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Originally posted by Jon Beutler:

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Originally posted by ireload2:

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Originally posted by Cliff Lyle:
I read many posts of shooters telling us why they don't like the WSM but not too many objectively discussing the downside of the family of calibers.
If you don't like a caliber (in this case, the WSM family) it appears to me it would be difficult in being objective while discussing its potential downside.

1. The fat brass takes up more storage space.
2. I don't have any of the fat brass and I have plenty of the earlier brass.
3. Fat brass with no rim would look really dumb in a Sharps.
4. Fat brass might not fit my funnel.
5. Fat brass will not fit my existing loading blocks.
6. I can't find short fats on the ground at the range.
7. I never buy anything that is going to depreciate a lot and fat brass rifles are going to depreciate.
8. The short fats are more difficult to load in a falling block single shot especially with large hands and a scope.
9. Short fats will not work in a Marlin 336.
10. Short fats are not available in large battle packs at a discount.
11. Shorts fats probably will not work with long skinny bullets. Can you imagine a 6.5 short fat with a 160 grn RN? It might be seated against the primer to get it in the magazine.
12. After the bullet leaves the barrel the case does not matter any more.
13. Do any of the short fats use black powder?
14. How about a short fat in a Contender?
15. Short fat in an Encore?
16. Short fat in anything really cheap like an SKS or a Mosin-Nagant?
17. How about building a custom short fat on a classic double square bridge Oberndorf Mauser?
18. Short fat in a double rifle?
19. Short fart in a Mannlicher Schoenauer?
21. No short fat combination guns or drillings?

The short fats do have some design limitations.

This is such a typical response from the "older" folks as mentioned above. I bought my first rifle last year after 25+ years of hunting big game in Utah. I bought a 300WSM in a Sako Finnlight. 1-21 from above dont mean jack to me in that I dont care about a fart in a mannlicher. I wanted a lightweight rifle in a .30 capable of handling elk. The 300WSM does that. IN FACT IT DOES THAT BETTER THAN ANY OTHER .30 IN A LIGHTWEIGHT RIFLE.

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7. I never buy anything that is going to depreciate a lot

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Originally posted by ireload2:

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Originally posted by Jon Beutler:

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Originally posted by ireload2:

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Originally posted by Cliff Lyle:
I read many posts of shooters telling us why they don't like the WSM but not too many objectively discussing the downside of the family of calibers.
If you don't like a caliber (in this case, the WSM family) it appears to me it would be difficult in being objective while discussing its potential downside.

1. The fat brass takes up more storage space.
2. I don't have any of the fat brass and I have plenty of the earlier brass.
3. Fat brass with no rim would look really dumb in a Sharps.
4. Fat brass might not fit my funnel.
5. Fat brass will not fit my existing loading blocks.
6. I can't find short fats on the ground at the range.
7. I never buy anything that is going to depreciate a lot and fat brass rifles are going to depreciate.
8. The short fats are more difficult to load in a falling block single shot especially with large hands and a scope.
9. Short fats will not work in a Marlin 336.
10. Short fats are not available in large battle packs at a discount.
11. Shorts fats probably will not work with long skinny bullets. Can you imagine a 6.5 short fat with a 160 grn RN? It might be seated against the primer to get it in the magazine.
12. After the bullet leaves the barrel the case does not matter any more.
13. Do any of the short fats use black powder?
14. How about a short fat in a Contender?
15. Short fat in an Encore?
16. Short fat in anything really cheap like an SKS or a Mosin-Nagant?
17. How about building a custom short fat on a classic double square bridge Oberndorf Mauser?
18. Short fat in a double rifle?
19. Short fart in a Mannlicher Schoenauer?
21. No short fat combination guns or drillings?

The short fats do have some design limitations.

This is such a typical response from the "older" folks as mentioned above. I bought my first rifle last year after 25+ years of hunting big game in Utah. I bought a 300WSM in a Sako Finnlight. 1-21 from above dont mean jack to me in that I dont care about a fart in a mannlicher. I wanted a lightweight rifle in a .30 capable of handling elk. The 300WSM does that. IN FACT IT DOES THAT BETTER THAN ANY OTHER .30 IN A LIGHTWEIGHT RIFLE.

To some people what you care about means nothing too, regardless of your age or lack there of.
All those reasons are reasons some folks might have fom not needing or wanting a short fat anything. And a lot of those people shoot far more than you and have hunted far more than you.
For their use the questions are valid. There is no magic. It just about what you enjoy. If you look at it only from performance you get only the latest plastic stocked wonder that Walmart stocks.

How about explaining the statement:
I bought my first rifle last year after 25+ years of hunting big game in Utah.
How did you hunt 25 years if you just bought your first rifle. Does that mean you have been using a borrowed rifle? Do you own only one rifle? Do you reload? Are you just a hunting season shooter? Do you shoot a box of ammo per year?