What is the latest on this cartridge - I'm curious. Is it still alive?

KB

I think it will be around, and I for one am SERIOUSLY thinking of building one, esp. due to Lapua brass, BUT, a curve ball just came in....I hear that Winchester may make 260 brass to sell through Black Hills.....now THAT makes using a 260 a better proposition than before as I have heard dissatisfaction with Rem brass.

It is a good one, esp. for a hunting rifle in a shorter barrel, great brass, supreme accuracy-built to overtake the 6BR at 300-600 yds...longer barrel life, 95% of a 260/6.5x55 to 130 gr bullets. Pushes 140 around 2750 in a 27" 123's give/take 3,000

Hmmm according to what I read and understand about Lapua this one case the 6,5x47 Lapua, is a designed case.

The high power and benchrest crowd has embrassed the case due to its ease to use in a short lock like the ones for the 308 win.

I will in shortly have a new barrel to my Sako Varmint in 308 Win, it will be a 6,5 mm 1:8,5 tvist barrel from Lothar Walther to stabilise the 130-140 grain hunting bullets I intend to use.

The case has a boosted tensile strenght and uses small rifle primers and has a small primerhole.

reports are coming in that 6,5 Scenars are doing great speeds and even greater precision.

The case has alreday been "wildcatted" to 6-6,5x47 lapua ie a 6 mm version.

Lookj at http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek072.html and one will realise the greatness of the concept.

/C

I'm having Jim Borden build me on on his Alpine action #3 contour barrel and Rimrock stock. Should duplicate the .260 with better brass and less powder.
FWIW; it has been wildcatted into a .20 and 22 calibers.

Michael

I think it will find better acceptance necked down to 6mm. It is just overlap to the 260 Remington in 6.5.

I think it will make a nice rifle, mntngoat.

30378, you may be very right, talked to Speedy Gonzales and Sierra at the Shot Show, they think the 6/6.5x47 will be a very used round in competition. It will make a round VERY close to 243 and better barrel life and likely accuracy also. 6mm's are much more used than 6.5 here in the US. If there were a 6 x 47 Lapua factory made brass, I might bite. I don't like forming cases, LOVE my 6BR.....does what I need a 6 to do to 400 yds in the field up to deer with shot placement. Killed one that far already with it.

RUAG has a 6x47 Swiss Match that has been out, but they make lots of Military products, and brass was not very plentiful, they also were at the SHOT show and very unhappy with Lapua for their 6.5x47.....competition!

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Originally posted by 6.5BR:
RUAG has a 6x47 Swiss Match that has been out, but they make lots of Military products, and brass was not very plentiful, they also were at the SHOT show and very unhappy with Lapua for their 6.5x47.....competition!

RUAG shot themselves in the foot and have no one to blame but themselves. The 6x47 SWISS came out at least a year before the LAPUA 6.5x47 and shooters everywhere were trying to get brass for it to no avail. It is very good brass, probably as good as the Lapua, but when the Lapua came out and shooters could actually buy brass they immediately jumped on it and interest in the RAUG virtually disappeared. Many shooters have necked the Lapua down to 6mm and call it the 6x47 LAPUA. Reamers are being made, barrels are being chambered, and rifles are being shot. I don't think there is any way that the RAUG will overcome their mistake. JMHO

Ray

Actually i don´t think so, cause in a short action it will allow the round to be set at full lenght and still fit in the magasine ie one will not have to have all that bullet portuding beneth the neck of the case down and deminishing the powder space.

I do belive that it will find a nice place in the high power and long range benchrest arena.

And for me to hunt deer with.

Best regards Chris.

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Originally posted by 30378:
I think it will find better acceptance necked down to 6mm. It is just overlap to the 260 Remington in 6.5.

I have been shooting the 6.5/08 in various names, configurations etc since the mid 70s. Back then it was the 263 Express, a Ken Waters idea. Then [and now] I make brass out of Lake City NM 308 brass. This, to me, is about as good as it gets. The brass is tough, stands the higher pressures and is amazingly consistent in terms of weight, volumn, uncrimpted primer pockets and the rest. Plus--back then it was free! A big benny. I tried the new Remington fodder and my rifle wouldn`t hear of it! The only drawback then and now was the headstamp. To me a VERY trivial thing. I look at this new Lapua case as a VERY nice alternative. Everyone knows the quality of the Lapua brass and having the proper headstamp is definitely nice too. PO Ackley told me way back in the early 70s had he to do it all over again he would have used a 35 deg shoulder instead of the 40 he is so well known for. I look at the 30 deg of this new case as a happy compromise between the two in terms of capacity but also the feeding! The people involved in this venture have put a lot of time and effort on the table and their knowledge will prove out I believe. Will this tempt me to invest in a barrel/reamer/brass/dies etc? Probably sometime but not right away. But it will happen I am sure. I am looking forward to new posted data on this cartridge.

Aloha, Mark

http://www.6mmhot.com/

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek073.html

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek072.html

Plenty of data, By the way, RUAG did get beat with more brass from Lapua in all likelihood.

One suggestion to the above poster re: that 8.5 twist, I spoke with a man who has shot the cartridge A LOT and he uses a 7.5 twist. Remember, it is a touch slower than a 260 and an 8 is preferable for all around flexibility. A 7.5 will get it done, as an 8 should, but an 8.5 may not allow bullets over 130 to do their best, or good at all. If 130 and under, an 8 or 8.5 might give top accuracy for a comp gun.

quote:

Originally posted by 6.5BR:
RUAG has a 6x47 Swiss Match that has been out, but they make lots of Military products, and brass was not very plentiful, they also were at the SHOT show and very unhappy with Lapua for their 6.5x47.....competition!

A couple of months back, I contacted first Grünig & Elmiger (the primary target shooting address in Switzerland) and later RUAG directly. Both times, the message was the same: RUAG did (does?) not produce 6x47 Swiss Match brass for sale to the general public, not even via wholesalers. At the time, it had been possible - from time to time - to obtain once fired brass from competitors who shot RUAG factory ammo. There was a rumour about some 6x47 SM brass being imported to the States, and at one time there also appears to have been some once fired brass available in the US. Other than that...

Needless to say, I was totally flabbergasted at this policy - or should I say "attitude" - towards the shooting public. How on earth this could be a good idea is beyond me. But given this seems to have been a conscious policy on RUAG's part, as far as I'm concerned, they can stick their brass up their collective .....

- mike

What is the rim size on these????

the same .473 bolt face of a 7mm Mauser for example???

Yes Seafire,

You are correct sir, same as 308 case head, unlike the Grendel which is PPC size, also it has a good bit more performance.

If I lose a few guns in my closet, I am building a 6.5 and the x47 is in the front of my mind.

Thanks 6.5 BR....

you really ought to consider learning about switch barrels from some of those benchrest boys....I don't ever want to get as egotistical or fantatical as those boys do, but you can sure learn a lot from some of those old guys...

I watched a 80 yr old guy who has had a stroke so he talks and moves a little slow and gets awfully forgetful, but I watched him the other day, out shooting and practicing at 300 yds with an old 1965 vintage Model 70 shortaction...

He told me he ordered it as a match grade action in about 1964 or 65, and had a couple of stocks made for it...he shot about 40 rounds down a 243 barrel on it, then spun the barrel off and put a 6.5/308 barrel on it, and shot about 40 rounds and then spun on a 308 barrel and shot about 60 rounds thru it...

They were all 24 inch barrels with no taper to them, and he was shooting at targets at 300 yds, and hitting them almost every time, without a scope...

Kenny is about 5/4 and weighs about 105 lbs....
He will go blank, right in the middle of a conversation, and then look at you and ask what were you talking about???

so if it works for him it can easily work for guys like me, before I get where Kenny is in age and health...

On a light note, that is funny, but sounds like a neat guy, glad to see him enjoying life, too short to do otherwise, WOW, shooting a 6.5/308, was he doing that in the 60's? I built mine 6 months before Rem intro'd the 260.

The little time I get to the range, I am lucky to shoot what I have, so I am considering 'lightening up' and you have done your home work and I see your logic fine. Perhaps do me a 6br and 6.5x47 barrel for my Rem M7 that now has a 7BR. Could punch it open to 708 if I wanted, but it would then be redundant, 6 br, 7br, 6.5s in the middle of them and the 260/6.5x55 and 708, a 6.5x47 MIGHT just take care of what I need! Decisions!

Living in the South, Crows, Coyotes, Deer and Hogs are my game, few others, no prairie dogs, no bears or elk here, may travel, heck that 6.5x47 with a good 129-140 might do an elk fine with shot placement. OR I could get a 338 Federal barrel, that would be covering my bases!

And think, 1 scope! That would pay for the extra barrels! May have to talk with Chris in Oregon again........thanks.

By the way, if I started from Scratch, I'd much prefer a stainless pre-64 type M70 action, or a forester Sako action-L579.

Just lost confidence in Rem, esp. if going into the back country.

If I didn't already have a .257AI I'd neck it down to 25caliber as well.
Just think the whole family could be at home in my safe.
I have a 6.5 and .20 in the works.
.20
.22
.243
.27
.264

Michael