I have remington .223, and it has a 20'bbl with a 9 twist. so im putting a new bl on it 24' with 8 twist. hoping to shoot 80g VLDs, my question is should I go AI or? i shoot to 800 yards so what do you guys think?
sorry about my typing! new to this pc thing lol

I have several AI cartridges and have owned and shot several others. The performance gain for this version is not worth the effort and expense in fireforming, etc. Just my opinion.

Consider this: If what you want is maximum speed regardless of accuracy, go with the AI version. But if accuracy is what you seek... It will be the accuracy nodes, not the case capacity which determines what velocity you shoot at.

thats what im loking for is accuracy. with that said i was just wondering if i would need the extra speed with the 80graners? thanks for your info!

This might help
http://www.6mmbr.com/223Rem.html

if you're going to that work to shoot 80 grainers, why not consider the 222 mag. little more powder capacity and a much longer nect to hold that long bullet

Good question. I prefer the AI because of the extra velocity as slight as it might be. Every bit of velocity helps.

fyi. I've gone the the .223 wssm with heavy bullets and love it.

I thought the benefit of the 223 was dirt cheap ammo and components. If you are giving up that might as well go to 22-250 or so.

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Originally posted by Mikelravy:
I thought the benefit of the 223 was dirt cheap ammo and components. If you are giving up that might as well go to 22-250 or so.

If the 223AI was set up right should be able to fire that dirt cheap ammo etc.

Go with your gut. That's what I do. If you want a 223 AI then build one.

.223 it is guys! hell with all that fire forming, ya know? its shooting the 80VLDs like a haint!!!!! alot better than that sps with the rubber stock! lmao.. replaced with a H.S and a SS 16x. so far so good. trigger sucks! but... thanks for all the help guys. im sure Ill be calling on yall again soon.. Troy

you'd think a 20 foot barrel was long enough without going to 24 foot. Shoot em out and pole vault with them.

Suck ole Buck! lol

1/2MOA--Good thing you like those Mattell stocks. With those 20 some odd foot long barrels would take a telephone pole to make a Mannlicher stock for one.

IMO, considering how devastating the .223 is on deer, if you were to AI it, you'd probably have a superb elk rifle.

Talk all the shit you want!Ha! Fighting on the computer, is like the special Olympics. Dont matter if you win, you still retarded!

Post helpful shit, instead of talking shit!

1/2moa---Congrats---which event did you win?

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Post helpful shit, instead of talking shit

1/2moa@200- Yeah it seems like this site has turned into troll city, with all these macho, magnum toting, big game serial killers.

Alot of people come to sites like this to learn and then you start seeing shit like"25acp for deer and crap" its funny but you dont see the Europeans or any other culture with such ignorant, arguements, based on no experience.

I agree with the others here, the AI isnt going to get you any real performance improvement. If you want higher velocities go with the 22-250 i would imagine to shoot an 80 grainer you would need a pretty fast twist 1-7" ???

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:
IMO, considering how devastating the .223 is on deer, if you were to AI it, you'd probably have a superb elk rifle.

Hey 1/2moa and fgulla!

Lighten up a little! It's just a joke and a carry over from the .223 thread that was intentionally started to cause havoc!

We all are here to learn, but there's time to relax and have fun as well. Geez, who peed on your Wheaties?



I shot 1000 yard F-class with a gentlemen a month or so ago who was shooting the standard .223 Rem with the 70 grainers and peep sights. The rifle shot well. You're gonna gain 100 fps with the AI version which may help at the ranges you're talking about and you may need it with the heavier bullets.

You folks act like that wasn't a serious post I made. I been in the room for a long time and I have yet to read the first post where the .223 didn't kill deer out to several hundred yards. One shot, DRT. EVERYTIME!
And then you read about the velocity gains that are acchieved by merely writing "AI" on the side of a cartridge, you have to wonder if they have repealed the laws of physics.
And so you put them together, and you have to have an awsome weapon. That is unless the guys in the .223 posts and the AI posts are lying. No, not lying, merely restructuring reality.

Fgulla/1/2MOA, Y'all may have been awesome hall monitors in grade school but I think Saaed still owns this site, not you. Ergo, if you don't like the post, bye bye.

signed: Macho, magnum totting, big game serial killer

This place is getting as bad as school. I went to school to learn and work hard and first day they had recess so I went home and never went back. I didnt go there to play.
1/2moa--Your opening post you mention a 20' barrel and ask if you should go 24'. Make that mistake once and it is probably a typo. Make it twice and what's up. Yes you probably mean 20" and 24". You mention new to typing--I too dont type--I peck very slowly. Thats a "gotcha" and place like this folks will jump on it. I jumped and can tell you don't have much of a sense of humor.
fgulla--You are correct a thread like .25ACP for deer and crap. Everyone knows a .25ACP should not be used on deer--it would tear up too much meat. You should use a bb gun. As for using it on crap--it would splatter. What we need is a gun we can shoot the shit and not have it splatter.

See thats where your wrong carpetman! I do have a since humor!! I wasnt in the mood @ the time, to BS about 20'' or 20'! And Wasbeeman! you only gain about 100-150 fps with the AI! So....No not a big difference! Superb elk rifle??? LMAO thats just stupid! enough Bullshit..lets talk Flippin GUNS already..
As far as my .223 with a (24'')barrel, shoots the 80gr Vlds just great. Win brass, cci BR primers, and 24gr of varget.. So yes im glad i went with the standard .223 over the AI...To HELL with fire forming all that brass.. Oh, I got your hall monitor right here ' " '"'"'"'

1/2 MOA--Yes indeed you have a terrific sense of humor. Must have came from your environment. Tell us about your surroundings. I doubt a city. I suspect a village.

lol what tribe are you a part of?

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
1/2 MOA--Yes indeed you have a terrific sense of humor. Must have came from your environment. Tell us about your surroundings. I doubt a city. I suspect a village.

And yet you don't list where you are from.

Whitworth--I was here for years as carpetman and due to a glitch started over as carpetman1. Carpetman had my location--San Angelo Tx and I have mentioned that in several posts as carpetman1--it is no secret.

Well then change your profile to indicate that. To the uninitiated it looks like you want to keep your location secret. That is how it comes across.

whitworth--I changed it to san angelo texas. Virginia is pretty vague btw.

As it shall remain.......

It's good of you to add your location.

I just received my 223AI build from the smith. I went w. a PacNor 1" tube. I fireformed 100rds of Lapua brass.

As in my other AI's - fireforming rounds were MOA and lead to some fun shooting around and enabled me to dial in the scope as well.

Go 223AI and enjoy.

BTW I went w. a PacNor 1/7 twist.

I would like someone to give me a baseline of velocity from a .223 standard and what the actual gain was after AI-ing it.
The formula I've heard is 4 to 1, ie if you increase your powder capacity 4%, you will gain 1% in velocity. I've talked to some other AI shooters and they said that was about correct. I think it might vary depending on cartridge size.
I've noticed also that quite a few of the AI-ers, after they find out what their velociy gain is, they declare that they did it so's they wouldn't have to trim their brass so often. Don't know why they don't just say, "I wanted something different" and be done with it.

I can't imagine going to the trouble and expense of "building" a .223 AI for 100 fps more than the already anemic velocity of the .223 Rem for a .224" bullet.

Why not go Swift, WSSM, Cheetah, and even 22-250 AI if velocity is the goal?

I guess if you want to avoid trimming, you "AI" your .223 when your brass gets too long?

It's gotta be because they want to be different.

Whitworth--So it shall remain. You could just use U.S.A. and be even more evasive without being evasive I guess.

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Originally posted by rcamuglia:
I can't imagine going to the trouble and expense of "building" a .223 AI for 100 fps more than the already anemic velocity of the .223 Rem for a .224" bullet.

Why not go Swift, WSSM, Cheetah, and even 22-250 AI if velocity is the goal?

I guess if you want to avoid trimming, you "AI" your .223 when your brass gets too long?

It's gotta be because they want to be different.

I agree totally, just to be different! And a waist of time. just my 2 cents.. their isnt nothing you can do with a AI, that you cant do with a standard .223

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What we need is a gun we can shoot the shit and not have it splatter

If i wanted to shoot shit and not have it splatter id bring you along for the hunt

As for the school thing it sounds like you just got out of school, hall monitors and junk, dude how old are you????

Sense of humor is one thing but to piss all over someone else's thread is just plain rude, but hey that seems to be the norm over here....

Most people that "AI" a .223 do it because it almost eliminates brass stretching and the need to trim.

Never liked the "AI" concept myself.

Hope that helps,
Terry

1/2Moa and TC1---I heard on the weather channel that Mississippi got hit with two tornadoes yesterday. Didn't hear any details. Hope you two are fine. What part of Ms do you live in?y

fgulla---Thanks for thinking about taking me hunting. What kind of food you serve on hunts? I have big appetite.

fuqula---there may be a small handfull of people that use this site to sell stuff and thus make some money. The rest of us it is entertainment. In the entertainment business lots of folks making good money with humor for example. A site like this would never be 100% serious and if it was would be boring as hell with few posters.

carpetmuncher

Im never serious 100% of the time, i love to play around, but not at the expense of others. As you will notice i didnt post anything in the "25 acp thread" because thats ridiculous and not even worth the time.

If i can help someone thats great, but i will never put someone down for a choice they have made in their life without knowing the details.

I really doesnt matter to me if someone wants to kill time or whatever, but i must admit, over the years i have learned a lot from inter-net forums. To each their own