I know it was used by Italians, but did it also equip the armed forces of other nations?

I read somewhere that the Greeks used a 6.5 mm Mannlicher type rifle, was it the Carcano?

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Originally posted by Sixgun Symphony:
I know it was used by Italians, but did it also equip the armed forces of other nations?

I read somewhere that the Greeks used a 6.5 mm Mannlicher type rifle, was it the Carcano?

No! the Greeks used the 6.5 X54 in their Mannlichers.

It's safe to say that no other country used the Carcano as standard service issue, but auxilary forces and home guards got issued what was available. The Germans had some very odd foreign auxilaries in the last days of WWII, and I'd be astonished if some of them were not issued captured Carcanos.

I seem to remember that the Germans impressed parts of the Italian army at the time of the Italian surrender and German withdrawal.

Norway used the 6,5x55 krag and the swedes used the 6,5x 55 Mauser, the same case, but the swedish was loaded hotter for the mauser.

Italy used the 6,5x52 Carcano, the japs used the 6,5x50 jap

IMO the Italians were the sole users.....even the french (who were out of it by that time) didn't use it.

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When worse military rifles come along (referring to the Carcano) it will be developed by the italians or the French.

I think that the Italians also used Carcano rifles in 7.35 and, on the Eastern Front, 8x57. No other European Country, that I can think, used Carcano rifles, although some were made for the Japanese in 6.5x50 rather than 6.5x52. The former Italian colonies in Africa probably used Carcanos in 6.5x52, since the Carcano and 6.5x52 were adopted by the Italians prior to 1900.

Jeff

At least the Carcano had a safety latch, the French designs didn't. Just another good reason to be happy that you were never in the French military.

Jeff

The question is answered in some extent on the Carcano website. Nevertheless...:

Austria-Hungary used captured Carcanos as auxiliary arms in the Great War.

Finland (AA batteries, anti-partisan units) and Germany (Volkssturm) used Carcanos in WW II. Japan used the Type I rifle, a modified Carcano action in 6,5x50 SR Arisaka, mostly with the two Naval infantry forces.

Specifically to Greece, they re-chambered some Carcanos to 6,5x54 MS after the Second World War.

C.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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When worse military rifles come along (referring to the Carcano) it will be developed by the italians or the French.

VD ! Where did this gem come from? Probably the most UTILITARIAN bolt action military rifle ever designed was the Mod. 36, MAS in 7.5x53.

The mod. 91 Carcano was not far behind. In fact until the developement of the 8mm Kurz and the Russian mod43 (7.62x39)the 6.5 Arasaka cartridge and the Carcano cartridge were the best conceived, well balanced military cartridges of the time.

I am sporterizing a mod. 36 MAS right now and was shocked at it's performance. It is accurate and has superior ballistics when sensably hand loaded to a .308. Now isn't that an eye opener. roger

Why is it called the Carcano if it is a Mannlicher design?

For that matter, how is Mannlicher pronounced? Is it "Lich" or Lick"?

I hope it is "lich" as a "man-licker" should be a woman.

Their "magic bullet" did ok at Dealey Plaza.

i dont think it was just one shooter in Dallas, the in/out on the film does not match. FBI snipers tried to fire three rounds in 6 seconds with the Carcano, and they could not do it. i think it was three or 4 shooters and that the books suppository was a diversion and LHO wasen the shooter, he was a NIA man, not sniper. sorry for the output here/offtopic but just had to get this out.

Three shots in six seconds? You sure about that?

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Originally posted by mr rigby:
i dont think it was just one shooter in Dallas, the in/out on the film does not match. FBI snipers tried to fire three rounds in 6 seconds with the Carcano, and they could not do it. i think it was three or 4 shooters and that the books suppository was a diversion and LHO wasen the shooter, he was a NIA man, not sniper. sorry for the output here/offtopic but just had to get this out.

thats the "official" conclusion , but it must have at least 6-8 shots.

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Originally posted by mr rigby:
thats the "official" conclusion , but it must have at least 6-8 shots.

It seems that you are making things up to support your pet conspiracy theory.

"magic bullet"

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Originally posted by Sixgun Symphony:
I know it was used by Italians, but did it also equip the armed forces of other nations?

I read somewhere that the Greeks used a 6.5 mm Mannlicher type rifle, was it the Carcano?

The 6.5mm Carcano was never OFFICIALLY used by anyone except Italy, but of course, many partisans /irregular forces used anything they could grab. But even the Italians weren't thrilled with it, as they designed that 7.35mm Terni abortion to replace the 6.5 Carcano round......

and the same was it for the nips ,but that brought problems with the logistics, and thank the Lord (Ruark) for that.

my opinion was there was o little casevolum in those small 6,5 with 160 grain bullets. the Italians designed the 7,35 after their campaing in Ethiopia where it failed for them. The norwegian 6,5x55 KJ for the Krag Joergensen was good against the germans, some soldiers that voulunteered used the ammo they had ,as for instance moose ammo with little of the lead protuding or the seal ammo with more of the lead protuding.

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Originally posted by mr rigby:
and the same was it for the nips ,but that brought problems with the logistics, and thank the Lord (Ruark) for that.

my opinion was there was o little casevolum in those small 6,5 with 160 grain bullets. the Italians designed the 7,35 after their campaing in Ethiopia where it failed for them.

From what I understand there was a lot of pressure to standardize small arms ammunitions in Japan and since the new machine gun used in the Claude Fighter for example, was 7.7 there was a change in the infantry rifle to the same caliber. Not at all a unintelligent move.

Why the Italians went from the 6.5 to the .298 cal is somewhat obscure.Think ,however who was running the country. Non of the four cartridges involved was intirely a poor choice as a military cartridge when compared , let's say, to the .223. roger

the 6,5 jap wasnt working well with armor piercing rounds and tracer,rounds, that why they went for the 7,7,which is noothing more than a rimless edition of the .303 British.

These countries were just being different for the sake of being different. They all could have gone with the 7x57 and been better off for it.

I've read that Mexico did buy a small order of Arisakas in 7x57. That would be a tough one to beat.

They got them until they couldnt pay for them, the japs sold them to other countries, like the Finland bought a few, issued them to National Guard units and others .

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The mod. 91 Carcano was not far behind. In fact until the developement of the 8mm Kurz and the Russian mod43 (7.62x39)the 6.5 Arasaka cartridge and the Carcano cartridge were the best conceived, well balanced military cartridges of the time.

I agree! I think you could add the 6.5X54mm M/S, as it is not enough different from the Carcano to be considered separately.

An interesting footnote: Before WWII began, both the Japanese and the Italians decided that their 6.5mm rounds were inadequate. The Japs introduced the 7.7X58mm, a sort of rimless .303 British for infantry use, and the Italians came up with the 7.35mm Terni for the same application. And, for aircraft/anti-aircraft MG use, the Japanese developed a special, heavy 7.7mm machinegun round, and the Ities adopted the 8mm Breda MG. Both of these last two were pretty powerful rounds!