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Hey guys, I took the new rifle out to the range today and was shooting some work up load with a Sierra 55 grain with 748 and H335. The first four or five lighter round of the two boxes were shooting good. Went down to the target to inspect the second set of four shots and only found 1 hole.  I walked back and bore sighted real quick. This rifle is dead on. Then i realized that the Handi Rifle is a 1 in 12 twist. This one is 1 in 9. The bullets were coming apart before they got to the target. Went down and bought a box of 63 grain bullets and will try them. I've heard of that happening but never experienced it. Kind of neat to see what happens in different twist rates. I'll send in the report next weekend. Tony  | ||
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did you verify that by putting up paper at 20 yards? | |||
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That 1-9 twist shoots 69 Sierra bullets real good. | |||
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55 grainers should should fine in a 1-9 twist. My Savage 112BVSS 223 w/a 1-9 barrel shoots even the 35's without anything coming apart. I would check your loads again. Your rifle shoould shoot 40's just fine. Mike. | |||
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The one in 9 won't vaporize 55 grainers, unless you are using a 55 gr SPSX... Beyond that, they will not vaporize in a 223 with a one in 9 twist... maybe you are just lucky and have a very accurate barrel on your Stevens.. That happened to me on a 6mm Rem Load... so I loaded up some more, and kind of varied where I was shooting on the target... nothing was vaporizing in the one in 7 twist.. instead it was just that darn accurate... | |||
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Hey guys, I just read your replies to my post of 55 grain sierra varmint bullets coming apart. What about 55g ballistic tips or Speer 55gs. I shot at a squirrel the other day with a sierra 55 and saw a cloud of dust way low and to the left of the squirrel. Could it be that the 55 sierras are to thin skinned for that twist and higher velocities. Just wondering. Tony  | |||
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you need to put up news paper at different distances. i'd bet dime to donughts your just a shitty shot, sorry. | |||
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Your bullets willnot come apart in the .223 with a 1 in 9 twist, you simply cannot get enough velocity. I shoot a max load with the 50 grain Hornady SPSX and shoot sub moa all day long. | |||
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Sorry, hell, you're pathetic. | |||
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Tony, It ain't the bullets! I shoot 55gr. Sierras @ just under 4,000fps. and have yet to have one come apart. Stepchild NRA Life Member | |||
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come on. what do you want to do. tell this guy the truth or stroke him? look at the posts... Tony Gable "Went down to the target to inspect the second set of four shots and only found 1 hole." "I shot at a squirrel the other day with a sierra 55 and saw a cloud of dust way low and to the left of the squirrel. " Stormbringer "55 grainers should should fine in a 1-9 twist. My Savage 112BVSS 223 w/a 1-9 barrel shoots even the 35's without anything coming apart." seafire/B17G "The one in 9 won't vaporize 55 grainers" rem721 "Your bullets willnot come apart in the .223 with a 1 in 9 twist, you simply cannot get enough velocity." I have tried to tell him to put up paper at 25 yards, 50, 75 100 yards and see that the bullet isnt coming apart. the answer is obvious. he cant hit paper and he wants to blame the bullets and powder. Get real.be honest with this guy. Look, Tony. Im gonna be str8 with you. you need to check your scope mounts and make sure they are tight. then you need to zero the rifle at 25 yards. then move out to 50 then 75 then 100. quit coming up with excuses and practice on the basics. im sorry if that bums you out, but, if you can only hit the paper once out of 2 4 rounds strings, with a 223? the handi-rifles i have shot have been extremly accurate. | |||
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My grandma used to say, "it's not what you say but how you say it." | |||
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sorry, i ran out of candy coating long ago. | |||
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Considering that Sierra knows those 55 grain bullets are going to be reloaded for a bunch of rifles that are a whole lot faster than a .223,I cant see them building one that a .223 would make come apart. The .223 is at the lower end of .22 cal velocity. If those bullets were coming apart with a .223,this board would be clogged up from all the posts by faster .22's that they came apart. I dont think bullet coming apart is remotely the problem. You did not say what range you were shooting. For zeroing and checking I'd go with 25 yards. I'd check my scope mount too. My .223 (Win 70)will shoot jacketed bullets great,but it doesnt shoot my cast bullets. I know it's not the bullet as same bullets shoot in my .22's and 22-250. | |||
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Seems your brains ran out at the same time judging by some of your posts I've read. | |||
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My loads(26grn Varget) with the SPSX come apart when they leave the barrel in my 1-9 twist. All other 50-55gr(Vmax, SP, BK, NBT) bullets seem to hold together just fine...just not the SPSX. I now shoot them through my 14" Contender and they work awesome. *we band of 45-70ers* USAF AMMO Retired! | |||
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there is an ignore feature, use it. | |||
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Thanks, I do stand somewhat corrected. While I myself have no problems with the 50 grain SPSX's in my Stevens 200, I was talking about the 55 grain bullets that the poster was saying he used when I said he cannot get enough veolicty. Reading my post it is obviously misleading or unclear. But, I do stand behind my contention that with the 55 grain sierras he is using he cannot get too much velocity out of the .223. | |||
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Then yes, I do agree with you! Not like it matters, I'm sure you wouldn't lose sleep if I didn't.  I was just trying to clear things up, it wasn't making sense to me. *we band of 45-70ers* USAF AMMO Retired! | |||
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The Sierra Blitz bullets are their most fragile.. they make several different 55 grain bullets in 224 bore... I do not know what their rpm limit is... But I can tell you that SPSXs, are even listed as not to be used with twists faster than one in 12, on the Hornady web site and in their loading info..... To figure out a bullets RPM... RPM= 720 x MV divided by the twist... SPSXs are designed to take a max of 180,000 rpms according to Hornady... when I tried some out in my Savage and they were vaporizing, Hornady figured my load out of a 223 was turning 275,000 rpms... Check with Sierra and see what they say the RPM limit is on their Blitz bullets ( not to be confused with Blitz Kings).... A 223 has more than enough velocity potential to vaporize fragile bullets like the SPSXs... by at least 50 % more rpms than is listed as the bullets max limit... Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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RPM example... 55 grain bullet MV of 3000 fps rifle, one in 9 twist... 720 x 3000 ( fps) = 2,160,000 2,160,000 divided by 9 ( for one in 9 twist)= 240,000 RPMs... 240,000 rpms on a fragile bullet designed with a max limit of 180,000, and what do you think you are going to get???? Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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Well, it's nice you can do the math but what does this really have to do with the question at hand? the original poster is NOT using SPSX's. And I have not had them fly apart on me. I have no doubt that they will as I had had it happen with the 50 grainers but not in my .223. | |||
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If SPSXs are not flying apart in your rifle, then either your MV is way down around 2500 fps or less.. or you have a one in 12 twist instead of a one in 9.... and this is being submitted humbly.. and not with a wise ass, or insulting attitude...... Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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Hey guys, The weather cooperated this weekend and I was able to get back out to the range. I took the rifle in question, Stevens 200 .223 1 in 9 twist. I checked the scope mounting and everything. All good to go. I shot a box of 50gr ballistic tips with 25 gr of W748. All shot 1.75 inches high at 100 yards. Very good accuracy. I shot another box of Sierra 63gr SMP bullets ahead of H335 at 23.5 up to 25.5 grains of powder. These also shot very well. 1 inch high at 100 yards. You gentlemen were correct in that the 50 to 55's won't come apart. I found that the bullet that was coming apart was the Sierra 55g spitzer blitz med velocity bullet PN 1345. The reason I know this is that I found part of one of the disentigrated bullets while walking back from the target. Just the tip of it. About 1/4 of an inch. All torn to hell. Keep in mind that the range I shoot at is not a public range and I'm the only person who has shot there for over 2 months.Only 2 other people (friends) know about the range. Anyway, that is the update. Thank you all for all of you input. Problem solved.  | |||
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I shot some 55 gr black hills bullets to sight in my 1-9 twist savage. Then I shot some juiced up 50 gr Hornady sx I had from the early 1980's. I got the grey mist at about 15 yards out. Some of the bullets held together a little farther out but most were dust inside of 15 yards. Ron | |||
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Seafire jogged my memory with his statement about the Sierra Blitz. I got several boxes of these by mistake some years ago. I tried them in my 1-8, 223 and more than half of the ones I shot came apart. They are listed by Sierra as medium velocity. I can certainly believe Tony is getting them to blow up in his. I was not impressed with the accuracy of the ones that did make it to the target, but I am sure someone here has the answer to that problem also.....  Those are the only bullets I have ever boxed up and thrown out and I have never regretted the decision. I don't know why Sierra still makes them when their others are so good. Jim Please be an ethical PD hunter, always practice shoot and release!! Praying for all the brave souls standing in harms way. | |||
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