Hi

Does anyone have any loading data for Alliant (hercules) powder for the 6x47 (6mm x .222 mag)

I'll be loading 65gr V-max, 70gr Nosler BT and the 87gr Hornady SP for deer

I don't have any alliant data, but if you go to hodgdon's website, they have load data for hodgdon powders online. There's also reloading data in the hornady reloading manual. 87 gr bullets are really at the upper end of capability for this little cartridge. I use the 87 hornady's for fireforming new brass, and load the 80 gr speer's for deer.

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Originally posted by Slowpoke Slim:
I don't have any alliant data, but if you go to hodgdon's website, they have load data for hodgdon powders online. There's also reloading data in the hornady reloading manual. 87 gr bullets are really at the upper end of capability for this little cartridge. I use the 87 hornady's for fireforming new brass, and load the 80 gr speer's for deer.

Thanks Slim

unfortunatley we dont get Hodgon powder in Aus

i was considering the 80gr Speer on deer but like the idea of the slightly harder Hornady 87gr SP. I dont have a copy of the Hornady reloading manual.

Sako: I took a look, but couldn't find any data for Hercules powders in the 6X47. FWIW, it is a great little round for young deer hunters. All of my sons started with it. I had very good luck with 85gr Partitions, and 85gr Speer BT's on small whitetails at reasonable ranges. And the 60gr Sierra HP is dynamite on varmints!

BTW, I was fortunate to visit your beautiful country last spring. Spent a couple of weeks in WA, in and around Perth. Beautiful area and wonderful people!

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unfortunatley we dont get Hodgon powder in Aus

Really? Any idea why? More than a few of their powders are made down under.

Sorry if I

-Spencer

If I was in your shoes, I think I would look at the 6x45, which is based on the 223 case, and use any data you can find on it. There is only one grain of water difference between the case capacities, with the 222 Mag case holding one grain more than the 223.
I looked in Reloader's Nest and found one 80 grain bullet load for the 6x45AI, using RL-15. I gotta think the increase in case capacity of the 6x45AI over the standard 6x45 would be around one grain of water, making it about equal to your 6x47. A lot of assumptions here, but I think it's a starting place for the Alliant powders you have down there. Couldn't find anything on lighter bullets, like the 65's, etc.
I owned a 6x47 nearly 40 years ago, and do not recall what powders I used back then, and they definitely were not Alliant anyway. I shot the 60 grain bullets then. I probably used 748BR, IIRC.

Here's a link.

http://reloadersnest.com/detail.asp?CaliberID=399&Powde...ader+15&LoadID=10499

I'll keep looking for the lighter bullet loads.

Good luck,

Don

sako,

Can you get IMR powders, Accurate powders, or Vitavouri (spelled wrong I'm sure) powders, what about Win 748 powder?

I looked in the Hornady manual again, and they don't list any Alliant powders for the 87 gr bullet. They do list Reloader 7 for the lighter bullets, 58 gr through the 75 gr bullets. The heavier 87 gr bullet just doesn't list the powder.

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Originally posted by DMB:
If I was in your shoes, I think I would look at the 6x45, which is based on the 223 case, and use any data you can find on it. There is only one grain of water difference between the case capacities, with the 222 Mag case holding one grain more than the 223.
I looked in Reloader's Nest and found one 80 grain bullet load for the 6x45AI, using RL-15. I gotta think the increase in case capacity of the 6x45AI over the standard 6x45 would be around one grain of water, making it about equal to your 6x47. A lot of assumptions here, but I think it's a starting place for the Alliant powders you have down there. Couldn't find anything on lighter bullets, like the 65's, etc.
I owned a 6x47 nearly 40 years ago, and do not recall what powders I used back then, and they definitely were not Alliant anyway. I shot the 60 grain bullets then. I probably used 748BR, IIRC.

Here's a link.

http://reloadersnest.com/detail.asp?CaliberID=399&Powde...ader+15&LoadID=10499

I'll keep looking for the lighter bullet loads.

Good luck,

Don

Thanks DMB

i'll try and get my hands on some Winchester 748, RE7 is ok with light bullets but a rather fast powder not that well suited to 87gr pills.

Im buggerd if i kno why we cant get IMR powders down here, i think with the way the aussie dollar is at the moment i couldn't afford it anyway

Sako,

And others too. I have a confession to make. Is there a Priest in the house??
I've been known to do some correlation loading. There, I have that off my chest...
I use loading manuals that list a particular load, then substitue a powder that I have that equals the powder I don't have in burn rate. I look at pressures only, not velocity. Of course, all else must be equal.
I'm going to list some 6x47 Loads I found and you can use the info to try to correlate it using a powder you have with a similar burn rate as the powders I list.

Here goes:

70 grain Bullet:
(1) 23.5 grains IMR-4198 with Federal 205M Primers. This is a MAX load.

(2) 24.5 grains H-322 with BR-4 Primers

(3) 26.5 grains H-4895 with Federal 205M Primers

(4) 28.0 grains N-202 with BR-4 Primers. This is the second most accurate load the shooter reported.

(5) 28.5 grains of 748 with Federal 205 M Primers. This is the most accurate load as reported by the shooter for this bullet weight.

There are loads listed for the 68 grain bullet too, but they are almost identical to the 70 grain loads, with just a slight increase in powder charge, a few tenths of a grain.
Looking at the data, THE powder that provided the best accuracy was 748, with Federal 205M primers.

Over the last year I've been thinking about building another 6x47. I have an old Rem 722 barrel in 222 Remington that is not any good, and I just bought a 222 Rem Mag reamer. A local gunsmith near here rebores barrels, and I'm thinking about asking him to open it up to 6mm, then chamber it to a 6x47.


Don

The case Vol on the 6x47,6TCU and 6PPC are within 2% of each other. 6TCU's are usualy loaded a little warmer than the other two. Because of so little load data on the 6TCU I have used 6x47 and 6PPc starting date to develope loades in my 6TCU.

One of my all time favorites, for hunting small to med game. I used 25 gr of H322 with a 75 gr speer & horn.(2890 fps) My favorite for game was a 70 gr Nos solid base with 26 gr of H322. Shot a lot of deer, hogs, even a few antelope with that load in a short Sako with a light Apex barrel. Always under an inch, with a 5.7# rifle W/ 1.5-5 VX3 Leup.

As for the 6X45 Vs the 6x47, it's true the water capacity is very similar, but I like the longer neck on the 222 mag (47) a little better. They used to make nickel plated cases for it (Federal, IIRC)

It is my understanding that ADI of Australia makes many of the powders used in the US or has close equivalents. The web page below shows those equivalents.

I have a pair of 40X BR Remingtons in 6X47.
Where I have found 40X data in manuals I found one useful comparison.

The max loads for many of the appropriate powders for a 55 grn 223 load are about identical to max loads for a 70 grain bullet in the 6X47.


ADI's powder equivalents