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Evening fellas Did pick up a beauty Model 14 American in 250 Savage a few years back, and did some excellent grouping loads with 90 gr Sierra HP and 117 Sierra. By accident I discovered the throad to be mot in sammi spec in the rifle and had it lengthened. So now I can run nost any bullet I want with good powder capacity.. Now there is data for the 80gr TTSX bullet for 250 savage. My question is, does this round have enough powder capacity to utilize the copper bullet technology. Thanks FS | ||
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In preparation for some grandkids starting to hunt I rebarreled a Sav 11 in 250 and a Rem 700 in 250 Ackley Imp. When loaded to normal 55k pressures both are very capable deer rounds. I have not tried the 80 gr TTSX but that is next. What I can tell you is the 100 ge Partition in the 250 or the 250 Imp kills deer like a 270 with very little recoil.I would think the 80 ge TTSX would be very effective as well.I have also found the 100 gr Speer bullet to be quite accurate in my 250 rifle and it works on deer as well and is a lot easier on your wallet. | |||
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Using CFE223 and the 80 gr TTSX in a standard short throat 250 barrel it's very easy to get a bit over 3100 fps with mild pressure in the Ruger No.3 I have. | |||
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I wouldn't think you'd get quite that much velocity. but I'd say 2900 fps worth of muzzle speed would be quite adequate for the TTSX to do it's job. if you get more it'd work better further away. I'm running 86's to 3-K in my Ackley and bump 120's out to a more pedestrian 2800+/-. still matching the 257 Bobs speeds close nuff. | |||
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??? What "copper bullet technology" are you speaking of? And what causes you to question whether a .250 Savage will work with this "technology"? | |||
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It will work and I doubt if anyone has used the 250-3000 as much as I have..I killed elk and deer with it growing up, and lots of them..shot only a few twice and never wounded anything with it, shot tons of rockchucks, coyotes, bobcats and badgers, and a bear...I used about every bullet out there..Most accurate in my guns, (all of them) was also the 90 Gr. Sierra HP, followed by the Nosler ballistic tips, but the 250s seem to shoot all bullets pretty well, even in 1x10 or 1x14 twists, but check them out before you decide that, guns vari from one degree to another...For hunting the TTSXs work well enough, but I like the Nosler Accubonds and the Hornadys best. The corelokts are great performers if they will shoot in your gun.. For deer I tend to favor the 87 gr. bullets but the 100 gr. bullets are very good indeed..One bullet that seems to shoot in any 25 caliber big game rifle is the 117 gr. RN Hornady and it shoots in all twists I have tried.. That sums up my near 85 years of hunting with the 250 minus about 12 years growing out of the 25-35 and into the 250 or something on that order...In all those years Ive never known of a 250 that was not accurate, Im sure someone has however.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Stoney, i am wanting to know if there is a conensus as to weather or nor the 250 will run the 80gr TTSX fast enough for it to perform as advertised, thanks | |||
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hell yeah is my vote. 80grs should easily break 3-K if you try very hard. if a bullet won't open at that speed it won't work in anything. | |||
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Thank you Lamar, I'll see what the recomended powder is , 760 working well for 90gr Sierra bullets...FS | |||
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Wouldn’t the greatest concern be, “what is the minimum impact velocity that the 80gr TTSX will properly perform; i.e., open and expand?” Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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it would be in my opinion if it were the older TSX. the ttsx takes that speed down a few hundred fps. | |||
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Will have the Labrador Chrony set up to get my velocity, and calculate from there....FS | |||
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I to have a Savage 11 rebarreled to 250 Savage with 24 inch barrel. Using Load From A disc Most any powder can push the 80 Barnes bullet to over 3200 fps out of a 24 inch barrel. That should be plenty fast enough. I haven't tried that bullet. I have tried Hornady 90 gr GMX. Those shoot well at about 3000 fps. I use these because I got them as factory seconds. They even came in Hornady red boxes. I shoot the Sierra 90 and 100 gr BT's. The 90's to 3000. the 100 to 2850. Both seem to work well. Leo The only way to know if you can do a thing is to do it. | |||
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I load for a neighbor that has an early 99 in 250-3000. The twist is pretty long in that the only bullets we could get to stabilize were the 87 G. Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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Did get some amazing velocities with Win 760 powder 1 at 3400, the other at 3983. Going to the range again this week for some more loads testing | |||
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The 250 Savage has plenty of velocity to make a TSX or TTSX work The only problem I see would be impact velocities at extreme ranges say 600 yards and out. Then it would act like a solid. I don't know what the absolute mimimum velocity for the TTSX is They expand better at low velocity than the TSX do. DW | |||
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Ive shot a lot of whitetail does and a few bucks with the 250-3000 as well as mule deer and the 80 to 85 gr. monolithics kill instantly as a rule, those that run don't make 40 yards as a rule..I like the GS Customs 80 gr. bullet and the Barnes ttsx works great, used these mostly in my Savage 99s.....My favorite powders today are H414 and CFE223. That said in my early FN Mauser with a 24 inch barrel, that 110 gr. NOsler Accubond really has impressed me. Its pretty much been my Mule deer rifle for the last couple of years.. Over years of hunting since childhood Ive shot the 250-3000 more than any other rifle I suspect, I just like the lack or recoil, the accuracy, and its ability to kill out of proportion to its size it seems.. Try the Hornady 117 gr. RN, they shoot good in any 250-3000 and they work on mule deer and elk, an amazing bullet..You can shoot them around 2700 to 2800 in a strong bolt gun, 2600 in a Savage 99..most of the elk I killed with that bullet were in a Savage 99 at 2500 to 2600, not pushing it much... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Damn few bullets in the real world expand much at 1900 FPS from the class of rifles between the 243, 250 to the 30-06 35 Whelen 338-06 class of guns..by the fact of bullets being designed to work at point blank and at 400 yards seems to be the case..Today with long range shooters some bullets are designed to expand at 1000 or more yards but they will explode on an animal at close range, based on my observation.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ive owned three 250-3000 rifles including the model 14. Didnt have much luck with high velocity in any of them. Got to around 2,800fps with any degree of accuracy. Stuck with 87 grain conventional Sp projectiles. 100's at 2800 didnt improve terminal performance on game over 50kg. I doubt premium rounds will do anything bettter except empty your wallet quicker. But hey, if the advertising is right ....... People Sleep Peacefully in Their Beds at Night Only Because Rough Men Stand Ready to Do Violence on Their Behalf. | |||
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silkyoaks- you must be using the wrong powders i got into the 250 savage 4 years ago and found mo one had updated it with all these new powders out now. my savage m-1920 1:14 tw shoots sierra 90gr BTHP with varget to 3058 FPS avg. 3/4" at 100yds. dropped this whitetail last year in wva 137 yds 1 shot heart and lungs disappeared DRT. recoil is so mild its incredible how hard this round hits, built a PRS rifle 26" 1:10 tw, it shoots Berger 110gr match/hunter with 40grs reloader 17 to 3080 FPS!!! the 250 savage has become a very efficient cartridge!!!!! goats be ware 42 grs varget and hornady 75gr VMAX =3470 FPS and 1/2" at 100yds in 1920. SB    | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by savagebrother: silkyoaks- you must be using the wrong powders i got into the 250 savage 4 years ago and found no one had updated it with all these new powders out now. my savage m-1920 1:14 tw shoots sierra 90gr BTHP with varget to 3058 FPS avg. 3/4" at 100yds. dropped this whitetail last year in wva 137 yds 1 shot heart and lungs disappeared DRT. recoil is so mild its incredible how hard this round hits, built a PRS rifle 26" 1:10 tw, it shoots Berger 110gr match/hunter with 40grs reloader 17 to 3080 FPS!!! the 250 savage has become a very efficient cartridge!!!!! goats be ware 42 grs varget and hornady 75gr VMAX =3470 FPS and 1/2" at 100yds in 1920. SB  | |||
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I have a Savage 99F in 250-3,000 with 1 in 14" twist. It won't shoot 100 grain bullets accurately. It will shoot 87 and 90 grain bullets very well. I load both with 37.5 grains of Leverevolution powder to about 3,000 fps. Leverevolution is almost the same as CFE-223. In my Savage Axis with 24" 250 Savage barrel by E.R. Shaw I get 3,000 fps with a 100 grain bullet using H-4350. I plan on taking the 99F to NY State this November during big game season. I am glad to read the experiences of others here using this cartridge and light bullets. | |||
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If we have waltzed around your question and I think in fact I have, so I apoligise.. The answer is yes it has the capacity to do the job..but its a good idea to use a lengthed box and matching throat..I would seat my bullets .257 deep with the 110 gr. Nosler accubond in the case and make the magazine to match and the throat of the rifle to match the magazine and loaded round...Every rifle should have been built that way in the first place. A few are today but not many, why that is, is beyond my understanding. Also the fabled jump to the rifleings by a bullet has never been an issure in any of my guns, not even one in my lifetime..I fear someone said it was so and others followed like sheep and didn't want to admit it was a old wives tale for the most part anyway, there can always be exceptions..My point being try them yourself and decide. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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sorry about the multiple reply's kept telling me that it wasnt woreking SB | |||
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Yes they will work. | |||
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Over the last 5 or 6 years maybe more Ive been mostly using H414, WW760, CFE-223, Varget and some 4895..., 250s are not particular about powders it seems to me. Most of my 250s are 99s and one deluxe FN, all shot the same loads, at least for the most part...90 gr. Sierra is always the winner for accuracy...The Balistic tips shoot great in the 1x10 FN but they keyhole in the 99s...but the 99s 1x14 strangely enough all love the Hornady 117 gr, RN which should tell most on here its the length and shape of the bullet not the weight that's critical..Ive notice many times the old RN bullets shoot great in most calibers...and of course that Hornady RN 117 gr. bullet is argueably the best bullet in the 25-35 for big game hunting..Ive used it for deer and elk in my youth for a number of years and I kept the range short and it killed as well as anything else at 50 to 100 yards and some deer in the 200 yard range... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Savage 14 = 87gr SP - RL17  | |||
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Faststeel If you chronograhed 39X x Faststeel, Your quoted velocity of just a hair short of 4000 FPS with WW760 in 250-3000 is terribly flawed in that your still around to mention such! Something is amiss, your chronograph or your imagination!!   ..Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Wow! Great to see a 1920 again. Many years ago I had one in .300 Savage. Ultralight hunting rifles before anyone knew a thing about the concept. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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