Is this really a new cartridge with spendy brass ( although mega high quality).. or is it really just the 250 Savage necked up to 6.5 mm???

a little research and that is what I come up with...

anyone else see it that way???

so necked down to 6 mm, it would be a rename of the old 6mm International?

or am I missing something????

Designed primarily for competition, it is a relatively high capacity case for its small primer and flashhole. Supposedly the small primer is one of the main reasons for the PPC family of cartridges accuracy. I'm sure the 6.5x47 will be necked up down and sideways in the search for the "perfect" case.
Larry

You should read 6mmbr.com articles about it.

Take a look at the 6.5 Creedmoor also compared to the 6.5 x 47 Lapua, which is the 30 TC necked down to 6.5. It can be argued that the 30 TC is nothing more than a high velocity loading for the old 300 Savage, which is also related to the 250 case.

Of all the AI cases, the 22-250 and 250 Savage show the greatest percentage of velocity gain over their parent cases. Add a 30 degree shoulder for better feeding, more powder capacity due to higher pressure capable brass, as well as getting most of the long high B.C. 6.5 bullets outside of the case in the short magazines required for the short accurate actions, and running higher pressures than the 250-3000s can run, and you get equal to or superior velocities to what the 308 length cases can do with a little less powder and longer throat and barrel wear.

It has been found that the high B.C. match 6.5 bullets give their best accuracy at a muzzle velocity of between 2,700 and a little better than 2,800 fps, and both the 6.5 x 47 Lapua and the 6.5 Creedmoor develop all the velocity needed for top accuracy in competition with thosebullets, so a larger case capacity works against you in this case and more velocity isn't really desirable. The Creedmoor just gives us American shooters an American cartridge to compete with, if American shooters want to go with American products. The Creedmoor has the standard large rifle primer pocket and flash hole...Rusty.

TT,
Welcome to the forums... I have already been reading at that site.. but thanks for pointing it out for others...

Rusty,

Thanks for your input...yeah, the way I am looking at it, is that they are modifications to the 250 Savage case or the 300 Savage...

I'm gathering the 6.5 x 47 is a 250 Savage with a small primer pocket and a modified shoulder...

The Creedmore is the same case, large rifle primer pocket, different shoulder angle... case maybe shortened to fit into an AR magazine...

Seafire, don't you know all these mfg. just put a few small mods out, patent it, then bring the dollars into Lapua and Hornady instead of Redding and RCBS wildcat dies! Ha, but seriously, you are right, but one cannot deny small improvements albeit significant or not, but brass quality I suspect will be one of the best pros, the Lapua being small primer, Creedmore a large......it is MORE capable of the two driving 139's out to 1k for competition, the 47 can/will, but some shooter are opting for 130's at long range. That Creedmore will get it done with less pressure, bridging the gap between the 47 and 260 or 6.5x55.

I do have to say though, myself being an informal paper puncher usually to 400 yds or so, and not needing nor ever planning to shoot at any game beyond 600 yds, feel that a 47 is a very viable choice. If the Creedmore were out now, dies, and great brass, the edge may go to Hornady's 6.5, but I like thinking of how it would look to have 6.5x47 Lapua stamped on my bbl, so I may well yet have that ctg and from 6mm BR experience, LOVE Lapua brass quality, if it remains as what my old lots of 6BR are like.

Really cannot go wrong. I still like and will use a 260 and 6.5x55, but for all out accuracy and for the ranges I use, the NEW kids on the block are getting serious consideration. IF REM had brass equal of the Lapua, AND the shoulder was at 30 degrees, I doubt we'd have seen Lapua and Hornady jump in, but Rem never has been known of late to get into the 'science' of new products, what us guys here do, they are all about Marketing to the masses, and missed the boat.

I do WONDER if Rem has to pay A-Square any royalty fee as the 6.5-308 A Square was on it's way to SAAMI and Rem went in under the radar with 260, NIGH identical, sneaky company I'll tell you, run by investment firms, not shooters.

DO note you see VERY few rifles in 260 mfg by Rem now, and the industry is seemingly diverting promo away from Rick Jamison Royalty payments on WSM products.

If some quality rifles come out in 6.5 Creedmore and more people who would normally choose a 243, 260, or 7mm-08 would try one with the 120 and 140 Amax, I can only imagine how thrilled they would be with shootability, accuracy, trajectory, killing power, and lack of recoil. Will it happen........well we know the history of the 6.5mm in the US, but has ANY major company put a thrust behind them? Nada.

I requested Beretta to put some Sako's out in 6.5x47. If they do, who do you suppose will be in the front of that line? Yours Truly.

Why a company from Finnland 'SAKO' would not back a Finnish ammo company 'Lapua' I don't know.

Sako should NOT only be in x55 Swedish, but 6mm BR and 6.5x47 PERIOD. BUT, hey we need to give our local gunsmiths some work to do to earn their living too, and I am ok with that....go figure, Sako backed the 338 Federal, a round commercialized by a USA company. Just don't see what went wrong there, as the PPC was made in many Sako's. Well, we all cannot have our cake......

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Originally posted by seafire2:
Is this really a new cartridge with spendy brass or is it really just the 250 Savage necked up to 6.5 mm?

Senor Esseffdoblay, you say that like it's a bad thing...

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Originally posted by nordrseta:

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Originally posted by seafire2:
Is this really a new cartridge with spendy brass or is it really just the 250 Savage necked up to 6.5 mm?

Senor Esseffdoblay, you say that like it's a bad thing...

Nord,

it isn't a bad thing, but if it is just a reforming of the 250 Savage case, then it is easier to get the 250 Savage brass domestically, and form it, than it is to purchase foreign brass shipped in, and then being at the mercy of the supply and distribution system is all...

cheers
seafire

Seafire, I'd like to see Winchester brand brass in 6.5x47, why not? It would be good brass, half the cost....doubt it happens though.

What I do expect you may like, costs will remain to be seen, is Hornady and the new 6.5mm Creedmore.....perhaps the brass will not be sold at a gross premium and Hornady will allow it to flourish.