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I guess this is mostly to the good AR folks in Europe. I have an Anschutz/Savage (110?) in 5.6x57 RWS. It has a slim schnabel stock, double set triggers, and three-piece rings and bases (1"). I can find no information on these rifles other than an article in the 1969 Gun Digest which pictures my exact rifle, other than mine has a narrower recoil pad. Can someone tell me anything about this rifle? Any info will be greatly appreciated.


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You basically have a cartride that shoots heavy 71 grain bullets at .220 Swift velocities. It cries out loud for the Barnes TSX or a similar solid, I figure ...

Anschütz cooperated with several foreign gun manufacturers to sell their co-branded products in the German market by taking advantage of their distribution network and in order to turninto a "full-liner". Anschütz-Berettas and Anschütz-Mirokus are other examples.

Is this your rifle?

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Not seen so much in Europe anymore. Intended as a cartridge for Roe deer, Gams, fox and such. I'd guess the 5.6x50R or 52R are more popular as 22 centerfires. Can be a barrel burner ... care should be taken if bought used. Had one years ago but found that my 243 did everything in the real world just as well and a lot cheaper. You WILL be reloading. Smiler
 
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I found lots of info on the cartridge. I bought ammo from Reed's Ammunition in Oklahoma City and brass on closeout from Natchez. I could not pull up the photos from DUK's posting. Also, I have no idea on how to post photos here. I have asked Saeed but no reply yet. Thanks for your feedback.


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Got the photo up. Thank you DUK. Rifle is the same model but mine has a 6cm pink recoil pad and U.S. style rings and bases except mine has the base, an intermediate piece, then the ring.
I have only fired it about 3 times to zero in the scope. Then I fired 2 4-shot groups, both at 1 3/8". It was cold and windy (it's always windy here in Kansas) so it may shoot better when the weather gets better. Thanks again.


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In the USA IT IS KNOWN AS A WILDCAT 22-6 mm Remington. Also as .224 Texas Trophy Hunter. Barrels are 1-7 twist rate.Mine was built to shoot 74 gr RWS cone point bullets. That it does very well!


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lb404-thanks for the thought but the 5.6x57 RWS is a whole 'nother animal. The catch on the 5.6 is that it was made with a very thick neck of .280". .280" - .224" bullet diameter = .056". Divide by 2 = .028" neck thickness. The rifles originally came with two Auxilliary Chamber Adapters, one in .22 WRM and the other in .22 Hornet. That made sense in Europe where gun ownership is difficult. With the .22 WRM, one could hunt harew and other small game. With the .22 Hornet, larger small game could be taken. With the 5.6x57 RWS round (74 gr RWS Cone Point bullet @3560 fps, roe and gams could be taken. Made sense there, makes reloading difficult in the USA.
The .22 TTH is similar to the .224 Clark from the 1960's to date. The .224 Clark is a very fast twist and shoots 80 grain .224bullets. Going back about 90 years and we find the .22 Newton, essentially a .22 round using the 7x57 case.
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The Savage-Anschutz rifles in .22 LR, .22 WMR, .22 Hornet, and .222 Rem were all Anschutz products made in Germany and co-branded.

Your rifle, however, is basically an American-made Savage 110 chambered for a European cartridge and stocked with a fancier stock which has lines very much like the smaller Savage-Anschutz offerings. Most Americans are unfamiliar with it in other than .243, .270, .30-06, etc., since it was not sold in the U.S. in "European" chamberings. In fact, although the rifles were called "Savage-Anschutz" here, they may very well have been marketed as "Anschutz-Savage" in Europe.

From the dimensional drawings I have compared, the 5.6x57 RWS is nothing more or less than the 7x57 (7mm Mauser) necked down to use a .224" bullet. I can only guess that the specs for a thicker than usual neck was to accommodate necking down 7x57 brass without the necessity of thinning the neck walls.

This cartridge varies slightly from the wildcat .22/244 Rem (or .22/6mm Rem) since that cartridge used a modified shoulder angle.

Very interesting rifle/cartridge combo.
 
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Okay, one more time. The 5.6x57 RWS was designed to also use .22 WRM and .22 Hornet cartridges in Auxilliary Chamber Adapters, as well as 5.6x57 RWS ammo, hence, the thick necks of @ .028". The necks are supposedly slightly tapered in internal thickness. It's not designed to use 7x57 brass or 6mm Remington brass or .257 Roberts brass or any other x57 brass simply necked down. It is not a .22 Newton or .224 Clark or .22 TTH.
My understanding is that Anschutz had actions for the shorter cartridges but needed a longer action for longer cartridges. They were in a marketing partnership with Savage from @1963 to @1981. So they called on Savage for the 110 action to attach to an Anschutz barrel.
As for the stock, it does not look like the stocks on the Savage/Anschutz rifles in the smaller calibers, which had large, squarish "California style" forearms. The forearm on my rifle is slim, and tapers to a schnabel tip. If you have a copy of the 1969 Gun Digest, my style of rifle is pictured.


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This one should look very much alike yours:

 
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I believe that's it, except mine has a thin recoil pad. How's your shoot? I haven't had mine out but once. It was windy, as always, and I shot 1 3/8" (33 mm?) at 100 yards.


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That´s not mine, I just add foto for helping all to understand how the rifle looks were talking about.
I don´t want to have any 5,6x57 because it´s difficult to find correct brass and this caliber is quite much over-bored i.e. the barrels "life" will be quite short.
 
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I have to admit, it is one of the strangest calibers I have ever owned. But I have always gravitated to the dogs and orphans of the cartridge world so I find the 5.6x57 fascinating.
Normally it would very expensive to load for but my timing on components was perfect. Natchez is closing out 5.6x57 RWS at $20.49 for 20 so I stocked up. Reed's Ammo sold me loaded ammo (RWS brass) at the end of 2013 for less than most places were selling the brass for. I got Hornady dies for a good deal. So I'm set. Now all I need is the time to work with the rifle to see what challenges it offers.


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For long range shooting I have old 6,5x57 Mannlicher Schönauer. This caliber is novadays quite unusual even here in Europe because 6,5x55 has almost passed it over but S&B still makes factory ammo and even shells and bullets are easy to find so it´s easy to reload.
 
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I envy you for having a MS in 6.5x57. Never seen one here. Supposedly the 6.5x57's were made in limited numbers in Europe. What model is it? 1950, 1952, 1956, 1961, GK? Straight bolt or swept back bolt? I have collected Mannlicher-Schoenauers off and on for 40 years now.


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My rifle is earlier model, with short magazine so it has manufactured before WWII. I suspect that it´s caliber originally has been another, maybe 7x57. Actually my rifles barrel has changed in 1964 when rifle has thorougly renovated. It seems that stock has been whole lenght but new barrel is longer than original and stock has shortened a little and front sling swivels placed again too. Now stock and barrel looks like Mauser Mod African i.e. both barrel and stocks fore end are longer than normal half stocked M-S use to have.
 
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SteyrSteve,you did really well at that price for the RWS ammo! It costs about €70 a box of 20 in this country.
It was a popular round in this country in the 70,s and 80s when the government decided to place all handguns and rifles over 22 calibre in protective custody for 30 days which lasted nearly 30 years! This left us with 22-250 and 220 Swifts for deer stalking.
As already mentioned it is a bit of a barrel burner. The popularity of the round has declined here as the laws were relaxed and now anything up to 30cal is allowed with reasonable ease for hunting or target use.
 
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5.6x57 is an 8x57 necked down to 5,56 or if you preferì to .22. I do not have more infos, now, I'll pur any info that I will find.


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Thanks for your info. I have now a lot of info and lots of ammo and new RWS brass. Now if I could only find time to fire the rifle.

I found a box of 10 RWS factory loads. The three shot group I fired was @ 1/2", The new RWS brass reloaded with 55 gr Hornady's from Reed's Ammo did no better than 1.3" for three 3-shot groups.
The RWS factory loads with a 74 grain Cone Point chronographed at 3570 fps. The 55 gr Hornady's were 3720 fps. I will try o get it out again before summer ends. This time I will put together some handloads using 69 gr Sierra HPBT's. Word is that the 5.6x57 RWS likes heavy bullets approaching the 74 gr RWS factory loads.


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Hornady does have reloading information for this cartridge in its reloading manual. Maybe it can help you some. It does look like an interesting cartridge.
 
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RE: SIKA98K's response. It took some searching but I did get some good deals on ammo and brass. Natchez still has some RWS brass on closeout at $20.49 for 20, which is a great price for RWS. You may be right on using 8x57 and necking down in stages. The problem is getting the .028" neck thickness necessary. I have the Hornady loading data. I just haven't had time to work with the rifle much. Since I retired, I have no idea how I ever had the time to work 55+ hours a week for a living. Thanks for your responses. If I ever do some load development, I will post the results, good or bad.


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