Anyone have this chambering?
What have your accuracy results been like with bullets in the 80 to 105 gr range?
And what powders worked best for you?

My buddy and I are most unimpressed with our 6 Creedmore Ruger Precision Rifles using factory ammunition. Too cold here in Michigan to shoot outdoors so further testing and reloading will have to wait for spring.

I didn't know there was one. I'm sure it'll save the American fire arms industry. Hmmm??
roger

Friend has RPRs in .243 (now discontinued) and 6mm Creedmoor. Both are well under 0.5 MOA shooters to 400 m. Can't see any difference in accuracy between them.

Hornady factory ammo in both guns - guy doesn't reload. 100 gr Am Whitetail load in .243, and a couple different 100+ grain Hornady loads in 6mm.

Either strikes me as a world class coyote rig.

always thought the 6mm rem would be cool.
I little faster than the other 2 and just as acurate...

I looked into getting one when I was shopping for a new rifle in 6mm. I was partial to the 6mm Rem, but figured I would give the Creedmoor a look. I wanted it as a dedicated hunting rifle and the Creedmoor seems better suited to the heavy bullets, of which I didn't think had a good hunting bullet option. I went with the 6mm Rem that I was used to.

I have the reamer, dies, brass and a few barrel blanks, but have yet to build one. I've done a couple 6X47 Lapua's though and they are nice, along with the 6mm XC too. Lot's of choices lately in that realm.

I have a RAP I bought used with a Timney. Ive only shit factory anmoso far, I haven't played in the reloading room for a while. It shot 1/2 MOA with 1 lot of Hornady 103 ELDX ammo and barnes LRX ammo, just under MOA with another lot of Hornady 103. I bought the rifle because it had been staring at me from the used rack for months, and ive got 1500 Hornady 105 AMAX bullets to use up.

I used it on 2 deer this fall. It does throw some flyers but I think its the craptastic American stock. Over all Im happy with the gun. It seems H4350, RL17 and H1000 are the popular powders.

Mile high shooter--If you have only shit factory anmoso (whatever that might be) I can understand you'd not feel up to playing in the reloading room.

Ha! Gotta love using a phone and not spell checking yourself.

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Originally posted by Blair 338RUM:
Anyone have this chambering?
What have your accuracy results been like with bullets in the 80 to 105 gr range?
And what powders worked best for you?

Blair,

Based on the new "less is more" I would say velocities would exceed the 6mm/06 and probably equal the 6mm/257 Wby or the 6mm/264.

If Australian Hunting Net is a guide I am expecting Weatherby to dump the 6.5/300 and replace it with the 6.5 Creedmoor so as to get more velocity

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Blair 338RUM:
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If Australian Hunting Net is a guide I am expecting Weatherby to dump the 6.5/300 and replace it with the 6.5 Creedmoor so as to get more velocity

Choooke -Chock oohhh roger

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:

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Originally posted by Blair 338RUM:
Anyone have this chambering?
What have your accuracy results been like with bullets in the 80 to 105 gr range?
And what powders worked best for you?

Blair,

Based on the new "less is more" I would say velocities would exceed the 6mm/06 and probably equal the 6mm/257 Wby or the 6mm/264.

If Australian Hunting Net is a guide I am expecting Weatherby to dump the 6.5/300 and replace it with the 6.5 Creedmoor so as to get more velocity

Thanks Mike

And thanks everyone else for your posts.

Blair, ReLoder 17 gets some high marks in this chambering; its burn characteristics are kind to rifle throats. Can you get it down there?

http://www.accurateshooter.com.../alliant-reloder-17/

Yeah Bill, we can,

Thanks for the tip

Another incarnation of the 243 Winchester

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Originally posted by Michael Michalski:
Too cold here in Michigan to shoot outdoors so further testing and reloading will have to wait for spring.

What? No long johns or warm coats in Michigan?

I just ordered a 6mm Creedmoor. They are making factory rifles chambered for the caliber. you can get brass from Grafs that has the small or large primer pockets. I plan on using Berger 105 hybrids and H4350 powder..This is just a fun plinking rifle for shooting steel at 1200 yards. I should get the brass and dies today and load for this weekend. If interested I'll give a report.

Eyeman, please do report. I've heard H4350 is the bomb in this caliber, but can be hard on throats -- hence the Re17 recommendation.

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Eyeman, please do report. I've heard H4350 is the bomb in this caliber, but can be hard on throats -- hence the Re17 recommendation.

I shoot more 17 than H4350 but y'all know that 17 is probably more subject to velocity swings due to ambient temps than any powder out there, right?

It matters little if shots are 400 or under but if you're shooting paper at distance, it matter a bunch. Also, don't work up a max load on a cold day and expect to have primer pockets if shot on a warm day!

H4350 is a stable temp insensitive powder but Reloder 17 seems more accurate in a couple applications for me.

(some of us live and learn the hard way)

Zeke

Just another 6mm IMO..I only have one 6mm and its a 6x45, and if you keep the range under 200 yard it seems to kill deer and Pronghorn well and Ive culled some Kudu cows with it..I used the GS customs 85 gr. HVHP. I mostly use it for coyotes and my grandson, a cowboy, meat hunter, uses it ever year on a doe or the first deer he sees, that he can get to easy, either horseback or out of the pickup....He has a series of one shot DRT kills over the years that's amazing..He did make a 240 yard shot on a doe, that went down after a 20 yard run..I expect the Creedmore would perform the same...I personal would rather have a 250-3000 for such shots, but that's my prejudice...Im sold on the 250 and will never own a Creedmore is my guess.

6 mm Creedmore is a necked down 6.5 Creedmore.
A 6.5 Creedmore is a necked up 250 Savage Imp.The 250 savage Imp necked up to 6mm is the 6 mm International.
So the 6 mm Creedmore is just another name for the 6 mm International.
Funny how some things just keep coming back with a new name and everyone gets excited all over again.
Leo

The 6mm International is not a 250 AI necked down. The 6mm INT is shorter from base to shoulder, with more neck length and less of a shoulder angle. I'm also not sure how you would neck a 25 caliber up to 24 caliber as you stated.

The 6.5 parent case is the 30 TC not the 250. But, the 250 is close, people made CM brass from 22-250 back when the only option was Hornady. But, now there's many choices of brass , including Lapua, so no more screwing with brass.

The CM's ON PAPER, offer no improvement in performance. But what the old cranky gun nuts fail to accept is that the CM's offer a better PACKAGE from the factory. Long throats, fast twists, and still fit in a magazine. Hornady took what custom rifle builders do *fast twist and long throats for long seating* and put them in factory form. Bitch all you want but you CANNOT just up and change SAAMI specs for the old guard. You can't just start producing ammo like this for old cartridges when there are millions of rifles that cannot shoot them

The CM's ON PAPER, offer no improvement in performance. But what the old cranky gun nuts fail to accept is that the CM's offer a better PACKAGE from the factory. Long throats, fast twists, and still fit in a magazine. Hornady took what custom rifle builders do *fast twist and long throats for long seating* and put them in factory form. Bitch all you want but you CANNOT just up and change SAAMI specs for the old guard. You can't just start producing ammo like this for old cartridges when there are millions of rifles that cannot shoot them[/QUOTE]

^^^^This is a fact and will surly confuse those who are easily confused with facts. It's the whole deal from throat to twist that sets some apart from others.
I love the old .243 Win but if building one today, it would have a faster twist and longer throat and couple that with a Wyatt mag box. The factory cannot produce this "new" 243 Win round because the guns out there cannot support it.... or I'd just build a 6mm Creedmoor.

Zeke

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Originally posted by ZekeShikar:
The CM's ON PAPER, offer no improvement in performance. But what the old cranky gun nuts fail to accept is that the CM's offer a better PACKAGE from the factory. Long throats, fast twists, and still fit in a magazine. Hornady took what custom rifle builders do *fast twist and long throats for long seating* and put them in factory form. Bitch all you want but you CANNOT just up and change SAAMI specs for the old guard. You can't just start producing ammo like this for old cartridges when there are millions of rifles that cannot shoot them

^^^^This is a fact and will surly confuse those who are easily confused with facts. It's the whole deal from throat to twist that sets some apart from others.
I love the old .243 Win but if building one today, it would have a faster twist and longer throat and couple that with a Wyatt mag box. The factory cannot produce this "new" 243 Win round because the guns out there cannot support it.... or I'd just build a 6mm Creedmoor.

Zeke[/QUOTE]

250--3000 shoots bigger bullets at the same velocity or more, It seems to make a difference, I shot the .243 a good deal earl on and found it a good deer rifle but on occasions things went south with a good hit and had a hard time finding the game..I know others who I respect that said the same thing, Finn Aaagard had the same experience as did some others...???

Took my 6 Creedmoor to the range this weekend for the first shots throuh the bore. I loaded only two powders to start H4350 and RL 17..I'm using Peterson brass with the small primer pocket. I load the rounds with conservative loads initally. The 5 shot group with the 4350 was just over one inch with average velocity 2988 no over pressure on the brass. The RL 17 velocity 2974 with a .75 inch grouping. Therse are the first shots through the bore and I will continue to improve the loads. I'm using Berger 105 Hybrid bullets and CCI br04 primers.

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^^^^This is a fact and will surly confuse those who are easily confused with facts. It's the whole deal from throat to twist that sets some apart from others.I love the old .243 Win but if building one today, it would have a faster twist and longer throat and couple that with a Wyatt mag box. The factory cannot produce this "new" 243 Win round because the guns out there cannot support it.... or I'd just build a 6mm Creedmoor.

Norma has already done a new fast twist .243 Norma 6xc.



https://norma.cc/us/Products/Target/Norma-6XC/

mart, Us old guys here in Michigan must be real sissies. I personally start to shiver below 50 degrees (F) no matter how much clothing I pack on. It's hard to shoot really small groups when shaking, even slightly. Of course you tough young Alaskans are not subject to cold.

How many off the shelf rifles can you buy in Norma's 6xc? Because the 6CM is available in the Ruger American, Ruger Precision, soon several Howa 1500's and I think Savage as well.

It also looks like Norma is trying to be more of a 243 alternative with a 95BST and 100 Oryx. The CM is offering 95 TTSX-LR, 103 and 107 hornady offerings around $30 a box.

Many years ago I bought a 40X Rem in 6BR from the Remington custom shop, 1 in 14 twist for under 80 grainers, tight neck, shot bug-holes with 70 grain bullets. I got it as a rat-recker so the disappointment for me was the paltry 3350ish to possibly 3400 FPS with the 70 grainers was a total yawn.
Being a sub .22 caliber wildcatter the 40X 6BR went to my favorite gunsmith who lives in Rifle Colorado and got turned into a .20 Dasher with a 1 in 11 twist for 40 grain V-Max's and after a full on overhaul it shoots even smaller bug-holes with .20 cal 40 V-Max's at an average speed of 4,210 FPS. A rockchucks nightmare .
That left me with beau-coups 55 to 70 grain 6MM bullets and nothing to burn em up in. As luck would have it I'd ended up with a 788 Remington in .22-250 that had a really decent walnut stock once it was refinished (no kidding, I even called Remington and talked to a guy told me the very first 788's that was introduced in 1967 had walnut stocks but they were quickly changed to cut costs), it also had a real clean action but a barrel so rusted it looked and felt like a round bastard file, it spent it's life from 1967 to 1971 on a fishing boat in Alaska shooting seals out of the nets, fired very little but you can imaging the salt-sea spray and all Yikers!. It was given to me. After some idea kicking around with another friend it went to that same Colorado gunsmith to be completely overhauled, reworked, action single-pointed, bolt bushed and double sleeved, then turned into a 6X47 Lapua with a 1 in 12 twist, tight neck, zero free-bore Kreiger for all those varmint weight 6MM bullets I had left over. The 6X47 Lapua ammo feeds out of that 788 Rems .22-250 magazine like it was made for it.
I'd always wondered just how well a fully worked 788 Remington could actually shoot? I was otherwise occupied in 1967 and 68 so I'd never had one but but I heard stories of guys winning matches and such with em. Now that I've spent about 15 times what that rifle cost new on it's overhaul I know to a certainty. I picked two bullets I had a "Bunches Of" for my first two loads. One was the 70 grain Hornady 70 grain SXSP for maximum performance at lower velocity's, load ended up at 3,450ish FPS to avoid air-bursts in that 6X47 Lapua. The second was with the 65 grain Hornady V-Max that ended up at about exactly 3,700FPS. First pass, load development done.



Not sure about the magazine fit and all but I'd guess if ya did all the same work on a 6MM Creedmore it'd shoot as well and from what I read cause I've never shot one the velocity at least on the Varmint projectiles would be about the same or so I read. If ya really wanna go warp-speed use a .243. To much outta me, hope it was somewhere near topic.

I've been shooting a Ruger Precision in 6mm Creedmoor for a few months now, and have been very impressed with accuracy. Factory Hornady 103 gr ELD-x bullets printed 0.7 inch 5 shot groups. Barnes 95 gr LRX are still under an inch.

I have been working up loads using Superformance, 103 gr ELD-x bullets and getting good velocity with sub MOA accuracy at max printed load recommendations.


I intend to load some Barnes bullets as well, but haven't worked them up yet. This is a very pleasant rifle, that shoots heavy bullets extremely well.

Bill

Its the product of a high dollar advertisement campaign, for the gullible of the gun world, This week I watched people killing elk at extreme distance and they killed one with an apparent gut shot, that's just wrong..its not now nor will it ever be anything but a short range elk rifle for a very skilled hunter..I am sure it will be an accurate bench rest gun, and a pretty good deer gun..

It's the product of a high dollar advertisement campaign, for the gullible of the gun world

Not so fast.... Step back 128 years and you have it all 5.5mm, 6mm, 6.5mm 7mm ! The brits settled on 7,7mm the USA at 7.62mm

The virtues of the current crop of long range precision shooters were all the rage then just as it is now !

Mausers 7x57 with it's long for caliber bullet, the various 6.5's all designed to take out massed infantry at ranges of up to 2000 m

The military doctrine of the time asked for a depth of kill range of 600m for a 1.6 or 1.7m target.

For almost 30 years Africa's most popular caliber was the 6.5mm ! Only to be unseated by the 7.62mm (30-06)

Well Alf, lets just wait another 125 years and see who is right or wrong?? Wanna make a $100,000 dollar bet???

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Originally posted by matt salm:
I have the reamer, dies, brass and a few barrel blanks, but have yet to build one. I've done a couple 6X47 Lapua's though and they are nice, along with the 6mm XC too. Lot's of choices lately in that realm.

Yeah Matt, the 6X47 (my version is the 6mm HOT) is superb. but a friend was looking for something similar but with cheaper brass.

I have a Savage 110T from Cabela's so it is different than the ones you can find elsewhere. I love it. 103 grain ELDx bullets pushed with R16 will do 3171 FPS and shoot just over under 3/4 inch at 200 yards for me.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Its the product of a high dollar advertisement campaign, for the gullible of the gun world, This week I watched people killing elk at extreme distance and they killed one with an apparent gut shot, that's just wrong..its not now nor will it ever be anything but a short range elk rifle for a very skilled hunter..I am sure it will be an accurate bench rest gun, and a pretty good deer gun..

Jeez Ray, ya old curmudgeon!

Get out of your rut. 87.63% of what you say might as well be written in the "Good Book" since its Gospel but the other 12.37% is just coming from your position of stubbornness.

You're NOT too old to learn a new trick so why not listen to some of us who shoot a few times every week and stay up on ballistic sciences?

Will it surpass 243 sales and popularity? NO
Is it better? YES
Is it an elk cartridge? NO

Zeke