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in a week i leave for a 5 day gopher hunt in SW Saskatchewan. my gunsmith said he'd have my freshly rebarreled Tikka M55 223 ready in plenty of time, but i still haven't heard from him and have pretty much accepted te fact its not going. thankfully i have a M700 ADL in 222 that is a real tackdriver.problem is i only have 400 pieces of brass, and would like at least 100 more. of course all the local stores are sold out. i can't mail order any because Canada Post is on strike. so, i want to know, is there an easy way to make 222 brass out of 223 without the proper form die? i've tried it before by just trimming back the 223 and running it through the 222 FL die. i get about 1 out of 5 that doesn't show signs of stress or have a pinch in the the shoulder. and that one case usually cracks in the shoulder upon firing. would annealing help? i do have have a propane torch but have never annealed brass before and have no idea how long to keep it in the flame. or am i missing something even simpler then that? i've got lots of 223 brass, but don't want to waste too many trying to reform them.


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I'd anneal it...

if you have a propane torch, then you are all set..

I just hold my brass face down in the flame ( so it gets all sides) with a pair of plyers and usually count to 4 or 5 and just drop it in a small metal bucket ( Walmart.. $1.00) and let it air cool...

Lube your cases good without over doing it..

I did some 223 into 222 with a 222 die with no problems... don't worry about the 'pinch'... I occasionally get those and when I shoot them, it pops out no worse for wear and tear..

necks might be a little thicker.. just make sure they chamber before reloading..
 
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Best thing to do is to drawn them. That is to just touch the neck/shoulder area with a propane torch...just warm it up a little. Seafire's method it doesn't take too long to cherry that neck which is over annealed which you don't want.
I also disagree with the lube them up good. You'll get lots of neck/should wrinkles. Keep the lube off any area that will become the neck/shoulder when it's formed into the 222. Might be a good idea to take the decapper and expander out of the sizer die and form them that way, then trim them, then put the decapper and expander back in the die and resize them once again.

The time to see if the necks are too thick is to load a dummy round. Seafire must not have been thinking when he said to try an empty. An empty should fit because it's outside dimensions are sized down! When you seat a bullet it expands the neck out and if it's too thick it either won't chamber or it won't have enough room for the neck to expand and release the bullet....which means high pressure!

Sorry Seafire, you gave a recipe for over annealed and wrinkled cases. It's best to hold them by the head with your fingers doing your method. You get that head annealed, which you can't tell with pliers, you're in a lot of trouble.

The method where you put the decapped cases in a pan of water that comes up to little over halfway on the cases and heating the neck/shoulders till red and tipping over in the water....over anneals them!!
 
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I always use the pan of water. Better to overanneal than have a soft case head. Cherry red with no water is the worst. You are almost guaranteed of drawing the head. You can get an indicator to apply to the neck which changes color at the right temperature, but it is not widely sold. I personally have never had trouble with over annealing. Just keep the flame down, heat slowly and watch for a dull glow. Also, work in dim light; it's amazing how much easier it is to see the first color change.
 
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The major thing wrong with annealing all the time is that you change your neck tension. Consistent neck tension is important for accuracy especially in a target rifle that is capable of noticing such minute differences in the loaded ammo. So after you anneal you have to fire and resize your cases a few times to work harden them to get that correct neck tension back.

I say unless you're having a lot of split necks don't anneal them. With as cheap and plentiful 5.56 brass is I'd just chuck them in trash after so many firings.

One does not have to anneal all cases in reforming operations. In fact this can make the forming go wrong. Yes there are some exceptions where you anneal.

One more thing, most the time those little dimples DON'T iron out upon firing, ask me how I know. Been there done that. Lots of times they will lead to a crack in that area.
 
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I've never done it but a friend lubes his .223 brass well and sticks it in a .222 die and .222 brass comes out.
He then fire forms it in his rifle and calls it happy. He uses it to shoot matches with so he starts out with premium brass. Don't know if that makes a difference or not.
I know I've reformed a lot of .308 and .243 brass up and down and I've never annealed any of it.


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Just a quick note on expander balls. I know that if you run a case up a .223 Remington Redding Full length sizing die with out the expaner ball in the die you won't get the Redding expader back down the neck if you try to resize it. That cost me one shell, sharing is free.


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Obviously this won't help this time, what with the short time frame you are tied into, BUT....

Your situation is a classic example of one of the major reasons why every serious handloader should have a die and set of bushings on hand similar to those sold here at AR by Butch Lambert.

With dies such as those it would be no big trick at all to push those shoulders back to form .222 brass from .223- - Then you could trim them with whatever trim tool you have and be ready to load.


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I have regularly made 2o VarTarg brass from 222 and 223 with no trouble or losses. Annealing is necessary and as Seafire noted 4-5 seconds in the flame is usually enough. Those who do it in dim light and heat till they see a glow have over heated unessarily. If you run the brass through a polisher first and do your annealing in good light the sign of suficient annealing is when the first colour change of the brass is a slight darkening to a shade of blue. If you had someone with you and turned the lights out at this stage you would be astonished ay how much more heat relatively speaking is needed to get it to glow. Have a look at this link and you will learn facts rather than old wives tales about getting the brass to red heat etc etc etc,

http://www.6mmbr.com/annealing.html

Here are many other helpfull articlas on technical 'stuff'.

http://www.6mmbr.com/techarticles.html

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Sam,

You're doing something wrong because I have the Redding full length sizer die and I can do what you just said you can't.

wasbeeman,

You're correct about not annealing. This anneal thing to form cases is another internet myth. As I've said in the other post there are exceptions.

Von Gruff,

What you describes is very close as to what I describes as "drawing".
 
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I used to do this quite often with little loss. I would lube the cases and run them through the seater die first, then trim, then through the sizer. As I recall I did have to neck turn when done. Just watch the lube so that you don't end up with dents.
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in a week i leave for a 5 day gopher hunt in SW Saskatchewan. my gunsmith said he'd have my freshly rebarreled Tikka M55 223 ready in plenty of time, but i still haven't heard from him and have pretty much accepted te fact its not going. thankfully i have a M700 ADL in 222 that is a real tackdriver.problem is i only have 400 pieces of brass, and would like at least 100 more. of course all the local stores are sold out. i can't mail order any because Canada Post is on strike. so, i want to know, is there an easy way to make 222 brass out of 223 without the proper form die? i've tried it before by just trimming back the 223 and running it through the 222 FL die. i get about 1 out of 5 that doesn't show signs of stress or have a pinch in the the shoulder. and that one case usually cracks in the shoulder upon firing. would annealing help? i do have have a propane torch but have never annealed brass before and have no idea how long to keep it in the flame. or am i missing something even simpler then that? i've got lots of 223 brass, but don't want to waste too many trying to reform them.

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I Live in Edmonton and I could put some 222 brass in a padded Purolator Envelope and over night ship it to you. I have some Win and Rem new here. Might save a whole bunch of screwing around. Plus I hear gopher numbers are way down this year over last so 400 rounds of deuce might be plenty. FS
 
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Kevin:

In spite of what is being said here, try annealing some of your cases neck and shoulders.

I form lots of differnt cartridges, and sometimes, the only way I can get them to form is if I anneal them.

Here's what I do: I place some cases in a pan, 9X11 type cake pan works well for this. I make sure there is enough water in the pan to rise a level above the case head and web. I then heat the neck and shoulder to a light red, and tip it over in the pan with the tourch. This method has worked for me since the 60's. As to neck tension, if you aren't shooting a bench rest match, maybe it shouldn't be of a concern to you. Some reforms may NOT require annealing, that depends on other factors, but I have never felt annealing should be over looked.


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I just hold my brass face down in the flame ( so it gets all sides) with a pair of plyers and usually count to 4 or 5 and just drop it in a small metal bucket ( Walmart.. $1.00) and let it air cool.....
As has been said, the above is really a BAD idea.

If you are going to Anneal, hold the Case Head in your fingers and drop it into Water. That prevents getting the Case Head too soft and the water properly Anneals the Brass. Or set them in a pan of water as Jerry mentioned and tip them over into the water once the Neck becomes Red. Either of those ways will properly Anneal your Cases.
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However, if you use "New - UnFired" 223Rem Cases, you will probably not have the Failure Rate you experienced. That is because they are already properly Annealed.

I seem to remember the main difference between the two Cases is (maybe) 0.2" or so at the Shoulder(and of course Trim to Length). So, if you set your Die to properly P-FLR the "New" Case, you should get the best possible Case Life and the best potential Accuracy.

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Annealing

Annealing is a process wherein heat is applied to a metal in order to change it's internal structure in such a way that the metal will become softer.

Most of us think of "heat treating" when we think of applying heat to a metal in order to change it's internal structural properties. The word "heat treating" is most commonly associated with steel. However, the term heat treating is not annealing, except in a general and journalistic sense of the word. Heat treating refers to a process wherein the metal is made harder. Annealing always means to make the metal softer.

In order to make steel harder, it is heated to some temperature, and then cooled fairly rapidly, although this is not always the case. Brass, on the other hand, cannot be made harder by heating it -- ever -- brass is always made softer by heating.

The only way brass can be made harder is to "work" it. That is, the brass must be bent, hammered, shaped or otherwise formed. Once it has been made hard, it can be returned to it's "soft" state by annealing. The hardness of brass can be controlled by annealing for a specified time and temperature.Unlike steel, which will be made harder when it is cooled rapidly, brass is virtually unaffected when it is rapidly cooled. Annealing brass and suddenly quenching it in water will have no measurable effect on the brass. Cartridge cases are made of brass. When cartridge cases have been reloaded a number of times, the case necks become harder. Annealing will return the cartridge case necks to their factory original state.artridge Case Annealing

"Properly" annealed cartridge cases are essential to maintaining accuracy and long case life when using handloaded ammunition. The question is, what is "properly" annealed? What does annealing do? Can a cartridge case be over annealed? What part of the case should be annealed? Can annealing a cartridge case make it dangerous? Below, you will find the answers to these questions, as well as a number of other questions that you didn't ask.

A great deal has been written about cartridge case annealing in the popular gun press. A great deal of what has been written about annealing is misleading, with one exception: articles and books by Dean A. Grennell. In his "The ABC's of Reloading" (page 190), Mr. Grennell correctly describes the procedure. Although it is a very short description, it is correct. There is one slight error of fact, but it is on the side of safety and Mr. Grennell cannot be faulted for this in any way. In fact, if you do not have this book I recommend it -- even for "experienced" handloaders. There is much valuable information in it, much of it overlooked in other publications. The photo's are profuse and excellent, the explanation clear and concise, and the writing is witty and wry.

After wading through this weighty tome, you will know more about annealing and cartridge brass than you probably bargained for.

Few handloaders ever bother to anneal their brass. The few that do are usually dyed-in-the-wool "gun cranks" (to use a rather archaic term from the 1940's), "crazy experimenters" or shooters who are involved in some form of competitive shooting. There is good reason for this, too -- until now, annealing cartridge brass was, at best, a spotty proposition. The brass is either over annealed, under annealed, improperly annealed or some combination of all three. Annealing brass is time consuming, and for the most part, the damn stuff doesn't seem to shoot any better than before it was annealed. Sure, the brass lasts longer, but it does not seem to make any improvements in accuracy. If anything, it might seem to open up groups. So much for the way you used to think about annealing.

Now let's find out about doing it right. Not only will annealing make the brass last up to 10 times longer, but it will tighten up those groups too.

Before I go into the why's and whereof of cartridge brass and the right way to anneal, let's review the traditional methods of annealing, the attendant disaster, and how they occur.

The "Old Methods"

The usual procedure is to get a pan, something like a cookie pan, and place enough water water in the bottom of it to cover the lower one-third to one-half of the brass. Next the cartridges are stood on their bases in the water. A flame from a propane torch is played over the case necks until the brass "just begins to glow" or "just before it begins to glow". When the magic moment is reached, the annealing is abruptly arrested by knocking over the heated case into the water. The fact that the case neck is heated unevenly and the case-to-case heating is hardly uniform doesn't seem to get much notice.

The reason for the water is that the bases of the cases must not be annealed, or even heated to any appreciable amount, for reasons you will learn about later on.

Another method is to dip the case mouths into molten lead that is at the "correct temperature. Of coarse, there are the problems of lead sticking to the case (soldering), holding the case, and preventing the base from becoming over heated. This process is obviously one for Superman: he could hold the case with his fingers of steel and freeze the base by blowing his supersonic breath over it.

Quite frankly, I have never seen anyone use the lead pot method of annealing although I have read many articles describing it. I think I can see why it is not a popular method. The next method is described by Earl Naramore in his "Principles and Practices of Loading Ammunition" (circa 1954).

First the cases are polished and then placed on a small block of wood or metal. The case is placed on the platform and a flame from a suitable torch is played over the neck as the block is turned. This continues until the brass has a slight color change, and then the flame is removed. The flame must be hot enough so that the neck is heated sufficiently fast enough to prevent the base from heating to a critical point.

Needless to say, this procedure will work fairly well, but requires a high degree of skill. It is also very S-L-O-W! Can you imagine having to anneal several hundred cases using this method? Another drawback to this method is that you will have a decided lack of uniformity on the periphery of the case neck, and the case-to-case results will be even less uniform. So much for the "old methods".

Cartridge Cases

Our present day cartridge cases represent over one hundred years of continued development and refinement. Cartridge cases are manufactured to exacting standards and tolerances from brass made especially for the purpose.

A cartridge case starts life as a strip of brass. It goes through a number of processes on it's way from brass strip to finished cartridge case. It is punched, heated, cooled, cupped, washed, drawn, annealed, formed, "upset" and trimmed and polished, though not necessarily in that order, and I have left out a significant number of steps. Suffice it to say, the manufacture of cartridge brass is involved and exacting. What we get is truly a marvel of manufacturing magic.

Cartridge brass is annealed several times during the manufacturing process. Each step is carefully controlled, and the brass is tested and examined with sophisticated equipment.

As delivered, a cartridge case has a number of properties especially suited for the job it must perform. Most shooters think of the cartridge case merely as a convenient way of keeping the bullet, primer and powder from getting all mixed up and a handy way of stuffing them all into the gun in the proper sequence. As Rodney Dangerfield might say, "It don't get no respect".

The Cartridge Case Inside The Gun

Actually, a cartridge case is the primary component with which we have to deal in handloading ! Not only that, but it is the cartridge case which seals the chamber when the gun is fired. If it weren't for the amazing ability properties of the cartridge case, you would get a hot blast of gas in your face every time you pulled the trigger.

After the trigger is pulled, the powder is ignited and creates gas pressure inside the case. Under pressure, the case expands. The outer walls of the cartridge case press against the walls of the chamber. As the pressure builds up (as high as 55,000 pounds per square inch or more in a rifle), the outer walls of the case press tighter and tighter. The more pressure, the better the seal (up to a point, of coarse). The primer, held securely at it's outer walls by the same pressure, and pressing against the bolt face (assuming we're still talking about a rifle), does it's part to seal the breach, even though it's primary job is completed by this time.

As the bullet speeds down the bore, the pressure begins to drop. Finally, the bullet clears the muzzle and the pressure abruptly drops to zero (in fact, to atmospheric pressure). The cartridge case, having done it's job to seal the chamber, has more "work" to do. It must spring away from the chamber walls so it may be extracted. If it does not, it will be a bi___ to remove from the gun. If it fails to spring back from the chamber walls sufficiently, it will seem to be a little "sticky". If it does not spring back at all, it will take the hot hammers of hell to remove it.

In order for the cartridge case to perform it's tricky tasks again and again, it must have it's properties restored from time to time. One of these properties is it's physical dimensions. These are restored each time the case is resized. When a cartridge case is full-length resized, every dimension except the overall case length is restored. Principally, the diameters of the case and the case's shoulder are restored.

Sometimes only the case neck is resized to original factory dimensions. This is due to the fact the cartridge brass has a certain resiliency and is able to spring back to a size which approximates it's original size. It will still fit into the chamber of the gun it was fired in, but it may not fit in another gun, which to all intents and purposes is "identical" in every respect, except that it's chamber may be slightly smaller. As long as the cartridges are used in the same gun after each neck sizing, no trouble will be encountered. Ammunition loaded from brass which has been neck sized only, may group appreciably tighter. I say may, because there are so many variables that only you can determine which is the best combination of components, processes and techniques for your gun.

Each time the case is fired and reloaded, changes occur in it's structure. Except for the obvious changes in dimensions, these changes are not discernable to the "naked-eye". The important changes occur at the molecular level in the brass itself.

Properties of Cartridge Cases

A finished cartridge case is made so that the hardness of the metal varies over it's length. It must be "hard" in some places and "soft" in others. In order to make brass hard, it must be "worked" or, in a crude sense, "hammered".

Most metals "work harden" as they are formed, and brass is no different. The term "work" means that the fine granular structure of the metal is placed under stress and changes as a result of forming or shaping. These stresses remain in the metal in the form of changes to it's grain structure. (This is somewhat oversimplified, but is accurate as far as it goes).

The metallic "grains" can actually be seen if the brass is etched in an acid solution and examined under a microscope with the proper lighting conditions -- obviously a laboratory job, and not a subject which I will take up here. When the grains become too fine, the metal will easily crack. However, there are ways to discern the general condition of the metals structure without a laboratory examination.

The cartridge case, as it comes from the factory, is not one single hardness over it's entire length. The neck, which must hold the bullet in place with sufficient holding power to prevent it's setback while undergoing recoil (as it is stored in a magazine or clip), is somewhat "soft" compared to the head of the case.

By "soft" I do not mean to imply that it is like "dough" or soft like an aluminum beer can. It is "soft" only in comparison to the head of the case. On the other hand, the head of the case is not "hard" like a ball bearing is hard -- it is only "hard" enough to do it's job and no more. If it is too hard or soft, in the wrong places, the cartridge case will fail, and your first indication of this disaster may be a cloud of gun parts flying in into your face. Such a rapid disassembly of a gun is usually attributed to "an overloaded cartridge," but just as well be from a normally loaded cartridge (developing normal pressures) whose case failed rather catastrophically, and, I might add, rather suddenly, because it had lost it's necessary properties.

How hard is "hard", and how "soft" is "soft"? It is not a question which is easily answered, and I will waffle a bit during the explanation. Normally you will use a cartridge case until it is no longer serviceable because of two main reasons: the case necks will become too thin from repeated sizing and trimming operations, or the necks start splitting. In the first case, you will probably detect the thinning by simply looking at the case necks. Your experience will tell you that they are not "right" and that it is time to get a new batch of brass. In the second case, you will spot the split necks as soon as they are extracted from the gun, or possibly during some inspection step during reloading.

If there are only a couple of splits in a batch of brass, you will begin watching it closely (as the neck splits are not particularly dangerous) and occasionally (and unconsciously) touching your wallet as you contemplate the purchase of a new batch of brass.

The reason for the case neck splitting is that the necks have become to hard and are not able to take the expansion and contraction accompanying the rapid pressure excursion which occurs within the case when it is fired.

The thinning of the case necks occurs when the cases are repeatedly resized. Each time the case is run into the sizing die, it is squeezed back to it's original dimensions. That is, the brass is moved from one dimension to a smaller one. You have heard the old adage, "you can't put two pounds of stuff (original word omitted), into a one pound bag". The same holds true here, also. When the case is squeezed, the "extra" brass has to go somewhere. The somewhere that it goes to, is "out the front". The case gets longer. The "extra" brass comes from the body and shoulder of the case -- eventually, the case will "run out of the extra bras". As the case gets too long, it will have to be trimmed. When the necks get too thin, the cases will have to scrapped.

Another thing that happens during the resizing also contributes to the hardening of case necks. As the brass is squeezed back to it's original dimensions, it is work hardened even more. Each trip through the chamber and the resizing die contributes to the work hardening of the case necks. The usual method of correcting this condition is to anneal the case necks only.

Factors Affecting the Annealing Process

You might assume that brass is brass and that a little heat can't possibly hurt anything. After all, the heat in the chamber is actually hot enough to melt steel, isn't it? Yes, it is. But, the "fire" and attendant heat are of such short duration that the brass (including the chamber and barrel) are virtually unaffected. In order to change the grain structure, time (as well as temperature) is an important component. After too much heat and-or too much time, the brass will be over annealed. It will be too soft, and the entire case will be affected.

The trick is to heat the neck just to the point where the grain structure becomes sufficiently large enough to give the case a springy property, leaving the body changed but little, and the head of the case virtually unchanged.

Brass is an excellent conductor of heat. A flame applied at any point on a case for a short time will cause the rest of the case to heat very quickly. There are several temperatures at which brass is affected. Also, the time the brass remains at a given temperature will have an effect. Brass which has been "work hardened" (sometimes referred to as "cold worked") is unaffected by temperatures up to 482 degrees (F) regardless of the time it is left at this temperature. Remember, water boils at 212 degrees (F), and oil heated in a frying pan easily reaches 500(F) or more degrees. (All temperatures will be in Fahrenheit).

At about 495 degrees (F) some changes in grain structure begins to occur, although the brass remains about as hard as before -- it would take a laboratory analysis to see the changes that take place at this temperature.

If cases are heated to about 600 degrees (F) for one hour, they will be thoroughly annealed -- head and body included. That is, they will be ruined. (For a temperature comparison, pure lead melts at 621.3 degrees (F)).

The critical time and temperature at which the grain structure reforms into something suitable for case necks is 662 degrees (F) for some 15 minutes. A higher temperature, say from 750 to 800 degrees, will do the same job in a few seconds. If brass is allowed to reach temperatures higher than this (regardless of the time), it will be made irretrievably and irrevocably too soft. Brass will begin to glow a faint orange at about 950 degrees (F). Even if the heating is stopped at a couple of hundred degrees below this temperature, the damage has been done -- it will be too soft. From this discussion we can see that there are four considerations concerning time and temperature:

1> Due to conduction, the amount of heat necessary to sufficiently anneal the case neck is great enough to ruin the rest of the case.
2> If the case necks are exposed to heat for a sufficient period of time, a lower temperature can be used.
3> The longer the case necks are exposed to heat, the greater the possibility that too much heat will be conducted into the body and head, thereby ruining the cases.
4> The higher the temperature, the less time the case necks will be exposed to heat, and there will be insufficient time for heat to be conducted into the body and head.

You can see that there are a couple of catch-22's involved in this annealing business. On the one hand, the brass conducts heat quite rapidly, and a fairly high temperature with sufficient time must be attained to do the job. On the other hand, too much time cancels the effect, and we will be left with a case that is too soft and not suitable for anything but scrap. Obviously, there must be a solution; otherwise, not even the cartridge manufacturers could get the job done.

In order to solve the problems of automatic case annealing, we will need to accomplish the following:

1> Control the time the case neck will be heated.
2> Control the amount of heat delivered to the case neck.
3> Cause the case to turn at a constant rate while it is being heated so that the heat is applied evenly around the neck.
4> Prevent, or sufficiently limit, the conduction of heat into the case head
Add to the above list the additional frills listed below, and you'll be in hog heaven:
5> The annealer must be easy to set up.
6> The annealer must be simple and easy to maintain.
7> The process must be "dry" -- that is, the brass should not become wet and have to be dried before reloading.
8> The annealing process must be easy... it must not require expensive testing equipment or unusual skills and knowledge.
9> The annealing process must be fairly quick. The machine operator should be able to anneal several hundred cases per hour.
10> The process must be repeatable and predictable. Cases must be uniform from case to case, as well as from session to session.

Over Annealing and Under Annealing

When cartridge brass is under annealed, virtually nothing has changed. If your case necks have become work hardened, they will still be work hardened, You will not see any improvement in case life or in accuracy. You will assume (incorrectly) that annealing is a waste of time and in this case, it is.

Over annealing is certainly the worst condition, and can even be dangerous, as pointed out above. Over annealing has two aspects: over annealing of the case neck only, and any annealing of the lower half of the case. There is no particular danger to over annealing the case necks, which is the usual result of standing the brass in water and heating the necks with a torch. All that will happen is that your accuracy will not improve, or it may become worse, and the cases may seem to be a little more sticky during extraction. Case life will be improved because the necks are soft -- too soft. However, you will conclude that annealing is not what it is cracked-up to be, and may even be a waste of time.

Any annealing whatsoever of the cartridge base is over annealing and is dangerous. This area of the brass must retain the properties it had when it left the factory. If it is made the least bit softer, let alone "dead" soft, the stage is set for another shooter's nightmare. At the very least, you may get a whiff of hot gas directed toward your face. At the worst, you can be seriously injured as your gun behaves more like a hand grenade than a firearm.

I once heard a tale of a gentleman who placed his brass on a cookie tray and placed the whole batch in an oven at 650 degrees for over an hour. He wasn't hurt -- at least seriously. His attitude toward annealing is very negative.

Cartridge brass which has been annealed over it's entire length will exhibit signs of excessive pressure even with moderate and reduced loads. Indeed, cases in this condition are subjected to excessive pressures. Any pressure is excessive. Head separation, incipient head separation , stuck or sticky cases, blown primers, swollen cases, swollen case heads, enlarged primer pockets) I mean R-E-A-L-L-Y enlarged) and just about every other sign of excessive pressure imaginable can occur with cases which have been annealed over their entire length.

Testing Cartridge Brass for Hardness / Softness

This is not a definitive test of case hardness; it is more of an illustration than anything else. It requires a pair of small Vice-Grips and a few bottle neck rifle cases in various conditions of use: a factory fresh empty case, two cases that have not split but have been fired many times, and a couple of extra cases to set the jaws of the Vice Grips.

Place one of the used cases base down in a shallow tray containing water up to the lower 1/3rd of the case, and deliberately over-heat the case neck -- bring it to a red heat.

Adjust the Vice-Grips until the jaws barely touch the case neck when they are fully closed. Then, Carefully adjust them to go a few thousands of an inch beyond that point. The jaws should close until you can just barely visibly detect that the case mouth is deformed when the Vice-Grips are closed.

Ordinary pliers are not good for this demonstration because it is too easy to go too far. Vice-Grips, on the other hand, have an adjustable limit to which they can be closed.

Squeeze the neck of the used, but un-annealed case. Note the pressure required. Also note that when the pressure is released, the case neck springs back to it's original shape.

Squeeze the neck of the factory fresh case. Once again note that the case neck springs back to it's original shape, and that it takes slightly less pressure to deform it than the un-annealed case.

Now, squeeze the annealed case. The pressure to deform it is markedly less and when it is released, the case mouth remains deformed -- no spring.

One more test -- stand the annealed case on a metal plate (no water over the base) and heat the upper half to a red heat. Hold the heat for a few seconds and then let it cool. Adjust the Vice-Grips so that they can put considerable squeeze on the head area and crush the annealed case. Now crush one of the normal used cases. The difference is dramatic. Don't test an over annealed case in a gun just to see what happens -- take my word for it, the results can be dangerous to life, limb and eye, not to mention the condition of the gun. Now crush all of the test cases so that they won't get mixed in with some good stuff.

If you are a chemist or a metallurgist and know how to do it, you can make some photomicrographs of sections taken from the various critical points of several cases for reference. Of coarse, you could have been out on the range having a good time instead of fussing with such things, but to each his own.

Selecting the Proper Torches

Almost everyone has a propane torch. They are pretty handy gadgets to have around the house. You will need two of these torches for the BC-1000 Cartridge Case Annealer. Before you go out and buy another torch or two, we need to have a brief discussion on torches. There are torches, and then there are torches.

Some of the older type torches have large burner tips and very crude fuel control systems. Most of the newer torches have very efficient tips and fuel valves that are quite precise. The newer torch tips are small in diameter -- about 1/2 inch -- while most of the older models are in the 5/8ths inch range. There is nothing wrong with the older style torches, and you will find that they can perform quite well. However, if your torch's flame is hard to control, the tip "spits" or "flares", or the tip has become too deformed because of being dropped a few times too often and no longer delivers an even flame, some new torches may be in order.

I happen to favor the BernzOmatic Model JTH-7 torch. The tip is efficient, and the valve is not too sensitive. Any equivalent torch will do nicely as long as the tip will fit through the torch holder. This torch will deliver about 4200 BTU.

Preparing The Brass for Annealing

The brass does not require any special preparation before it can be annealed. However, you will need a few polished cases in order to determine the correct temperature. This is important if you want first class results. If your first batch of brass will be pistol brass, don't use plated cases for the testing. Plated cases anneal just fine, but you will not be able to see the color of the brass as it heats up under that shiny coating of nickel.

If you have a polisher, polish the brass before annealing it. If you do not have a polisher, use a little Brasso or other brass polish on a dozen or so cases Polish them about half way down the case by putting a little Brasso on a soft cloth and turning them by hand. If you have a polisher, I don't need to tell you how to polish the brass.

One more thing - I know this goes without saying, but I'll say it any way:


Make Sure There Are NO Live Primers OR Charged Cases in the Annealer !!

Place one of the polished cartridge cases in a hole near the flame and let it go around the wheel and drop out. This will take a few seconds so be patient. If you are using a rimmed, semi-rimmed or belted case, it will have to be fed from the bottom of the shell wheel and held until the base can be dropped on the feed ramp. Rimless and rebated cases can be fed from the top.

It should be noted that one of the purposes of the shell wheel is to preheat the case as well as provide a heat sink to keep them from being over heated. All cases should be fed into the shell wheel in the area of the feed ramp. Starting the cases too close to the flame will not give them time to preheat to 212 degrees (F).

On a bottle neck rifle case, the central portion of the flame should be on the case neck, and the outer portions of the flame will "wash" over the shoulder and down the side of the case for a short distance. As the cartridge goes around the wheel, it will turn, causing the entire periphery of the neck to be exposed to the direct flame at one time or another.

With this setup, the neck will actually reach a temperature between 750 and 800 degrees. Remember, it is time and temperature that does the job. We have raised the temperature sufficiently to be able to anneal the case necks in 6 to 8 seconds.

The shoulder will be a bit cooler than the neck, and the body cooler yet. The case head will be below 300 degrees (F), which is well below the critical temperature of 482 degrees (F) at which the first changes in grain structure can occur.

As the case progresses through the flame, watch it closely. You will detect a slight -- barely perceptible -- change in color. As the exits the flame, there should be a light bluish color which develops at the shoulder or a little below it, while the shine remains on the case body. The loss of the shine is a clue that the case got a little too hot. On bottle necked cases you will see that the neck turns to a noticeably deeper "gold" color.

If the shine is gone, the flame can be adjusted or the angles of one or both torches can be changed so the case is not in the flame as long. The height of one of the torches may be changes so that the cases are not in the hottest part of the flame. The color will usually develop as the case is in the last flame.

If the cases do not develop any color at all, then increase the intensity of the flame or adjust the flames so that they play more directly on the case necks, or a combination of the two.

In any case, you are very much more likely to over anneal than to under anneal.

Do not expect that the color will be as dark as it appears on military cases. This darkness of the color on military cases occurs over a period of time, as do the delicate reds and purples around the dark color. If you leave one of your cases sitting out for a few months, it will begin to take on the same appearance that military cases have.

If the cases have lost their shine, they were close to a red heat and and may or may not be too soft. You can gauge the softness to some degree by using the Vice-Grip "test" described above. If the case mouth doesn't spring back after being slightly deformed, the case is trash. Don't waste your time with it.

When you get the faint blue color and the shine remains on the case, you have everything adjusted to perfection. Start stuffing those little brass cases in those little round holes until your done. Make mental note of your set-up, and you'll be able to repeat it in about three minutes the next time you are ready to anneal.

When To Anneal

Ok, now that you know how to anneal, you need to know when to anneal. If you shoot light loads, you can go a long time between annealing. Moderate loads will necessitate annealing a little more often. Normal loads will work harden the case after an amazingly short time. Hot or maximum loads will require annealing very often -- something on the order of once after every two to four firings.

You must also consider that some work hardening occurs when the brass is resized, so the number of firings do not tell the whole story. Another consideration is the chamber size of your gun. If you have a "loose" chamber, you will expand your brass more. It will need to be squeezed more when it is resized, thereby causing it to be worked a little more than "normal".

Another indicator is the opening up of your groups. When you start getting fliers and abnormally large groups, check your case necks along with all of the other variables; it may be time to anneal. If your a chemist or metallurgist, you could acid-etch a case neck and microscopically inspect the grain size.

In the end, it will be your own experience that will determine the frequency of annealing -- just like every other aspect of handloading, there are many variables which are peculiar to your particular problems, methods, techniques, loads, components and guns. You are the final judge.

The next question is, should cases be annealed before reforming? I will let Mr. Earl Naramore answer that Question ("Principles & Practices of Reloading", Small Arms Technical Publishing Company, 1954):

As to whether cases should be annealed prior to re-forming them to some wildcat shape, much depends upon circumstances. Re-forming such cases in an ordinary resizing die puts a crushing force on them and I fear that if this cock-eyed method is used, the annealing would only make the crushing of the cases easier. But if a preliminary break-down die is used, there would probably be an advantage to annealing before the re-forming is done; it depends on the force of the break-down die, the nature of the case, and such.

If cases are annealed for re-forming, the angle of the flame should be set back and it should be carried to a point where the shine on the cases disappears. Following the annealing, the cases should be polished again outside before any sizing is done on them. The loss of shine means that the surface is oxidizing and such a surface will give excessive resistance in a die. It is doubtful if one would have enough of these special cases to justify mechanical washing or polishing and a little rubbing up with Bon-Ami on a wet cloth will do. It will be recalled that washing and water polishing follow every anneal during manufacture of cartridge cases. [Mr. Narmore devoted quite a bit of space to this subject in his classic book].

If you are forming brass and have definite instructions as to when, where and how much to anneal, by all means, follow the instructions that you have been given. The "instructions" above are more in the form of "guidelines" rather than definite instructions.

The last question is, "Do I anneal before resizing, or after"? Theoretically annealing does not change the diameter of the case neck. In practice, it may or may not, depending on how much the metal is stressed. Therefore, you should always anneal before resizing.
Ken Light

artridge Case Annealing

"Properly" annealed cartridge cases are essential to maintaining accuracy and long case life when using handloaded ammunition. The question is, what is "properly" annealed? What does annealing do? Can a cartridge case be over annealed? What part of the case should be annealed? Can annealing a cartridge case make it dangerous? Below, you will find the answers to these questions, as well as a number of other questions that you didn't ask.

A great deal has been written about cartridge case annealing in the popular gun press. A great deal of what has been written about annealing is misleading, with one exception: articles and books by Dean A. Grennell. In his "The ABC's of Reloading" (page 190), Mr. Grennell correctly describes the procedure. Although it is a very short description, it is correct. There is one slight error of fact, but it is on the side of safety and Mr. Grennell cannot be faulted for this in any way. In fact, if you do not have this book I recommend it -- even for "experienced" handloaders. There is much valuable information in it, much of it overlooked in other publications. The photo's are profuse and excellent, the explanation clear and concise, and the writing is witty and wry.

After wading through this weighty tome, you will know more about annealing and cartridge brass than you probably bargained for.

Few handloaders ever bother to anneal their brass. The few that do are usually dyed-in-the-wool "gun cranks" (to use a rather archaic term from the 1940's), "crazy experimenters" or shooters who are involved in some form of competitive shooting. There is good reason for this, too -- until now, annealing cartridge brass was, at best, a spotty proposition. The brass is either over annealed, under annealed, improperly annealed or some combination of all three. Annealing brass is time consuming, and for the most part, the damn stuff doesn't seem to shoot any better than before it was annealed. Sure, the brass lasts longer, but it does not seem to make any improvements in accuracy. If anything, it might seem to open up groups. So much for the way you used to think about annealing.

Now let's find out about doing it right. Not only will annealing make the brass last up to 10 times longer, but it will tighten up those groups too.

Before I go into the why's and whereof of cartridge brass and the right way to anneal, let's review the traditional methods of annealing, the attendant disaster, and how they occur.

The "Old Methods"

The usual procedure is to get a pan, something like a cookie pan, and place enough water water in the bottom of it to cover the lower one-third to one-half of the brass. Next the cartridges are stood on their bases in the water. A flame from a propane torch is played over the case necks until the brass "just begins to glow" or "just before it begins to glow". When the magic moment is reached, the annealing is abruptly arrested by knocking over the heated case into the water. The fact that the case neck is heated unevenly and the case-to-case heating is hardly uniform doesn't seem to get much notice.

The reason for the water is that the bases of the cases must not be annealed, or even heated to any appreciable amount, for reasons you will learn about later on.

Another method is to dip the case mouths into molten lead that is at the "correct temperature. Of coarse, there are the problems of lead sticking to the case (soldering), holding the case, and preventing the base from becoming over heated. This process is obviously one for Superman: he could hold the case with his fingers of steel and freeze the base by blowing his supersonic breath over it.

Quite frankly, I have never seen anyone use the lead pot method of annealing although I have read many articles describing it. I think I can see why it is not a popular method. The next method is described by Earl Naramore in his "Principles and Practices of Loading Ammunition" (circa 1954).

First the cases are polished and then placed on a small block of wood or metal. The case is placed on the platform and a flame from a suitable torch is played over the neck as the block is turned. This continues until the brass has a slight color change, and then the flame is removed. The flame must be hot enough so that the neck is heated sufficiently fast enough to prevent the base from heating to a critical point.

Needless to say, this procedure will work fairly well, but requires a high degree of skill. It is also very S-L-O-W! Can you imagine having to anneal several hundred cases using this method? Another drawback to this method is that you will have a decided lack of uniformity on the periphery of the case neck, and the case-to-case results will be even less uniform. So much for the "old methods".

Cartridge Cases

Our present day cartridge cases represent over one hundred years of continued development and refinement. Cartridge cases are manufactured to exacting standards and tolerances from brass made especially for the purpose.

A cartridge case starts life as a strip of brass. It goes through a number of processes on it's way from brass strip to finished cartridge case. It is punched, heated, cooled, cupped, washed, drawn, annealed, formed, "upset" and trimmed and polished, though not necessarily in that order, and I have left out a significant number of steps. Suffice it to say, the manufacture of cartridge brass is involved and exacting. What we get is truly a marvel of manufacturing magic.

Cartridge brass is annealed several times during the manufacturing process. Each step is carefully controlled, and the brass is tested and examined with sophisticated equipment.

As delivered, a cartridge case has a number of properties especially suited for the job it must perform. Most shooters think of the cartridge case merely as a convenient way of keeping the bullet, primer and powder from getting all mixed up and a handy way of stuffing them all into the gun in the proper sequence. As Rodney Dangerfield might say, "It don't get no respect".

The Cartridge Case Inside The Gun

Actually, a cartridge case is the primary component with which we have to deal in handloading ! Not only that, but it is the cartridge case which seals the chamber when the gun is fired. If it weren't for the amazing ability properties of the cartridge case, you would get a hot blast of gas in your face every time you pulled the trigger.

After the trigger is pulled, the powder is ignited and creates gas pressure inside the case. Under pressure, the case expands. The outer walls of the cartridge case press against the walls of the chamber. As the pressure builds up (as high as 55,000 pounds per square inch or more in a rifle), the outer walls of the case press tighter and tighter. The more pressure, the better the seal (up to a point, of coarse). The primer, held securely at it's outer walls by the same pressure, and pressing against the bolt face (assuming we're still talking about a rifle), does it's part to seal the breach, even though it's primary job is completed by this time.

As the bullet speeds down the bore, the pressure begins to drop. Finally, the bullet clears the muzzle and the pressure abruptly drops to zero (in fact, to atmospheric pressure). The cartridge case, having done it's job to seal the chamber, has more "work" to do. It must spring away from the chamber walls so it may be extracted. If it does not, it will be a bi___ to remove from the gun. If it fails to spring back from the chamber walls sufficiently, it will seem to be a little "sticky". If it does not spring back at all, it will take the hot hammers of hell to remove it.

In order for the cartridge case to perform it's tricky tasks again and again, it must have it's properties restored from time to time. One of these properties is it's physical dimensions. These are restored each time the case is resized. When a cartridge case is full-length resized, every dimension except the overall case length is restored. Principally, the diameters of the case and the case's shoulder are restored.

Sometimes only the case neck is resized to original factory dimensions. This is due to the fact the cartridge brass has a certain resiliency and is able to spring back to a size which approximates it's original size. It will still fit into the chamber of the gun it was fired in, but it may not fit in another gun, which to all intents and purposes is "identical" in every respect, except that it's chamber may be slightly smaller. As long as the cartridges are used in the same gun after each neck sizing, no trouble will be encountered. Ammunition loaded from brass which has been neck sized only, may group appreciably tighter. I say may, because there are so many variables that only you can determine which is the best combination of components, processes and techniques for your gun.

Each time the case is fired and reloaded, changes occur in it's structure. Except for the obvious changes in dimensions, these changes are not discernable to the "naked-eye". The important changes occur at the molecular level in the brass itself.

Properties of Cartridge Cases

A finished cartridge case is made so that the hardness of the metal varies over it's length. It must be "hard" in some places and "soft" in others. In order to make brass hard, it must be "worked" or, in a crude sense, "hammered".

Most metals "work harden" as they are formed, and brass is no different. The term "work" means that the fine granular structure of the metal is placed under stress and changes as a result of forming or shaping. These stresses remain in the metal in the form of changes to it's grain structure. (This is somewhat oversimplified, but is accurate as far as it goes).

The metallic "grains" can actually be seen if the brass is etched in an acid solution and examined under a microscope with the proper lighting conditions -- obviously a laboratory job, and not a subject which I will take up here. When the grains become too fine, the metal will easily crack. However, there are ways to discern the general condition of the metals structure without a laboratory examination.

The cartridge case, as it comes from the factory, is not one single hardness over it's entire length. The neck, which must hold the bullet in place with sufficient holding power to prevent it's setback while undergoing recoil (as it is stored in a magazine or clip), is somewhat "soft" compared to the head of the case.

By "soft" I do not mean to imply that it is like "dough" or soft like an aluminum beer can. It is "soft" only in comparison to the head of the case. On the other hand, the head of the case is not "hard" like a ball bearing is hard -- it is only "hard" enough to do it's job and no more. If it is too hard or soft, in the wrong places, the cartridge case will fail, and your first indication of this disaster may be a cloud of gun parts flying in into your face. Such a rapid disassembly of a gun is usually attributed to "an overloaded cartridge," but just as well be from a normally loaded cartridge (developing normal pressures) whose case failed rather catastrophically, and, I might add, rather suddenly, because it had lost it's necessary properties.

How hard is "hard", and how "soft" is "soft"? It is not a question which is easily answered, and I will waffle a bit during the explanation. Normally you will use a cartridge case until it is no longer serviceable because of two main reasons: the case necks will become too thin from repeated sizing and trimming operations, or the necks start splitting. In the first case, you will probably detect the thinning by simply looking at the case necks. Your experience will tell you that they are not "right" and that it is time to get a new batch of brass. In the second case, you will spot the split necks as soon as they are extracted from the gun, or possibly during some inspection step during reloading.

If there are only a couple of splits in a batch of brass, you will begin watching it closely (as the neck splits are not particularly dangerous) and occasionally (and unconsciously) touching your wallet as you contemplate the purchase of a new batch of brass.

The reason for the case neck splitting is that the necks have become to hard and are not able to take the expansion and contraction accompanying the rapid pressure excursion which occurs within the case when it is fired.

The thinning of the case necks occurs when the cases are repeatedly resized. Each time the case is run into the sizing die, it is squeezed back to it's original dimensions. That is, the brass is moved from one dimension to a smaller one. You have heard the old adage, "you can't put two pounds of stuff (original word omitted), into a one pound bag". The same holds true here, also. When the case is squeezed, the "extra" brass has to go somewhere. The somewhere that it goes to, is "out the front". The case gets longer. The "extra" brass comes from the body and shoulder of the case -- eventually, the case will "run out of the extra bras". As the case gets too long, it will have to be trimmed. When the necks get too thin, the cases will have to scrapped.

Another thing that happens during the resizing also contributes to the hardening of case necks. As the brass is squeezed back to it's original dimensions, it is work hardened even more. Each trip through the chamber and the resizing die contributes to the work hardening of the case necks. The usual method of correcting this condition is to anneal the case necks only.
 
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Part II

Factors Affecting the Annealing Process

You might assume that brass is brass and that a little heat can't possibly hurt anything. After all, the heat in the chamber is actually hot enough to melt steel, isn't it? Yes, it is. But, the "fire" and attendant heat are of such short duration that the brass (including the chamber and barrel) are virtually unaffected. In order to change the grain structure, time (as well as temperature) is an important component. After too much heat and-or too much time, the brass will be over annealed. It will be too soft, and the entire case will be affected.

The trick is to heat the neck just to the point where the grain structure becomes sufficiently large enough to give the case a springy property, leaving the body changed but little, and the head of the case virtually unchanged.

Brass is an excellent conductor of heat. A flame applied at any point on a case for a short time will cause the rest of the case to heat very quickly. There are several temperatures at which brass is affected. Also, the time the brass remains at a given temperature will have an effect. Brass which has been "work hardened" (sometimes referred to as "cold worked") is unaffected by temperatures up to 482 degrees (F) regardless of the time it is left at this temperature. Remember, water boils at 212 degrees (F), and oil heated in a frying pan easily reaches 500(F) or more degrees. (All temperatures will be in Fahrenheit).

At about 495 degrees (F) some changes in grain structure begins to occur, although the brass remains about as hard as before -- it would take a laboratory analysis to see the changes that take place at this temperature.

If cases are heated to about 600 degrees (F) for one hour, they will be thoroughly annealed -- head and body included. That is, they will be ruined. (For a temperature comparison, pure lead melts at 621.3 degrees (F)).

The critical time and temperature at which the grain structure reforms into something suitable for case necks is 662 degrees (F) for some 15 minutes. A higher temperature, say from 750 to 800 degrees, will do the same job in a few seconds. If brass is allowed to reach temperatures higher than this (regardless of the time), it will be made irretrievably and irrevocably too soft. Brass will begin to glow a faint orange at about 950 degrees (F). Even if the heating is stopped at a couple of hundred degrees below this temperature, the damage has been done -- it will be too soft. From this discussion we can see that there are four considerations concerning time and temperature:

1> Due to conduction, the amount of heat necessary to sufficiently anneal the case neck is great enough to ruin the rest of the case.
2> If the case necks are exposed to heat for a sufficient period of time, a lower temperature can be used.
3> The longer the case necks are exposed to heat, the greater the possibility that too much heat will be conducted into the body and head, thereby ruining the cases.
4> The higher the temperature, the less time the case necks will be exposed to heat, and there will be insufficient time for heat to be conducted into the body and head.

You can see that there are a couple of catch-22's involved in this annealing business. On the one hand, the brass conducts heat quite rapidly, and a fairly high temperature with sufficient time must be attained to do the job. On the other hand, too much time cancels the effect, and we will be left with a case that is too soft and not suitable for anything but scrap. Obviously, there must be a solution; otherwise, not even the cartridge manufacturers could get the job done.

In order to solve the problems of automatic case annealing, we will need to accomplish the following:

1> Control the time the case neck will be heated.
2> Control the amount of heat delivered to the case neck.
3> Cause the case to turn at a constant rate while it is being heated so that the heat is applied evenly around the neck.
4> Prevent, or sufficiently limit, the conduction of heat into the case head
Add to the above list the additional frills listed below, and you'll be in hog heaven:
5> The annealer must be easy to set up.
6> The annealer must be simple and easy to maintain.
7> The process must be "dry" -- that is, the brass should not become wet and have to be dried before reloading.
8> The annealing process must be easy... it must not require expensive testing equipment or unusual skills and knowledge.
9> The annealing process must be fairly quick. The machine operator should be able to anneal several hundred cases per hour.
10> The process must be repeatable and predictable. Cases must be uniform from case to case, as well as from session to session.

Over Annealing and Under Annealing

When cartridge brass is under annealed, virtually nothing has changed. If your case necks have become work hardened, they will still be work hardened, You will not see any improvement in case life or in accuracy. You will assume (incorrectly) that annealing is a waste of time and in this case, it is.

Over annealing is certainly the worst condition, and can even be dangerous, as pointed out above. Over annealing has two aspects: over annealing of the case neck only, and any annealing of the lower half of the case. There is no particular danger to over annealing the case necks, which is the usual result of standing the brass in water and heating the necks with a torch. All that will happen is that your accuracy will not improve, or it may become worse, and the cases may seem to be a little more sticky during extraction. Case life will be improved because the necks are soft -- too soft. However, you will conclude that annealing is not what it is cracked-up to be, and may even be a waste of time.

Any annealing whatsoever of the cartridge base is over annealing and is dangerous. This area of the brass must retain the properties it had when it left the factory. If it is made the least bit softer, let alone "dead" soft, the stage is set for another shooter's nightmare. At the very least, you may get a whiff of hot gas directed toward your face. At the worst, you can be seriously injured as your gun behaves more like a hand grenade than a firearm.

I once heard a tale of a gentleman who placed his brass on a cookie tray and placed the whole batch in an oven at 650 degrees for over an hour. He wasn't hurt -- at least seriously. His attitude toward annealing is very negative.

Cartridge brass which has been annealed over it's entire length will exhibit signs of excessive pressure even with moderate and reduced loads. Indeed, cases in this condition are subjected to excessive pressures. Any pressure is excessive. Head separation, incipient head separation , stuck or sticky cases, blown primers, swollen cases, swollen case heads, enlarged primer pockets) I mean R-E-A-L-L-Y enlarged) and just about every other sign of excessive pressure imaginable can occur with cases which have been annealed over their entire length.

Testing Cartridge Brass for Hardness / Softness

This is not a definitive test of case hardness; it is more of an illustration than anything else. It requires a pair of small Vice-Grips and a few bottle neck rifle cases in various conditions of use: a factory fresh empty case, two cases that have not split but have been fired many times, and a couple of extra cases to set the jaws of the Vice Grips.

Place one of the used cases base down in a shallow tray containing water up to the lower 1/3rd of the case, and deliberately over-heat the case neck -- bring it to a red heat.

Adjust the Vice-Grips until the jaws barely touch the case neck when they are fully closed. Then, Carefully adjust them to go a few thousands of an inch beyond that point. The jaws should close until you can just barely visibly detect that the case mouth is deformed when the Vice-Grips are closed.

Ordinary pliers are not good for this demonstration because it is too easy to go too far. Vice-Grips, on the other hand, have an adjustable limit to which they can be closed.

Squeeze the neck of the used, but un-annealed case. Note the pressure required. Also note that when the pressure is released, the case neck springs back to it's original shape.

Squeeze the neck of the factory fresh case. Once again note that the case neck springs back to it's original shape, and that it takes slightly less pressure to deform it than the un-annealed case.

Now, squeeze the annealed case. The pressure to deform it is markedly less and when it is released, the case mouth remains deformed -- no spring.

One more test -- stand the annealed case on a metal plate (no water over the base) and heat the upper half to a red heat. Hold the heat for a few seconds and then let it cool. Adjust the Vice-Grips so that they can put considerable squeeze on the head area and crush the annealed case. Now crush one of the normal used cases. The difference is dramatic. Don't test an over annealed case in a gun just to see what happens -- take my word for it, the results can be dangerous to life, limb and eye, not to mention the condition of the gun. Now crush all of the test cases so that they won't get mixed in with some good stuff.

If you are a chemist or a metallurgist and know how to do it, you can make some photomicrographs of sections taken from the various critical points of several cases for reference. Of coarse, you could have been out on the range having a good time instead of fussing with such things, but to each his own.

Selecting the Proper Torches

Almost everyone has a propane torch. They are pretty handy gadgets to have around the house. You will need two of these torches for the BC-1000 Cartridge Case Annealer. Before you go out and buy another torch or two, we need to have a brief discussion on torches. There are torches, and then there are torches.

Some of the older type torches have large burner tips and very crude fuel control systems. Most of the newer torches have very efficient tips and fuel valves that are quite precise. The newer torch tips are small in diameter -- about 1/2 inch -- while most of the older models are in the 5/8ths inch range. There is nothing wrong with the older style torches, and you will find that they can perform quite well. However, if your torch's flame is hard to control, the tip "spits" or "flares", or the tip has become too deformed because of being dropped a few times too often and no longer delivers an even flame, some new torches may be in order.

I happen to favor the BernzOmatic Model JTH-7 torch. The tip is efficient, and the valve is not too sensitive. Any equivalent torch will do nicely as long as the tip will fit through the torch holder. This torch will deliver about 4200 BTU.

Preparing The Brass for Annealing

The brass does not require any special preparation before it can be annealed. However, you will need a few polished cases in order to determine the correct temperature. This is important if you want first class results. If your first batch of brass will be pistol brass, don't use plated cases for the testing. Plated cases anneal just fine, but you will not be able to see the color of the brass as it heats up under that shiny coating of nickel.

If you have a polisher, polish the brass before annealing it. If you do not have a polisher, use a little Brasso or other brass polish on a dozen or so cases Polish them about half way down the case by putting a little Brasso on a soft cloth and turning them by hand. If you have a polisher, I don't need to tell you how to polish the brass.

One more thing - I know this goes without saying, but I'll say it any way:


Make Sure There Are NO Live Primers OR Charged Cases in the Annealer !!

Place one of the polished cartridge cases in a hole near the flame and let it go around the wheel and drop out. This will take a few seconds so be patient. If you are using a rimmed, semi-rimmed or belted case, it will have to be fed from the bottom of the shell wheel and held until the base can be dropped on the feed ramp. Rimless and rebated cases can be fed from the top.

It should be noted that one of the purposes of the shell wheel is to preheat the case as well as provide a heat sink to keep them from being over heated. All cases should be fed into the shell wheel in the area of the feed ramp. Starting the cases too close to the flame will not give them time to preheat to 212 degrees (F).

On a bottle neck rifle case, the central portion of the flame should be on the case neck, and the outer portions of the flame will "wash" over the shoulder and down the side of the case for a short distance. As the cartridge goes around the wheel, it will turn, causing the entire periphery of the neck to be exposed to the direct flame at one time or another.

With this setup, the neck will actually reach a temperature between 750 and 800 degrees. Remember, it is time and temperature that does the job. We have raised the temperature sufficiently to be able to anneal the case necks in 6 to 8 seconds.

The shoulder will be a bit cooler than the neck, and the body cooler yet. The case head will be below 300 degrees (F), which is well below the critical temperature of 482 degrees (F) at which the first changes in grain structure can occur.

As the case progresses through the flame, watch it closely. You will detect a slight -- barely perceptible -- change in color. As the exits the flame, there should be a light bluish color which develops at the shoulder or a little below it, while the shine remains on the case body. The loss of the shine is a clue that the case got a little too hot. On bottle necked cases you will see that the neck turns to a noticeably deeper "gold" color.

If the shine is gone, the flame can be adjusted or the angles of one or both torches can be changed so the case is not in the flame as long. The height of one of the torches may be changes so that the cases are not in the hottest part of the flame. The color will usually develop as the case is in the last flame.

If the cases do not develop any color at all, then increase the intensity of the flame or adjust the flames so that they play more directly on the case necks, or a combination of the two.

In any case, you are very much more likely to over anneal than to under anneal.

Do not expect that the color will be as dark as it appears on military cases. This darkness of the color on military cases occurs over a period of time, as do the delicate reds and purples around the dark color. If you leave one of your cases sitting out for a few months, it will begin to take on the same appearance that military cases have.

If the cases have lost their shine, they were close to a red heat and and may or may not be too soft. You can gauge the softness to some degree by using the Vice-Grip "test" described above. If the case mouth doesn't spring back after being slightly deformed, the case is trash. Don't waste your time with it.

When you get the faint blue color and the shine remains on the case, you have everything adjusted to perfection. Start stuffing those little brass cases in those little round holes until your done. Make mental note of your set-up, and you'll be able to repeat it in about three minutes the next time you are ready to anneal.

When To Anneal

Ok, now that you know how to anneal, you need to know when to anneal. If you shoot light loads, you can go a long time between annealing. Moderate loads will necessitate annealing a little more often. Normal loads will work harden the case after an amazingly short time. Hot or maximum loads will require annealing very often -- something on the order of once after every two to four firings.

You must also consider that some work hardening occurs when the brass is resized, so the number of firings do not tell the whole story. Another consideration is the chamber size of your gun. If you have a "loose" chamber, you will expand your brass more. It will need to be squeezed more when it is resized, thereby causing it to be worked a little more than "normal".

Another indicator is the opening up of your groups. When you start getting fliers and abnormally large groups, check your case necks along with all of the other variables; it may be time to anneal. If your a chemist or metallurgist, you could acid-etch a case neck and microscopically inspect the grain size.

In the end, it will be your own experience that will determine the frequency of annealing -- just like every other aspect of handloading, there are many variables which are peculiar to your particular problems, methods, techniques, loads, components and guns. You are the final judge.

The next question is, should cases be annealed before reforming? I will let Mr. Earl Naramore answer that Question ("Principles & Practices of Reloading", Small Arms Technical Publishing Company, 1954):

As to whether cases should be annealed prior to re-forming them to some wildcat shape, much depends upon circumstances. Re-forming such cases in an ordinary resizing die puts a crushing force on them and I fear that if this cock-eyed method is used, the annealing would only make the crushing of the cases easier. But if a preliminary break-down die is used, there would probably be an advantage to annealing before the re-forming is done; it depends on the force of the break-down die, the nature of the case, and such.

If cases are annealed for re-forming, the angle of the flame should be set back and it should be carried to a point where the shine on the cases disappears. Following the annealing, the cases should be polished again outside before any sizing is done on them. The loss of shine means that the surface is oxidizing and such a surface will give excessive resistance in a die. It is doubtful if one would have enough of these special cases to justify mechanical washing or polishing and a little rubbing up with Bon-Ami on a wet cloth will do. It will be recalled that washing and water polishing follow every anneal during manufacture of cartridge cases. [Mr. Narmore devoted quite a bit of space to this subject in his classic book].

If you are forming brass and have definite instructions as to when, where and how much to anneal, by all means, follow the instructions that you have been given. The "instructions" above are more in the form of "guidelines" rather than definite instructions.

The last question is, "Do I anneal before resizing, or after"? Theoretically annealing does not change the diameter of the case neck. In practice, it may or may not, depending on how much the metal is stressed. Therefore, you should always anneal before resizing.
Ken Light

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That is much more than I would ever want to know about annealing. Perhaps that's why I've avoided doing it. Even when I made some 22-250 cases from 30-06 brass.
I do have a question however. If you are using virgin brass, one assumes the neck tension would be fairly uniform. Why would running the brass through a die which merely swages the neck longer suddenly make the neck tension all over the place????
When I opened up some 1X .243 brass to fit a 7-08, it shot into the same group as brass made from .308 brass and store bought 7-08 brass. This was after I fire formed it in my rifle.


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I posted it because there are so many ideas on annealing that I'd really hate to see someone anneal their whole cartridge case accidentally and and blow their rifle up, alone hurting themselves.
 
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Here's a couple of annealing experiences that work very well with my pan of water method. I had a bunch of Norma 220 Swift brass, back in the early 70's. In those days it was very hard to get Swift brass, as the cartridge was just catching on again. I bought a couple hundred cases, and went to loading and shooting. Out of the first 100, 30 split the necks. Then we had a 221 Fireball, and Remington brass we bought from Midway. Of the 1st 100 fired, 50 split the necks. We annealed the cases as I described earlier, and never lost another round. Must be serendipity!! Also, I have found, that forming 22 Jet from 357 Magnum, if I didn't anneal, my cases didn't form correctly.

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thansk for all the replys &thanks for the offer fasteel, but i think i'll make do. gonna try one of the above methods and make a 100 cases. figure i'll chuck the bare minimum of required loading gear in the camper and if i have to take a few hours one evening and reload in the field!

i'll have to try annealling 300 Win Mag brass when i am turning it in to 358 Norma Mag. with necking up to 35 and pushing back the shoulder i was splitting the neck on 1 out of every 4 cases, thinking this could stop that.


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Here's a couple of annealing experiences that work very well with my pan of water method. I had a bunch of Norma 220 Swift brass, back in the early 70's. In those days it was very hard to get Swift brass, as the cartridge was just catching on again. I bought a couple hundred cases, and went to loading and shooting. Out of the first 100, 30 split the necks. Then we had a 221 Fireball, and Remington brass we bought from Midway. Of the 1st 100 fired, 50 split the necks. We annealed the cases as I described earlier, and never lost another round. Must be serendipity!! Also, I have found, that forming 22 Jet from 357 Magnum, if I didn't anneal, my cases didn't form correctly.

Jerry


Remember in my post I said there were exceptions. That 22 Jet from 357 mag would be one.

I was getting split necks in a Finn 39. Annealed the necks and didn't do a thing, was still getting them often. The culprit was my sizer die was sizing the necks does excessively. I opened it up to where I wanted and bingo, split necks disappeared. Split necks aren't always positive signs of the necks needing annealed.
 
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