One of my wildcats is on the same case head diameter ,is7mm, but almost .200" shorter and achieves better velocities than those listed for the IHMSA. It seems to me the velocities may have been taken using a pistol. I'm sure that in a rifle with at least a 19" barrel greater velocities would be achieved. Cases easily could be made from the .308 or any of it's clones.
Other candidates could a deep throated 7mm BR or my 7x41 IMP ; also deep throated. I have the reamer for the latter and would gladly let you use it. roger

Just talked to a girl (with attitude) at FNH USA parts and she said that the action must have been part of a sale of actions to a gun club in Scotsdale Az. and that they don't sell actons now. After talking with her I would give FMH USA customer service half a star out of 10.

Lo and behold, the world is full of women with attitudes, which has little in relation to FMH USA customer service potential, IMO. Blame it on the phase of the moon.

Yes, the actions alone were on GB for a while, but dried up. That's why I snagged this one quickly.

So, the way I deal with women with attitudes and issues of speculation as to how this action came to be available is to adjust my own attitude in such a way that the "stuff" out there has little bearing on me.

What matters now is that it's mine, and no woman with an attitude can take it away, and to me it's worth more than I paid for it. I'm happy.

One thing, among many things, I have found as I get older, and hopefully wiser, is that there are thousands of ways to say the equivilent of phuck you, without actually using the "F" word. Sometimes just thinking it is enough, without saying it. And if said, it can be done with plesant words, or tone of voice, and often the recipient doesn't even get it. I have found that to be far more satisfying than getting upset.

Being happy and not upset is the best revenge to give those who would like to see you otherwise. It costs little, and generally draws no retaliation, it's not within their control, and it steers you in the right direction for yourself and those who matter to you.

KB

An intresting take on the difference between the 260 and the 7/08.

"The 270 or 7mm with equal weights of bullets presents greater gas area and will produce greater muzzle velocities, which could make them measurably flatter over practical ranges.
Within 300 yds or even considerably in excess of that, a 140 gn 270 bullet, for example, has a measurably shorter time of flight than a 140 gn 6.5 bullet when driven at maximum velocity from identical cases. The flatter trajectory of the smaller diameter bullet comes only at ranges far in excess of those at which the average man in the field can make effective hits."

From P.O. Ackley Vol 1 on the .263 express.

Which one to build first may depend on what you wish to use it for..

Ive built 3 260's on M-48 yugo actions. It is a nice round. I sold the first two and the guys who got them love the round. I thought a lot about going with a 6.5X55 instead but ultimatley bought the 260 reamer to make brass availability easier. For my deer hunting I am going back to the 7mm though. Ive always wanted a 7/08. But Im building a 7X57, I think that will suffice..

There is a good article in the Jan/Feb 2012 issue of Rifleshooter on the 6.5 Credemore and references/compares with the 7mm-08.

My vote goes to the Creedmoor...several reasons..
The cartridge is very well balanced,meaning what you put into it,you get out of it.Good brass,bullets and powders all perform well.Easy on the shoulder,easy to call your shots.
I've not had good luck this past year with new rifles,bought 4,only have one left,my 6.5 Creedmoor Ruger Hawkeye.No problem getting brass,already have plenty of bullets as I also have a 6.5x54,55,57 and a .264WM.Most all my rifle pre-date 1964,so the Ruger is very modern to me.
I'll take a good 7x57 anyday over the best 7mm-08,yet my favorite "woods rifle" is a Mannlicher .308. If Ruger or anybody did a full-stock rifle in 6.5CM I'd have one,but I do have a 6.5x57 Brno to fill that need.
I'm getting older and recoil is no longer a pleasure,I've retired my 8x63,.318WR and .338WM and use a 9.3x62 for a big gun in that class.
You have the makings of a nice rifle,could make a very neat 6.5.....

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Being happy and not upset is the best revenge to give those who would like to see you otherwise. It costs little, and generally draws no retaliation, it's not within their control, and it steers you in the right direction for yourself and those who matter to you.KB

If these are your own words of wisdom, my hat is off to you.

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Was it Yogi Berra the stated, "when you come to the fork in the road, take it". I tend to agree. Do both. You will be much happier.

Here are a few that were at hand that keep me on the straight and narrow.



Top to bottom,
7 x 57,
7mm-08,
7mm-08
6.5 x 284
260 Rem.

On the 7 x 57 is custom. They are all shooters/killers.

GWB

PS: I was in my favorite gunshop last week. I happened upon a used Winchester model 70 classic featherweight chambered in 7 x 57. It will be home soon.

The 260 looks by the nicest

I had 2 done this year, both 260s, 130 AB is my go to bullet.

a 6.5 Creedmoor is just a 260 Remington in a different box...they all come with longer barrels from the factory to make the velocity equal a 260...

while there is nothing wrong with that...the world needed an alternative to the 260 like they needed an enema...

and the only real difference in a 260 or 7/08, boils down to the need or heavier bullet weights..

owning both, they are pretty much interchangeable until maybe the job gets a little more specific....

and if you need a heavier bullet in a 7/08 ( job specific example), even moving up to a 7 x 57, will give you more velocity...

I wouldn't be without either.. my 7/08 I limit bullet weights to 140 grains... for no other reason, when I need more MV, I have a couple of 7 x 57s, and a 7 Rem Mag...( which I only bought, because it was cheap.. a Stainless Savage 116, NIB but 3 yrs sitting on a shelf... for $275.00)

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...the world needed an alternative to the 260 like they needed an enema...

The world definately needs an enema, IMO.

I'm less certain about the need for an alternative to the 260.

KB