Gentlemen,

I got the following from my friend Todd Kindler. I am not really sure whether I should call him my friend after he shot my buffalo

It's called the 22 Ferguson Ace with 3 different powders driving the
Hornady 50 V-Max over 4000 fps! It is based on the Lapua 6 BR case with
a 45-degree shoulder. Normally the BR and PPC cases have a tendency to
get tight; however, the 45-degree shoulder really seems to help in that
regard. We set out with 4000 fps as our goal but I never thought it
would do it. We also tested the 40 gr. Hornady V-Max bullets in the 4300
fps range. We are planning on testing the 52 gr. Shilen match bullets
and the 52 gr. Hornady A-Max bullets next. A complete article will be in
our fall issue of Small Caliber News in September. I thought you would
find this interesting.

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saeed@ emirates.net.ae

www.accuratereloading.com

Have yet to try a V-max as they don't make them over 55 gr.s. I know Sierra and Hornady heavier bullets come apart at 3600-3700 FPS. They're made for 600 yd. .223 PALMA rifles. Nozler 55 gr. has done 4300 FPS in my rifle with exellent groups.

Other than that one bullet, I'm limited to J-40 and J-36.

I did hit an elk with a 78 gr. J-36....Perfect!

Hey Saeed, how much powder are you using in this new round?
Thanks
Brooks

BLH,

Todd is running this test, may be he can tell us.

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saeed@ emirates.net.ae

www.accuratereloading.com

Hello,
We set out to design a maximum capacity 22 BR based on the superb Lapua 6 BR brass. Our goal was to push the 50 gr. Hornady V-Max bullets at 4000 fps. I really did not think it would do it; however, the 22 Ferguson Ace did it with three different powders already! We are going to continue testing the little 22 hot-rod in the next month and do an article in the fall issue of Small Caliber News and report back here as well. We are currently running 29 to 39 grains of medium range powders. The cases with our top loads do not seem to get tight and we are using Wilson neck and seater dies only that we had custom made. I think the 45 degree shoulder is helping with that. I hope this helps.
I have been very busy finishing up our new 20 caliber reloading manual available in a month or so and putting together the summer issue of Small Caliber News. Good shooting!

Todd Kindler-Editor Small Caliber News www.smallcaliber.com or Ph.(330)897-0614

Am i dreaming or do I remember a cartridge called the .220 Swift that did this 65 years ago?

Problem is not really the best short action 22 centerfire. Also this cartridge gets the same velocity of the swift with %25 less powder. It is also well known that a shorter fatter powder column burns more effectively and effeciently.

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DanD,

I read above that up to 39 grains of powder is used which is two grains above the normal .220 Swift load.

Short fat cartridges are only more "efficient" so far in marketing ad's. I don't see it in the real world so far.

I see no reason why Boyles Law does not apply. P=V/T

boyles law is one of the "ideal gas laws" (charles' law being the other). it applies to changes in pressure (of a gas) in relation to changes in volume and/or temperature (of a gas).

since the powder starts off as a solid, and is then converted to a gas, then boyle's law does not apply directly to the situation of powder burning inside a cartridge - it is a far more complicated scenario. among other things, you have to consider how long it takes that powder to convert to gas (burn time).

theoretically, the short, fat case burns the powder more efficiently. the question is, what does "efficiently" mean in this scenario? does the powder burn more uniformly? more rapidly? does more of the powder burn while still contained in the case (as opposed to burning while travelling down the barrell)?

Wow, nice looking little cases.That looks like a short action Sako, is it an AII or an L579? How does it feed those short rounds?I have an L579 action that I am looking to barrel, to what I don't know yet.More food for thought.

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Thanks Tcencore. That explaination clears things up!

So it's so complicated that I can't figure it out huh? Lets find out what the water capacity of this wildcat is and go from there.

You take the high road, and I'll take the low road.

What is cool, is seeing how many ways we can get the same result... Just cause its been done, don�t mean it cant be done again some other way.

The actual result is more to choose from when starting out, or sometimes more to confuse some one.

Oh, how bout this reason, now I need to build a new gun, cause I don�t have that one?

Scout, Keep up the good work you all...

If I recall the article in Precision Shooting correctly, the reason for more "efficiency" is the fact that less of the powder (% wise) is in contact with the wall of the case and that means that more of the powder is in contact with powder burning all around it. Makes sense to me.

Donnely put the H20 capacity for the 6mmBR at 37.91 gr, the 220 Swift at 46.25 and my 22-243 at 53.19 gr full to the brim. Deduct whatever amount you lose when you seat your bullet and the Ferguson Ace still comes out a VERY NICE CARTRIDGE and it looks like it can shoot just standing there.

I ran some numbers by Mr. Powley to see what he would come up with: using 35 gr H20, calse lengthe 1.52", COL 2.1", Muzzle to breech 28", 50 gr bullet at 0.790" and the results were 30gr IMR 4895 gave 3683fps at 45223psi CUP. Run the pressure up to around 53,000psi CUP and I can see you getting 4 grand. You didn't give the powders but my guess is 4895's, RL-15, VV 140-150, Varget, 4064's, maybe H380 would all be in the ball park to work with.

The Swift did a good job so many years ago then sat on it's tush. I think P.O. A. himself would approve of this one. Makes my Middlested look like a gross powder hog. I think, maybe, we are learning some not so new tricks, some very new tricks, and, as usual, nothing is cast in stone in this sport. I have an action that would work just great for this cartridge if it proves up. Keep the world posted.

Does anyone have a drawing of this case or know where a person can get a reamer?

Lightnin:

Try www.smallcaliber.com

That site may have references for you.

the_captn

Other than the shoulder angle what is the difference between this and the 22 Dasher?

Saeed

I thought it looked to green to be the Emirates.

That is a neat looking round.But I am a old guy and having a hard time keeping up with the new fast shooters.
There is still some rifleing in my Swift .That will just have to do for now.Maybe a good deal from you you when you tire shooting it.

BTW, thank you for having such a great site.So much info here.

six bits,

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