06 August 2010, 08:09
Vol717Request for Advise on Loading for a .219 Zipper
I'm having a couple of Highwalls built, a 30-40 Krag and a standard .219 Zipper. The Zipper is mostly for nostalgic reasons. I'll have to use other brass for the Zipper, so I'd like to get pointers on making brass from 30-30 or 25-35 and loading the cartridge. I'm getting the rifle made with 1/8 twist so that I can shoot 65 grain bullets if I want to, although I suspect that most of the time I'll shoot 55 grainers. I have many other .22 centerfires, from Hornets to 22-250 Ackley Improved, so I don't need to squeeze the last bit of velocity out of the cartridge. It'll be used as a lightweight walking-around rifle. I'd be very happy with 2800 fps with the 65 grainers and 3000 fps with the 55s.
Allan
06 August 2010, 08:50
GeedubyaAny number of older reloading manuals will have info on 219 zipper. I have not done so but I would be willing to be you can do a google search on "reload data for 219 Zipper" and find some stuff.
Best
GWB
I have an old Speer Manual that has 219 Zipper loads in it. The heaviest bullet listed is the 55 gn bullet.
Loads are, for the 55 gn bullet:
IMR-4350, 28.0 to 32.o gns
IMR-4320, 25.0 to 29.0 gns
IMR-4895, 25.0 to 29.0 gns
IMR-3031, 24.0 to 27.0 gns
If you decide to shoot 50 gn bullets, or lighter, the manual suggest that IMR-4198 is best.
If you want lighter weight bullet data, let me know. The Speer manual lists 40 gn bullets as the lightest weight bullet they tested.
Don
07 August 2010, 22:40
wistrapper5th edition Sierra Manual for 55 grain
IMR 4198 20.5 @ 2900 to 21.0 @ 3000
IMR-3031 21.6 @ 2900 to 24.6 @ 3200
IMR-4895 23.0 @ 2900 to 27.0 @ 3300
IMR-4064 23.2 @ 2900 to 26.1 @ 3200
IMR-4320 24.5 @ 2900 to 29.0 @ 3300
H380 26.0 @ 3100 to 30.0 @ 3300
Accuracy load IMR-4895 26.0 Grains @ 3200fps
Hunting load IMR-4895 27.0 grains @ 3300fps
Hornady 5th edition lists loads for 60 grain
the manual says the 60 grain VMAX and hollow point will not stabilize in a 1-14" or slower twist.
H4198 20.1 @ 3100 to 23.5 @ 3500
IMR-3031 22.3 @ 3100 to 25.8 @ 3500
BL-C2 23.2 @ 3100 to 26.6 @ 3500
H4895 23.9 @ 3100 to 27.4 @ 3500
IMR-4064 24.0 @ 3100 to 28.3 @ 3600
IMR-4320 24.8 @ 3100 to 29.4 @ 3600
H380 25.6 @ 3100 to 31.1 @ 3600
Brad
07 August 2010, 22:53
Vol717I shipped the actions off last week to American Gun Company to be completed. They tell me 6 weeks to complete them. I don't believe that for a minute. Six months is probably closer. I have a custom Ruger No 3 in 30-40, so I'm ready with ammo for that rifle. I just found a quantity of 30-30 brass, and 100 new 25-35 cases, and I ordered dies and bullets. I hope I'm ready with ammo by the time the rifles are delivered. Would anyone know if I need to fireform the 30-30 cases or just run them through the Zipper dies? I know I'll have to trim cases, and probably anneal the necks after all that work hardening. Fortunately I have .25-35 dies, so I'll run the cases through those dies first before going to the Zipper dies.
Thanks for all the help.
Allan