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| Posts: 3301 | Location: Southern NM USA | Registered: 01 October 2002 |
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| This my rifle, This is my gun, This is for huntin and this is for fun!
HAR!
As long as she understands the terminology, I suspect most anything will work. God knows if I could find myself some purty little petite thing, I'd get her any kind of rifle she wanted. A Model 7 sounds good to me. |
| Posts: 288 | Location: Kentucky | Registered: 23 August 2003 |
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| Some friends are first time hunters so they got a Tikka 308.That was too much recoil and too long a stock for the wife so she got a Savage 243 youth.Now both are happy and both guns can do 1". We'll see soon if they get the venison. |
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| While many people tout the 7mm-08, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the 243 for DEER, Antelope and ELK. I realize there has been comments that the 243 is too light for DEER (not top mention ELK) but that is BS plain and simple. A 243 bullet in the lungs has stopped ANY DEER OR ELK me, my sons and my wife have shot over the years, plain and simple.
Then again, we pick our shots and do a double lung shot....we bring home the meat. |
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| Papa, I'm mostly going by a 1 person sample so I have to keep in mind others may have differing experiences. I did read a couple of articles by Craig Boddington where he took his teenage daughter and Friend to Africa and they both found the Kimber ideal. With my wife who is 5'0 and about 105lbs her problem with shooting most rifles wasn't as much recoil as it was LOP and rifles that were too heavy for her to hold up and aim properly. To me it seems logical that a 210lb man with a 11lb rifle might have the same feeling as a 105lb woman with a 5 1/2lb gun. She's fired a 338 Win Mag or two and the only thing she complained about was the weight and not the recoil. But women are just like men in that some don't mind heavier recoil as much as others. I do think that you're right in wanting to keep recoil to a minimum especially at first. Since I handload my strategy if she was wanting to hunt would be to load some light bullet loads that had the same trajectory out to 200yds or so for training and then substitute the full power loads just for hunting. Some of the new reduced recoil factory ammo may be ideal for the non-handloader to do the same thing. I have 2 good buddy's that have taken wifes and daughters hunting and this strategy worked well for them. Also the availability of the excellent Kimber 22 Rimfire rifles that handle almost identically to there 84M gives another possible avenue to train a recoil sensitive shooter without getting them gunshy...........DJ |
| Posts: 3976 | Location: Oklahoma,USA | Registered: 27 February 2004 |
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I recommend that the barrel be no less than 22" to hold down the muzzel blast. I believe that muzzel blast is the foremost cause of flinching in inexperienced shooters. If she needs to hit ANYTHING, she needs to be able to practice with the rifle first. For the above reason, I would absolutely stay away from a muzzle brake unless it's a Vais. The barrel of my choice would also be of a reasonably heavy contour, at least a medium sporter perhaps a light varmint. If you need to futher reduce recoil, you can always go with a mercury recoil reducer in the stock.
The factory rifle list that fits the bill is slim to none.
I think that the first paragraph is excellent advice. The second has a notable exception. Kimber 84M's have 22in barrels. Their 1" recoil pad is relatively easy to exchange for a 1/4"pad to shorten LOP by 3/4" without having to cut the stock. They are also one of the lighter production rifles made. Also IMHO it doesn't hurt a bit that they are pretty. I had my 5'0, 110lb wife try my 84M in 308 on for size and I think that if the LOP was the 3/4" or so shorter it would fit her just about right. She said that it felt comfortable to her weight wise. If she wanted to hunt that would be the rifle she would want to use...........DJ |
| Posts: 3976 | Location: Oklahoma,USA | Registered: 27 February 2004 |
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| Clark, I've read these posts and the guys are pretty close to on suggesting the 7mm-08. I've started my daughter-in-Laws out with 7mm-08's and have never regretted it. If you look up the ballistics on a 7mm-08, you'll see that it just about stays right in there with the 270 Win., especially with the 130 gr. bullets and does it with about 5 grs less powder, plus it can go up to the 175 gr. bullet if needed. We load the '08's for the girls with light 100/115 gr. bullets at about 2500 fps for practice and rabbit hunting. Make sure they have ear protection (Muzzle blast can make a person flinch more than the kick sometimes) and have them shooting targets out to 300 yds or so. As they progress in the shooting skills, you can turn up the bullet speed and eventually use full loads for hunting. One girl now has an Antelope and a Desert Bighorn with her rifle and the other has a nice big Muley Buck (They've taken these animals with medium speed loads - 130 gr. bullet @2700 fps.) and they both are totally corrupted to hunting. Makes my day. Godsdog. |
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| If you happen to be an east coast woods hunter, you could hardly do better for your intended than a CZ 527 Carbine in 7.63x39. It's light, accurate, low recoil, handsome, and not overly expensive. Main limitation is the effective range of 150 yards. If long range shooting is expected, you would want something else. |
| Posts: 1570 | Location: Base of the Blue Ridge | Registered: 04 November 2002 |
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