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| <1Shot> |
Hi all, I'm thinking about gettine a .17. Is this a Remington cartrigde? What guns are currently in production for it? What does anybody think about it? Any insight is welcome. Thanks! | ||
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| one of us |
well, there's the .17 remington, if that's what you're after. that's about the only one I know of that's chambered in production rifles, not a wild cat for a custom gun. as for models you can get the 17 in, the Model 700 BDL is it. of course if you get acustom job, you can get any 17 caliber you want, 17 rem, 17/222, 17/223/ 17/222mag, etc. if you want pricing for the gun, go to www.remington.com. as for experience, the closest i've come is reading jim Carmichael's "Book of the Rifle"
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| Administrator |
1Shot, You might like to consider the 17 Mk IV, I think this one has the perfect case size for this caliber. ------------------ www.accuratereloading.com | |||
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| <Bill Tompkins> |
1Shot, George and Curtis covered most of this quite well. There are a multitude of .17 caliber cartridges mostly based on the smaller cases. We did neck the .50 BMG down to .17 just for a joke but it never got chambered or fired. But it does look awesome! Check: www.saubier.com This is a site dedicated to very small calibers, down to .12 if you can believe that. There is a wealth of information there. Now, .17 caliber is notorious for being hard to clean. Think about this, a copper bullet going down a .172 bore at potentially 4000 fps. Copper scrubbing, powder residue, extreme heat due to friction and burn temperature when confined to a small(understatement) bore. Remember one thing, all bores require preparation to prevent extreme amounts of cleaning. The smaller bores merely increase this necessity. Wind is a constant function on a body in motion. Lighter bodies will react to wind in the same manner that heavier bullets do. The difference with .17 bullets is that they loose velocity faster than heavier bullets. A typical .17 / 25 grain bullet will loose approximately 300 fps. from the muzzle to the target at 100 yards when launched at about 3900 fps. One of my .17 barrels is in it's 3rd reincarnation. It was originally a .17 Mach IV, then re-chambered to .17 Remington, now I cut it off and re-chambered back to .17 Mach IV. In the .17 Mach IV variation I'm running at about 3950 fps. and the last measured group was .254 for 25 shots with of all things IMR 3031, talk about a loading problem. These .17's are bunches of fun to shoot and in most cases worth the hassle. Bill | ||
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| <1Shot> |
Thanks for the input everyboby. George, Ed said you got his last one. He is going to try to locate one for me. I'll keep looking as well. What was the price you paid? Thanks! | ||
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| one of us |
Just out of curiocity, is .17 Mk IV manufactured by anyone, or is it one of those rounds you have to get from a parent case? | |||
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| <Bill Tompkins> |
Curtis, It is not commercially manufactured but there are a couple of private wildcatters that create 90% formed cases, one of which I remember is called Greyback Wildcats. Other than that it is a make your own proposition. The parent case is the .221 Rem. Fireball and yes brass is still available. Case forming dies are available from Sinclair International (www.sinclairintl.com). Bill | ||
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| <Alaskan> |
I guess just to be a little different I will throw this out there. I have a .17 Rem. in a T/C built with a carbine set up & 21" barrel. I really enjoy it. It is fast and accurate. I am still working on loads but have found fair results with IRM 4895 and a Hornaday V-max, 20 gr. (1" @ 100yds). The best part of it though is its size. Since the rifle is so short I can strap it to my snowmachine or 4-wheeler and go to beat the band and not have it in the way. Fox hunting in the winter and varmits in the summer. Believe me it is good "Medicine" for both. I haven't gotten a whack at a wolf with it yet, maybe next winter. Anyway, Hope this helps Pat | ||
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| one of us |
Had 17 Rem in a 700 BDL about 20 years ago. Really did like it. If I were to get one today, it would be a Cooper. I have a Cooper Varminter in 223 AI that is really nice. I think it would be ideal in the 17 Rem., too. | |||
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| <Wildcat> |
Well, if you want a factory cartridge you can get the .17 Rem - however as far as my research goes you would be wise to get a wildcat - most likely .17 Mach IV quoted by mr. ackley himself it is what he considers to be the most effiecient case for the .17 barrel. at www.eabco.com you can get a contender or encore barrel in Mach IV for a little over $220 (blued) - these are actual barrels for the thompson center rifles made by the thompson center custom shop! brass, bullets and a load book entitled the sensational seventeens are available at www.woodchucksden.com - at either of these places you can buy redding dies at a reasonable price. www.eabco.com will make you a package deal if you mail them and ask. the .17 Mach IV is a good cartridge out to 400 yards and if you need further you can get the .17 PPC - a little more hassle but if i remember right it will crank out 30 gr. bullets at over 5000 FPS. As for cleaning and wearing out barrels it won't be much of a hassle at all... if you moly coat. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Wildcat (edited 08-22-2001).] [This message has been edited by Wildcat (edited 08-23-2001).] | ||
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