Can any body tell me about this round i read that hornady was about to release it as a factory round ,if so who would be most likely to supply rifles for it or would we have to build our own.sounds like a great alternative to the 17 HMR and reloadable to boot,cos a pak of 50 here in Australia sets you back well over $20 i am sure i can load my own a lot cheaper

the k hornet is a blown out hornet. easily made my fireforming. just pup a hornet round in the chamber, pull the trigger and you will have a k hornet. the round was developed by a man named kilborn who was tired of getting the flyers a hornet is so famous for. it is a wonderful little round

I have a 17 Ackley Hornet Cooper and a 17 K Hornet on a Kimber. Both shoot 20gr V Max's at 3700-3800fps on 10.4gr of Hodgdon LilGun. Fun cartridges. Very effictive on game up to coyote size out to around 250 yards.

just got off the horn with Hornady....

they are planning a March 2012 launch for now..

Savage and Ruger have both indicated they will have factory rifles made for that round also..

when I mentioned the K Hornet, they indicated they are just going to call it the 17 Hornet..

so I don't know if that translates to using the K Hornet case or just the plain old Hornet case...

time will tell...

I am not necessarily going to be a big fan of it until I see what is happening in the field..

but I am sure happy that such development is going on out there...

Myself, I wouldn't mind where my Ruger 77/17 heavy barrel, would be available or modify-able where I could single shot the 17 Fireball on that size of platform...

Thanks guys found the article by Terry Wieland in the the latest Rifle magazine . he indicates that it is the K hornet necked down loaded with a 20 grn bullet at around 3650fps . Might have to start looking around for a martini action to build one on...or could my existing marlin 17HMR be rechambered etc ??Priced some HMR ammo in town yesterday ranged from $25-$30 a pak .I can reload 100 223 for that.

It would need to be a pretty strong 17HMR action. The early Kimber Hornet based rifles were built on the rimfire action opened up slightly.

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Originally posted by sambar02:
Thanks guys found the article by Terry Wieland in the the latest Rifle magazine . he indicates that it is the K hornet necked down loaded with a 20 grn bullet at around 3650fps . Might have to start looking around for a martini action to build one on...or could my existing marlin 17HMR be rechambered etc ??Priced some HMR ammo in town yesterday ranged from $25-$30 a pak .I can reload 100 223 for that.

Might (?) be able to rechamber, but then the bolt would have to be converted to centerfire. And, there would magazine issues as well. Don't think it would be cost effective.

I bet a Cooper or a Contender in 17 Ackley Hornet would chamber the 17 "K" hornet just fine.
Not having to fire form 17 ackley from 22 Hornet would be "the bee's knees".

I've had no problem using 17 fireball commercial brass in two different Mach IV's.

Just have to wait and see.

The little 17 ackley hornet is an effeciency expert.

Saubier.com has info. Also if you have access to old "Small Caliber News" issues there is quite a bit of info on the 17 Ackley Hornet.

Best

GWB

One rifle will be the 77/17 Platform like they use for the 22 Hornet...

the other would be Savage's Model 25...

I am somewhat of a 17 caliber fan. I got a 17 HM2, 17 HMR, 17 Fireball, and a 17 Rem . Darn ther goes an other SS check or two by the time I get a scope on it and reloading dies. Dont own a Savage rifle could be that I should try out the Savage Mdl 25.

I would have liked to have seen a 20 K Hornet.

I think it would be much more versatile.

I have a 5mm Remington RF Mag converted to center fire & it blows the 17 HMR away. (as much energy @ 185 yds as the HMR has @ the muzzle) 2450 fps W/a 32gr V-max. Seated out to the lands & single shot loaded, it shoots < 1/2" @ 100 yds for 5 shots. (when I do my part W/the crappy factory trigger.






The cases are from Schroeder & are formed from 22 Hornet brass W/the heads turned down.


Sighted in 2 1/2" high @ 100 yds, it is dead on @ 185 yds & about 1 1/2" low @ 200 yds.

Here is a 200 yd group.




I also opted for the Schroeder bolt head & I still have the original RF bolt head.

Not meaning to highjack the thread, but IMO, .204 is a much better option than .177.

Even in pellet rifles, the 20 cal is much more versitile that either 22 or 177.
The best compromize as far as Mv & BC for flat downrange trajectory & retained energy.

The 20 VarTarg, being the 221 Fireball necked down to 20 cal. is pretty neat. Works well with the 32 gr. Sierra Blitz.



GWB

GW,

You shoot that group before or after you drank the Shiner?

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Originally posted by Geedubya:
The 20 VarTarg, being the 221 Fireball necked down to 20 cal. is pretty neat. Works well with the 32 gr. Sierra Blitz.



GWB

I thought the Vartarg was a 223 necked down.

The virtual twin to the 204 Rugar.

That's a much higher pressure round on a larger action.

Not really fair to compare to a hornet based cartridge.

Still, it does give creadence to the superior BC of the .204 bullets compared to .224 or .177.

BTW, the 5mm CF load is W/6.8gr of Alliant 2400.

Less than $.02 worth of powder per shot.

Even W/the bullet, it costs about $17 to load 100 rds.

Great plinker gun. I used to carry it in the truck for chucks when I had horses. I shot every groundhog I saw when doing chores.

Geedubya has it right. The Vartarg is 221 case. The 204 Ruger is on the 222 Mag case and the 20 TAC is a 223 case with a shoulder angle change and a slightly longer neck. All of these are a whole different game than the 17 Hornets. But don't think the 17 Hornets can't build some pressure. I would not be surprised if some of my test loads were well into the 50k psi range or higher. When primers fall out during testing it's up there. Build these little guys on a decent action!

I've posted before, but here are several small caliber rounds. Every one of these can be found used, in one of the Cooper models.



l to r

17 ackley hornet, 17 hebee, 17 mach iv, 17 fireball, 17 remington, 20 vartarg, 20 tactical, 22 hornet, 218 bee, 221 fireball 222 Rem, 223 Rem, 223 Rem AI, 22-250, 220 swift.

best


GWB

well i see hornady are advertising this round now even here in australia but still no info about who is making rifles for it.Any body heard anything about who is going to... cos i sure want one but getting rifles here in Oz takes a bit of ordering and waiting (not real good at that)so figure to get in first

Dude where you been, get onto SAVAGE's web site

Savage have indicated they will be making it in the Model 25, at this stage no confirmation from Ruger but it's likely

All the test rifle were SAVAGE 25's

And it is NOT a K hornet, they have gone with a different shape, having said that I'm sure the people with K Hornets will be able to use the brass

You better get your local to do a pre order with NIOA

regards S&F

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Originally posted by wildcat junkie:
I thought the Vartarg was a 223 necked down.

The virtual twin to the 204 Rugar.

That's a much higher pressure round on a larger action.

Not really fair to compare to a hornet based cartridge.

Still, it does give creadence to the superior BC of the .204 bullets compared to .224 or .177.

Actually, Geedubya was correct, the 20 VarTarg is a necked-down 221 Fireball. There are two 20 caliber cartridges based on the 223: the 20 Tactical, with the shoulder pushed back and modified to 30 degrees; and the 20 Practical, which requires no additional modification after necking down.

There's a bunch of info on 20 caliber cartridges at http://www.6mmbr.com/20Caliber.html.

Davis

Rang my local gun store and ordered the thumbhole stock version .I see hornady has dies for them already,wonder how much trouble would be involved in sizing down standard hornet brass ? used to have a 22K hornet years ago should have some standard hornet brass stuck aside somewhere.

always a good source for .17 info:

http://www.saubier.com/forum.html

maybe this round will be Hot Core's new North Carolina elk rifle...this and 20 pounds of Blue Dot and me and Hot Core can go out and kill a couple thousand more deer...

they are releasing brass as well, they don't have the dimensions approved yet, so no manufacturers have started to produce rifles yet. if you shoot tiny calibers like the minks and squirrels like i do, the rifles and the brass will be a Godsend!