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223 FMJBT's on game performance

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11 November 2009, 20:03
rickt300
223 FMJBT's on game performance
I would like to hear about successes and failures of this type of bullet on game. I have used some of the XM193 on deer and small hogs with good success but the 55 gr. fmjbt in various ammo available is not exactly the same bullet. Some are steel jacketed and have no cannelure. For instance like the steel cased Monarch ammo.


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11 November 2009, 20:47
Jerry Eden
If you pith or spine your target, your'e in good shape, if not you may be in for a long tracking/chase.

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12 November 2009, 03:01
Doctor D
I've had rather lousy results on coyotes with 55 gr FMJ Mil-Surp. A couple I hit in the shoulder went down pretty fast. I lost several after hitting them squarely through the lungs.

I used them on one muley buck I came upon that someone else had blown the lower jaw off of. It had it's head stuck in a cedar tree and I shot it 6 times through the heart/lung area. After waiting a few minutes it finally backed up and I put one behind the ear to finish it off.

I wouldn't intentionally use them on anything.


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12 November 2009, 03:14
Chuck White
Here in NY, full metal jacketed bullets are illegal for hunting game animals.
Here we have to use an expanding point bullet!

About the only fair place to use FMJ's is on woodchucks and the like!


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12 November 2009, 05:03
rolltop
quote:
Originally posted by Chuck White:
Here in NY, full metal jacketed bullets are illegal for hunting game animals.
Here we have to use an expanding point bullet!

A

This is the case in most states with Texax among the few permitting hunting with FMJs
12 November 2009, 06:12
390ish
my father in law shot a turkey with some loads that i had loaded to military equivalent velocities with a hornady 55 grain fmj. it dropped the turkey, but made such a mess that he could salvage very little meat. the bullet fragmented in a big way.
12 November 2009, 07:49
seafire2
enough good examples have been used already...

I'll just support NOT using an FMJ on game.. even varmints.. I have them ricochet way too bad..
12 November 2009, 07:49
montdoug
Back in the old days Elmer Kieth became very negative on the .30-06. As I remember it the "rest of the story" as it were was the fact he was using military FMJ ammo and it was penciling right through taking all the energy it was carrying with it out to parts unknown and wounded animals were getting away. A .22 caliber with it's smaller frontal area would be so much the worse than the bigger .30 caliber. My choice would be an expanding spitzer bullet designed for hunting. My 2cents.


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12 November 2009, 07:59
kennedy
Don't use em, I seen a person use a M1 FMJ's on a deer. 4 or 5 shots and still standing. I think he would of been better off using a 22 and stingers.
12 November 2009, 08:18
bcp
There was once an article in a gun magazine, or maybe Gun Digest, that recommended FMJ round nose for use in North America, since it worked so well in Africa on similar sized animals.

Bruce
12 November 2009, 08:34
Winchester 69
quote:
Originally posted by bcp:
There was once an article in a gun magazine, or maybe Gun Digest, that recommended FMJ round nose for use in North America, since it worked so well in Africa on similar sized animals.

Large bore.


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12 November 2009, 18:58
rickt300
I'm not sure it is legal to use fmj's on deer in Texas but cna't find this years book. I have used the Federal XM193 55 gr. FMJ on some hogs and during a culling operation. This bullet at least at close range tends to tumble and break apart making it pretty effective. This bullet is very thin jacketed with the cannelure almost going thru to the core. The Monarch FMJ is a much tougher steel jacket without A cannelure which may tumble but I figure this bullet won't break up. I agree though CNS hits only.


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12 November 2009, 20:20
bartsche
EekerTurn em around and shot them backwards****Or not holycowroger


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13 November 2009, 22:58
rickt300
I used to shoot the Speer .243 75 grain hollow points backwards for Turkey loads. Worked preety good. In the 6MM Rem I think my load was 14.0 grs. of IMR 4227.


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