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Originally posted by Grenadier:
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Later on Remington did a better job than Winchester in copying the 7x64. Their cartridge was the 7x63. It was initially named the 7mm Remington Express but later renamed to .280 Remington.

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
The .264 suffered from two things when it was first introduced.

The first was Winchester's puzzling decision to use a zero leade so that the full diameter of the bullet could not extend beyond the case mouth. That's why (if you have a standard SAAMI chamber) that the .264 yields such disappointing velocities compared to other 6.5mm cartridges.

The other shortcoming was the lack of availability of appropriate powders. Now we have very slow burners from Vihtavouri, Alliant, IMR, and Hodgdon (as well as the availability of surplus powders like WC 872 and 860) which let the .264 strut its stuff with 140 grain bullets.

A dirty little secret is that the .264 has all of the case capacity (and maybe just a tad more than) the 6.5 bore can use. If you ream the leade for a normal bullet seating depth the difference in it and a 26 Nosler is less than the difference between two random barrels.

I've been shooting a .264 for just over a half-century now (it was my first genuine centerfire rifle and I still have it.) It was only after extending the leade to allow a Nosler 140 Partition to be seated flush with the base of the neck -- and after judicious load work-up with a slow surplus powder -- that I confirmed that it can truly be a fine long-range cartridge which leaves little to be desired.

Bottom line: It does have something of a cult following (just check on the premium that a .264 brings over the same rifle chambered for a more common cartridge). But only if the original SAAMI specs are DESTROYED and a normal chamber is made standard will the .264 merit any future attention from the industry.

As above.

A mate of mine (he posts on AR as Blair 338RUM) ja great results with a couple of 264s. These were accuracy rifles, Jewell triggers, Noghtforce scopes etc)

One problem that does exist today is brass like Winchester and Remington is not as hard as it was up till about early to mid 1990s. I believe that is related to litigation and so the brass will show pressure sign at lower pressure. anyone who has done much loading will know the higher the pressure the greater the pressure will increase with a touch more powder, different primer, barrel fouling and so on.

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Originally posted by ALF:
The Ross was a shitty gun but as a caliber it was awesome.

Gerlich and Halbe in Kiel Germany put the revs on the Ross and shot a 100 gr bullet from it at 3900 fps and that was before WW2

The Mauser M98 actioned rifles has very long 28 inch plus barrels and they really milked the FPS from the ross

The actual groups and velocities done at the Hallensee proving ground in Germany

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Originally posted by Wstrnhuntr:
I dont see the 264 making a comeback. The whole 6.5 craze going on is all about precision shooting, and they are going in the opposite direction of hard hitting Mag's. It wouldnt hurt my feelings if some manufacturer decided to try to make bank on current trends and standardize the 6.5-06 though.