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Originally posted by Hot Core:
Hey AC, Why do you think the 17HMR is "more accurate"? Is it all in the Case dimensions, a specific excellent match with the Powder, extremely consistant Bullets, etc.?

Nice observation and a good report concerning what you all have seen first-hand at your club.

Hey Hot Core, Glad to see you again!! Wasn't ignoring you, have been having some ticker problems, so don't get to all the forums quite as often as I'd like.

Personally, I suspect the difference MIGHT be bullet quality. Not cartridge quality, but actual bullet quality.

I have a 77/22 .22 Mag and it won't shoot much better than half as well as any of the .17 HMRs I've seen locally. I don't have a .17 HMR, but I DO have an Oregon Kimber .17 K-Hornet, and it uses about the same bullets as one finds in many of the available .17 HMR ammo. It also shoots groups of 1/2" or under at 100 yards. (The groups can be pretty disconcerting...you look through the scope and only one or two of the shots are touching and you think "Oh crap" or something similar. Then you walk down and retrieve the target, measure it and say something like, "Oooohh! .334" Well, guess that's not too bad after all... Those little 20 gr. pills can be deceiving...)

Anyway, I suspect it is bullet quality, and MAYBE, just MAYBE, it is a combo of a powder perfect for the case capacity/bore size, and a fortuitous "balanced" cartridge size/design.

Quien Sabe? Could be Jupiter rising in relation to Alpha Centori for all I know...

Hey AC, Best of luck with the Ticker issues. We live in an age of common miracles when it comes to Heart issues.

I have an old MARINE CORPS buddy (aka Quagmire, or Quag as his close friends know him )who asked me about the 17HMR recently. I mentioned the ammo seemed a bit expensive, there seemed to be a lot of "High Praise" for them by guys who have them at AR, but I have no first-hand experience with them.

So, I sent Quag a link to this thread. Just the kind of info he was looking for.

Good Hunting and clean 1-shot Kills.

Booby Toomeck: I again call you a liar!
You, Booby, are a LIAR!
Period and flat out you are a LIAR!
Why you lie is now the question?
There IS no doubt you are a liar - what so ever!
If YOU were NOT a LIAR Booby then why did you not include the whole posting I made and not some out of context PARTIAL quote?
Why, the answer is simple Booby - its because YOU are a LIAR!
Lying is what liars do and you are lying - ergo YOU are a liar!
You have proven YOURSELF a liar and I have NO hesitation WHAT SO EVER in pointing out you are a liar!
This all boils down though - to why you lie?
Not if YOU are LYING, but why?
I contend it is because you are such a small man and such a small minded man that when you are loosing a debate you will resort to lying.
And that, is sad!
I give you one additional chance to be a man and quit your lying and include the whole POSTING not just a cherry picked and misrepresentative partial sentence!
Sheesh - you poor pathetic excuse for a man!
Take your chance now, there Booby, and redeem your pathetic self!
Or don't - I could really care LESS what a proven liar says!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Alberta Canuck: I took my Ruger 77/17 V/T out to my range this morning! I was hoping to shoot in the NO WIND conditions that were in effect when I left my house! But by the time I got to my range and set up there was a bit of a wind going!
Anyway the 17 HMR was doing rather well in the moving air. It shot a 5 shot group at 100 yards measuring .642"! I was very happy (ecstatic!) with that! I also shot two other rimfires this morning (a Ruger 10/22 with Lilja heavy barrel and a Kimber M-22 heavy barrel Hunter/Silohuette target model).
The Ruger 17 HMR shot rings around the two "pricey" other rimfire Rifles of mine!
I hope you get a good deal coming your way on a 17 HMR - I know you will like one once you have some trigger time with it.

Rayderluvr: I use the Remington 17 gr. AccuTip-V bullets in both my 17 HMR guns (I also have a Smith & Wesson Model 647 revolver in 17 HMR) that also prefers this same ammunition.

Long live the new King of Rimfires - the 17 HMR!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Hot Core: You asked Alberta Canuck, but if I may be so bold as to give you my thoughts on why the 17 HMR is more accurate than other rimfires?
Here goes anyway!
I do think you touched upon several of the reasons the 17 HMR is so accurate compared to other rimfires - and let me add these "guesses" as to why.
I think it has something to do with the quality of the bullets - like you touched on, AND the quality of the chambers (tolerances and good machining) and maybe the reamers the manufacturers use and are actually striving to make barrels as good as they possibly can for this "new" round!
I am also guessing when I say that the quality of bullets used in this new ammunition is somehow conducive to really consistent bullet to case neck tension in the 17 HMR ammunition!
I mean, I am just thrilled with the accuracy I get with my 17 HMR and the accuracy I see in all my friends 17 HMR's!
It has to be something inherent in the powder (type and charge), bullets, velocity, and overall tolerances (ammo and Guns!) involved and the consistent neck tension!
You ask a very good question and one that I am only guessing at.
I do know I am thrilled with the 17 HMR's "built in" accuracy.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Anyone have the SAAMI chamber and cartridge drawings for the 17HMR?

This is the ENTIRE sentence written by VarmintGuy:

"Bullets can easily and often DO rise!"

So tell me, how does posting this -- your exact sentence word for word -- make me a liar? Did I make it up?

The board's archives say I did not.

I DO NOT LIE. And I bitterly despise those who do.

I will say this as my last post to you: If you continue your relentless slander, there will soon be consequences that you are not prepared to face.

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Originally posted by VarmintGuy:
Ireload: I went over to Varmint Al's nifty web site using your link. I used to visit his site very often but I have not been there in a while.
I was perusing his info and charts and tests of velocities and accuracy regarding the 17 HMR, and my jaw dropped at one entry!
He was shooting one of his nifty 17 HMR Rifles for accuracy testing and he happened to mention that he set his scope at 18 power - I assumed it was some kind of 6x18 variable scope. I was wrong - he was doing accuracy testing with a Weaver V-24 (variable 6x24 power!) scope and he had arbitrarily (without explanation!) set the scope at 18 power!

Hi Varmint Guy. The reason is very simple. Out in the field I typically use 18X for shooting ground squirrels. At 24X the field of view gets very narrow and it is difficult to acquire the ground squirrel when only a head or eye is just peeking up. I wanted to use the same magnification I was using out in the field for my testing on the benchrest. That tells me what size group I can expect when I am shooting ground squirrels. That is all there was to it. Nothing complex.

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

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Originally posted by VarmintGuy:
you poor pathetic excuse for a man!
VarmintGuy

Back at you VG. I don't think I've ever witnessed a more snotty, disrespectful, and petulant person. You define the term a$$hole.

I,m 71 years old and have ben shooting prairie dogs since I was 11 years old. There were prairie dogs (PD) in the home pasture -about a 300 Yd walk with the old pump 22 rifle to start shooting.Over the years I have tryed various centerfire reloaded rounds. Since getting the 17 HMR and 17 HM2 rifles the 22LR and 22 WMR rifles stay at home because I get more hits with 17 rimfires. During the 05 year I shot about 1500 PDs with the 17 HMR last year I shot about 500 PDs with the 17 HM2. I could reload my Hornet,221 Fireball,or 223 Rem for less cost but I dont care to set at the reloading as much as I use to but I will when I get a Rem. 17 Fireball.

Hey VG, You were one of the folks I'd thought of that speaks so highly of the 17HMR. I do really enjoy your firearm related posts because they come from first-hand experience.

And I appreciate the insight from Bobby about the 22Mag works better for him on the larger critters which is also first-hand experience.
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I believe both Ackley and Keith were correct; 1. High Velocity and "a properly Designed" small projectile Kills well. 2. Properly Designed High Mass Bullets at moderate to slow Velocities Kill well.

Both thoughts combined(aka Hot Core) seem to work much better in my Hunting situations "if" the correct Bullet is used; High Velocity along with High Mass Bullets. And that is in direct opposition to Seafire's thoughts. Sure leaves a lot of room for "discussion" in every direction.
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Originally posted by VarmintGuy:
...I use the Remington 17 gr. AccuTip-V bullets in both my 17 HMR guns (I also have a Smith & Wesson Model 647 revolver in 17 HMR) that also prefers this same ammunition....

Excellent input, which is something I'd intended to ask the Board.

Does anyone notice that one specific type of 17HMR ammo is more accurate than the others?

Now if we get the same response as VG gave, in everyones different firearms, we will have some excellent information. And if people find that different brands work best for them, then it means to me we would simply have to try different brands to see which one our firearm likes the best - just like the 22LR and 22MAG.

Good Hunting and clean 1-shot Kills.

Hey VG, It appears that you are the only person on the Board that knows what ammo he is using.