DO NOT wnat/care about performance, information about any other bullets, just these three

Most interested in Remington 55 grain w/cannelure.

Next Nosler 64 grain bonded.

Last Nosler 60 grain Partition

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Originally posted by just-a-hunter:
You have aweful high expectations for this crowd. Even though you're specific in your post it's only a matter of time before somebody lets you know there are better options.
Todd

That's funny, you act like you know this crowd!
Of the bullets you chose I've not any experience on deer with them, however I have shot some of the 64 grain bonded and found them to be very accurate in .223 and 22/250. Like Todd I would be happy to give you a few to try if you need them...
When you rephrase the question and start taking opinions I'll chime in, I've shot lots of deer in my youth with .224 diameter 50 to 70 grain bullets that were absolutely improper for the job but killed deer like crazy.

I won't mention all that deer jerky, deer chorizo and sausage that a 22 LR did in with a poke in the shining eye....or just how great the Sierra 63 gr SMP's and Speer 70 gr SMP's are...or pretty much ALL the Barnes offerings...OR all the edible game that fell to the 55 gr FMJ's....

As always...it's not the caliber or bullet weight that does the trick, it's WHERE YOU POKE IT.

LUCK

I have a 4-foot-10 94 pound great niece that kills her deer every fall with a 22-250 with the 64gr Winchester factory load.

She's not much for ballistics, and MV/ME considerations and neither are the muleys in Malheur country, Oregon.

She pays her college tuition with coyote hides.

Russian steel cased 55 grn.jacketed hollow points work just fine on our White-tailed deer.
At least my great grand daughter thinks they do!

The only bullet of the three that I've personally (well, my grandson) used on deer is the 60 grain Partition out of a .223. One shot to the thorax, deer ran 25 steps. But that's essentially the same result I've seen with every other .22 centerfire bullet used to shoot a deer, so I'm not sure that the example indicates anything unique.

The 55 grain Remington is all you need. If you think you needed more, you made a bad shot and more bullet doesn't correct that. How do I know? That gets very deep into experience with the performance of that bullet. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I've never shot a deer with any .22 but when I lived in WV, I reloaded for several folks that routinely took their deer with .223's and .222"s. Their bullet of choice was a 55gr Rem core lokt. I'm sure the twist in their rifles was 1/14 or 1/12.

Rusty--Nice picture--typical results, 55 grain cup and core in right spot and now sharp knife needed. Great grand daughter happy.

DITTO on that Carpetman1!!!

LUCK

I wouldn't use the Remington bullet. Can it take deer? Sure, but I can afford better bullets and the other two on your list are better. I have used the 60 grain Partition and have loaded them for my grandson who stacks the deer up with them (12-13 in the past 3 years.). His father told me that the deer pile up quicker with my grandson's 223 than they do with his 30-06.Most have dropped in their tracks. I have not yet used the Nosler Bonded but would happily do so.

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Originally posted by TCLouis:
DO NOT wnat/care about performance, information about any other bullets, just these three

Most interested in Remington 55 grain w/cannelure.

Next Nosler 64 grain bonded.

Last Nosler 60 grain Partition

I've killed a bunch with the 55 grain Remingtons in a .22-250. I didn't hand load back then. I'd probably pick whichever of the Noslers shoots better. The Remington didn't hold up as well as I would've liked (always killed the deer but rarely exited).

kjjm---I used both Winchester bulk packed and Remington bulk packed 55 grain bullets, mostly in .223 and some in .222 and one in 22-250. I only recovered two, the rest passed through. The two I did recover were unlikely suspects in that both were somewhat smaller deer and at closer range. In both instances a perfectly mushroomed base was found just under the skin on the off side. Both bases weighed 40 grains which is 72% retention. Both cases the deer dropped in it's track and a .223 was used. I have no doubt that the Noslers would give good performance, but I'm satisfied with just 100% dead. If it aint broke don't fix it.

A longtime friend of mine has two rifles for hunting, both Rem 700s, both rebarrelled. For elk and larger he uses a 30/338; for everything else he uses a 22/6mm. He has used other bullets in it but for deer class in the last ten years he uses the 64 gr Nosler bonded. they routinely produce one bullet to the chest kills, including one "pre-rangefinder" where he held his crosshair a foot over the deer's back, hit it mid chest and the deer dropped. It's a small sample, but he has found the 64 gr bonded to meet all of his expectations- particularly in a rifle that sends them downrange at such high velocities.

I watched a friend's son shoot his first mule deer with a .223 and the 55 gr. Rem. SP. He shot the buck right behind the shoulder and it left about a 1" exit hole in the ribs on the opposite side. It left a good blood trail, and only went about 30-40 yards. You do not say which bullet 55 gr. Rem. bullet you are using, but if it is the SP it should work fine. I have used both the SP and 55 gr. Rem. Cor-Lokt HP bullets on varmints and there is a big difference. The 55 gr. HP is a lot more explosive and I would think would not work nearly as well on deer as the SP.

Did Remington ever make a 55 gr .224" Core-lokt? I suspect we're referring to the 55 gr PSP (pointed soft point) that has a cannelure.

The discontinued 55 gr PLHP (power-lokt HP) is no core-lokt, either. It was very explosive as Dale notes. They, and the 50 gr PLHP, were also very accurate. We used both weights in .22-250 and Swift and even the 55s rarely exited eastern woodchucks.

This is not to say they would not kill deer like lightning with broadside shots. The 52 gr Speer HP was similarly frangible, and two friends each shot trailer-loads of deer with this bullet.

I remember buying a box of Trophy-Bonded .224s for one of them. He loaded them up in a Swift, tried them, concluded the lack of explosiveness mattered alot more than deeper penetration. At the time, I was surprised by this. Not so much now.

No experience with the Remington 55 psp

Nosler 64 grain Bonded: could not get it to shoot well ( under 1 ") in any of my guns. However an inch will do it. I found it to be a sure killer...a bit excessive in fact. But it does work, and works very well.

Nosler 60 Partition: a proven performer, again a bit of trouble getting tiny groups, but they are tiny enough. The Partition is one of the few sure bets in life. It works.

Here in UK, in Scotland, the .222 is specifically deer legal. Why not .223 aka 5.56mm NATO? Well the law that allows .222 is so, 1960, old that law that when it was enacted there were NO commercial chamberings of .223 in hunting rifles...it was so 'new'.

The law has now caught up with progress and re worded so any high ve'ocity .22 centrefire..so .223; .22-250; 220 Swift is no legal. So with correct bullet it'd be OK. But for fallow and red deer the .22 centrefires are all, rightly, illegal.

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Originally posted by Nyalubwe:
No experience with the Remington 55 psp

Nosler 64 grain Bonded: could not get it to shoot well ( under 1 ") in any of my guns. However an inch will do it. I found it to be a sure killer...a bit excessive in fact. But it does work, and works very well.

Nosler 60 Partition: a proven performer, again a bit of trouble getting tiny groups, but they are tiny enough. The Partition is one of the few sure bets in life. It works.

Ingwe?

Not a huge fan of the Rem 55gr loads. They work well enough on perfect broadside shots but are lacking on quartering shots.

I like 60gr partitions pretty well. They punch holes through both sides even when hitting bone.

I have no experience with the 64gr bonded.

My sample size is about 50 deer per bullet tried in 223

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Originally posted by Nyalubwe:
No experience with the Remington 55 psp

Nosler 64 grain Bonded: could not get it to shoot well ( under 1 ") in any of my guns. However an inch will do it. I found it to be a sure killer...a bit excessive in fact. But it does work, and works very well.

Nosler 60 Partition: a proven performer, again a bit of trouble getting tiny groups, but they are tiny enough. The Partition is one of the few sure bets in life. It works.

I couldn't get the 64 gr. bonded bullets to shoot worth a hoot in my rifle, the 60 gr. Partitions do about 1.5 MOA in my rifle which is good enough for the sub-150 yard shooting I do. The best bullet I ever used was the old 60 gr. Nosler Solid Base. Tough enough to make it into the chest cavity before detonating. Some of the best bang flops I've ever had on deer were with this bullet.

IF you are shooting deer broad side out of a blind at 100 yards, any of those bullets will work with the 222 or 223 and a shot behind the shoulder...I have a favorite bullet that's been used by myself, my kids, grandkids for the last 50 years. You didn't mention it..Of the ones you mention I have used the Nosler, it works under ideal conditions, but my problem with the small Nosler partitions is they seldom leave a blood trail as expansion by design is smaller than other bullets even though you get a exit hole every time, but the 223 doesn't kill primarily by penetration, it kills by velocity.

You like that Winchester 64 grain Power Point do you Ray?

any of those will work on deer at 100 yards..Rem core -locks,noslerpartion and speer hot cors would all work..behind shoulder only ...

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Originally posted by PaulBarnard:

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Originally posted by Nyalubwe:
No experience with the Remington 55 psp

Nosler 64 grain Bonded: could not get it to shoot well ( under 1 ") in any of my guns. However an inch will do it. I found it to be a sure killer...a bit excessive in fact. But it does work, and works very well.

Nosler 60 Partition: a proven performer, again a bit of trouble getting tiny groups, but they are tiny enough. The Partition is one of the few sure bets in life. It works.

Ingwe?

Yes.

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Originally posted by PaulBarnard:
You like that Winchester 64 grain Power Point do you Ray?

If I remember right, Ray mentioned in the past using the Hornady 60gr SP and HP bullets with satisfaction.

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Originally posted by matt salm:

If I remember right, Ray mentioned in the past using the Hornady 60gr SP and HP bullets with satisfaction.

Before the advent of premium bullets for .22 center fires I had good luck with the 60 Grain Hornady soft point, and the 60 grain Nosler solid bases well.

Paul,
Have never tried the 64 gr. Power Points in the 22 calibers but its the best bullet I have every used in the .308 and 30-06 and that includes the super premiums..I just might be worth a try for sure.

My all time favorite 223, 222, and 22-250 bullet for deer is the 60 gr. Hornady HP or SP, both work the same..They all form these little pretty mushrooms if you can recover them, most leave two holes..As with any 22 bullet I keep shots off heavy bone like the shoulders. The Hornady bullet performs great out to 200 or so yards, even in the .222....That's quit a range of velocity for a bullet over such a velocity spread as between the 222 and 22-250 produce, but it will do that. On a couple of rare occasions Ive seen that bullet break a shoulder and kill the animal quickly, but Im still of the opinion that is a recipe for disaster with any 22..

The only I have experience with is the 64 gr Nosler BSB. My daughter used it to bag her first deer with an AR. 25.0 gr of Varget behind it would produce 3/4-1" groups @ 100 yards. The shot was through the shoulder and exited. They are some really stout slugs.