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a friend of mine recently purchased a savage tactical .338 lapua mag. he paid 2100 for the rifle, 200 for a bipod, 100 for an optics rail, and 500 for a scope. reloading it is costing him over a dollar a round. to date his best group with the gun is .983 inches at 100 yards. My favorite rifle is one i bought at a garage sale when i was 16. its a remington 700 .243. it cost me 300 with a weaver 6x scope that i traded for a brand new nikon 3-9x40. i adjusted the trigger to my liking and tested out some of my reloads. first group was .540 inches second was .572 and third was .643. i free floated the barrel today and tested my loads again. my poi moved by 3 inches. group sizes were .487, .385, and .440. soon the gun will be glass bedded to make it better for cold/wet conditions since its a wood stock. so there ya have it a 300 dollar package out performed a nearly 3000 dollar gun. oh did i mention its not even a bull barrel? if at first you dont succeed. blow it up. | ||
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oh forgot to mention 5 shot groups using hornady 87gr. hpbt's in front of 36.5g of varget with a federal gold match primer in a winchester case. neck sized only. if at first you dont succeed. blow it up. | |||
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Add a few hundred yards to the target and try pair them together again and see who wins then;P That rifle is not really the best to punch tiny groups at the 100y range, it would really start to shine when you start shooting past 600, 800 yards heck, some guys are shooting these rifles past a Mile! I have always been fond of the little .243 win but if i was going to shoot out to say 1k+ yards i would pick the .338 over the .243 any day | |||
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Get Remington 788 which originally sold for $125 and that included a scope.....Most of those will outshoot both the guns..... /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Is the rifle a .98 shooter or is the rifleman a .98 shooter? Lots of folks that can shoot itty bitty groups with .22s and 6mms never learn to shoot big magnums as well for a number of reasons; mainly no experienced coaching from that arena. Second, as SAKO said, the 338 may not yet be fully asleep at 100 and may absolutely outshine your 243 at the ranges at which it is designed to function best. Maybe your buddy is a great shot with a different 338 LP Magnum; I wouldn't know. But if it is the first time he tried to shoot that much rifle with ultra precision he might want to find some experienced help to shorten the learning curve. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Try to line up with him shooting prone at 1000 yds and see how you come out. I do know what you are saying, but your comparing apples to oranges. | |||
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 I was invited to shoot a .338 Lapua at the range. I really didn't want to, but didn't want to be called a sissy twice in the same week.It looked like a monster with that tank type muzzle break and all black appearance. Was I surprised. It was the most effective anti recoil device I've ever tried. Kinda like shooting a 6.5x55.Further, it held MOA nicely. Just FYI!!  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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1. if the guy can't shoot at 100 yards, he ain't gonna get better at longer ranges; nor is the rifle gonna be more accurate. 2. Don't know but it sounds like another case of someone trying to buy their way into the winner's circle. 3. AR is replete with post about guys spending mega bucks to have rifles "accurized" and then beefing because on their once a month or so trip to the range, they ain't shooting little bitty groups. Even the ones shooting three shot groups. Of course, it's the rifle fault.  Aim for the exit hole | |||
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I don't have anything like the Lapua, and, like you, have rifles that cost much, much less that shoot better. However, I don't begrudge anyone for the setup they have. Each to his own. If you compare the energy of the two guns, say, at 400 yds, I believe the Lapua would really shine. I have a friends whose every gun cost more than mine, but I don't think badly of him. I share in his joy over his toys--and I love shooting his guns, and I think he enjoys shooting mine. I do feel sorry for anyone who feels they must have a high-dollar rig to be satisfied, though. Red C. Everything I say is fully substantiated by my own opinion. | |||
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the .98 was my best group with the gun. his was 1.25ish i regularly shoot sub moa groups with an 8.5lb .338 win mag. his rifle weighs over 20lbs and with the muzzle brake has quite a lot less recoil than even my .308 out to the 400 yard target where we shoot my .243 still triumphed. around here you dont really get any shots longer than that. my farthest shot on a deer has been 150 and coyote was 420 that was across a frozen lake. if at first you dont succeed. blow it up. | |||
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you cant really compare the energy of either of the guns at any range. he'll never take the rifle hunting anyways. he wouldnt even shoot it under an awning while it was raining. if at first you dont succeed. blow it up. | |||
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Based on that, I'd say he got a semi-production rifle at the wrong end of the bell curve. Unfortunate but it happens. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Or , its not broken in yet, he has not found the right load. OK, try shooting at 1000 yds with a 15 mph wind. The Lapua round is for long range killing. That's why it is a tactical rifle, not a bench gun. To compare a gun you bought when you were 16 to a brand new to production "tactical" rifle is really not a good comparison. It would be like me comparing my 788 that I bought new in 1978 when I was in high school, to a new 700 Remington, which the 788 would likely still outshoot, and I only paid around $150 with a scope, new in the box. He should have just bought a new Savage Edge or Stevens 200 and started out 1/2-1" groups out of the box, but I guess he wanted a big bad mean .338 Laupua, in case he has to bust a cap in someones ass at 1000yds. through a car door! | |||
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..."bust a cap in someone's ass at 1000 yards thru a car door"... Wow, I'm 72 yo and spent time in the Marines and I never had the opportunity nor need to do that. I guess I need to run out and get an elephant gun to keep here in TN ***just in case***.  Aim for the exit hole | |||
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There was a quite a little tounge in cheek there. My point was that the .338 Laupua was not designed to be a bench rest round for 100yds, but to KILL people at long range if they were in the open or behind light cover. | |||
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gotcha. Back to my original premise: If the fellow can't shoot at 100 yards or if the rifle won't shoot well at 100 yards, things ain't gonna improve by moving back. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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All you guys need to get out and shoot or hunt more. You sound like a bunch of whiney bitches. Every topic that comes along these days is replete with the same crap. See y'all I'm going huntin'. | |||
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Bye bye. We'll certainly miss your in-depth knowledge and pungent commentary. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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