Im looking at getting a new or used rifle within the next couple months. It would be used primirarly for shooting charging milk jugs and empty 2 liter bottles etc. Then I might shoot a deer with it once or twice a year and maybe a hog or two, maybe a coyote now and then and possibly a cow elk sometime if I can find a cow elk on the cheap.
A couple of the different ones im looking at is a CZ in 6.5x55 with the full stock and sights,
or a CZ, 7x57 from the limited run they did, or a used 7x57 of some sort
and one other rifle I would possibly consider is one of the new Win Mod 70's in 264 Win Mag.

I think the Full stock cz would be a fun little rifle, but I like the idea of either of them and am also open to suggestions. Thank you

A CZ full stock is a thing of beauty; and mine shoots well too!

For the uses you cataloged get the 6.5X55 or 7X57. A lot more pleasant to shoot and less expensive to reload. The .264 is really overkill for milk jugs.

Jerry Liles

If you go with the CZ FS in 6.5, just realize it will be a little heavy. Mine is 8.2 lbs without scope, 9 lbs with a 1.5x5 Leupy. My 9.3 FS is about 7.5 lbs without scope.

Ruger #1 in 7x57

What is the trigger pull on the CZ if you set it?

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Originally posted by Jerry Liles:
For the uses you cataloged get the 6.5X55 or 7X57. A lot more pleasant to shoot and less expensive to reload. The .264 is really overkill for milk jugs.

Jerry Liles

Ive had 300 Win Mag, 300 Ultra, 338 win, shot 375 H&H so the recoil isnt really much of an issue

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Originally posted by Jarrod:
What is the trigger pull on the CZ if you set it?

IIRC it is between 9 oz and 12 oz.






I've owned both 6.5 x 55 and 308 Win in the full stocked CZ's. Fine rifles and accurate.

Best

GWB

Recoil may not be an issue but why get beat up for the purpose you described? There is a lot to be said for a rifle that gets the job done without a fuss. I've shot everything from an 8" howitzer to .17 rimfire but as I get older, and, perhaps, wiser I keep coming back to cartridges like the 7X57, .257, 260 Rem or 6.5x55.

Jerry Liles

For the purposes you described, I might be tempted to get a CZ 527 Carbine in 7.62x39. It'll do fine on deer and hogs at moderate ranges, and as an added bonus there's lots of cheap plinking ammo on the market. 7.62x39 is too light for elk, but other than that, I think it would be a decent choice.

Get the full stock in 6.5x55

Very good looking rifle and a great cartridge and will do the job very well on what you consider it for and it will do well on a bull Elk to.

I also like the 7x57 cartridge.

I've been shooting .264's for over 45 years and have taken too many diffent types of game with one, ranging from rabbits to elk, to even list.

Unless you are an experienced reloader who owns a chronograph and understands how to guage pressures, don't even consider the beloved and capable .264. It is an expert's rifle to load for and factory loads are excessively expensive, scarce, and underperforming.

As between the 6.5 "Swede" and the 7mm "Mauser", there's little practical difference in them. The 7x57 has a standard .470" head size. The Swede actually has a rim .010" larger, but American ammunition companies ignore this and make undersized cases. Because of this I would probably opt for the 7x57. But the sun will likely still rise in the morning if you go for the 6.5.

The .270 Winchester sits between them in bullet size. It is loaded in a wide variety of high-performing ammunition choices which are priced more affordably. I know you didn't ask, but it would be a choice which is difficult to beat for your applications.

Of the cartirdges you mentioned, I would go with the 7x57. Why? mainly because I have three. Frankly, I'm damn near halfway through my seventh decade and recoil just ain't the fun it used to be. I can still shoot the harder kicking rifles but it's not fun with the arthritis that is apparently growing in my right shoulder. Shoting the .300 Mag. and the like is getting uncomfortable but tolerable. It's that pain a few hours later that is the problem. I'll never give up my .35 Whelen but it too may stay home come December when I do my cow elk hunt. Just have to figure out a load I'm comfortable with for an animal that large. I've always used a .300 mag. or the .35 Whelen for elk. Did pack a 30-06 a few times but on those hunts the elk refused to cooperate.
Paul B.

I,m mighty partial to the full stock CZs, but a full stock stainless Ruger in 7x57 has a certain ring to it... The CZs seem to fit me better, like the looks of the Rugers, but they always seem a bit small for me. For some reason though, keep pondering the idea of getting a 7x57 RSI, re-barreling it to 257 Roberts..
The gun I seem to spend the most time with is a full stock CZ in 9.3. Get the one thats talkin to ya.

I own two of each; 6.5x55 and 7X57. If there is any real difference it might be a 175gr 7mm vs a 160gr 6.5 bullet. Bullet selection in each is adequate and a lot of elk have been killed with 150 gr. or so bullets in a number of calibers.I have never found cases to be a real problem in the 6.5 and loaded European ammo can still be had at reasonable prices.
The overall solution would be to get both. roger

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Originally posted by Jerry Liles:
Recoil may not be an issue but why get beat up for the purpose you described? There is a lot to be said for a rifle that gets the job done without a fuss. I've shot everything from an 8" howitzer to .17 rimfire but as I get older, and, perhaps, wiser I keep coming back to cartridges like the 7X57, .257, 260 Rem or 6.5x55.

Jerry Liles

I've shot the howtizers also as I was in Artillery when I was in the army. I started out on a Paladin 155mm, then was in the 101st when I went to Iraq and was on 105mm. I never tried to shoot one from my shoulder though . We did have a gunner try to ride the trails on a charge 8 though

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
I've been shooting .264's for over 45 years and have taken too many diffent types of game with one, ranging from rabbits to elk, to even list.

Unless you are an experienced reloader who owns a chronograph and understands how to guage pressures, don't even consider the beloved and capable .264. It is an expert's rifle to load for and factory loads are excessively expensive, scarce, and underperforming.

As between the 6.5 "Swede" and the 7mm "Mauser", there's little practical difference in them. The 7x57 has a standard .470" head size. The Swede actually has a rim .010" larger, but American ammunition companies ignore this and make undersized cases. Because of this I would probably opt for the 7x57. But the sun will likely still rise in the morning if you go for the 6.5.

The .270 Winchester sits between them in bullet size. It is loaded in a wide variety of high-performing ammunition choices which are priced more affordably. I know you didn't ask, but it would be a choice which is difficult to beat for your applications.

I would consider myself a basic reloader but I would consider my dad a very experienced reloader. and I would consider my dads friend almost an expert.
What is it about the 264 in your opinion that makes it an experts rifle to load for?

Now as far as headsize on a rifle that I would never hunt dangerous game with I don't care what the headsize is.

I know a 270 is also a pratical choice but I have a bad taste in my mouth from 270s going all the way back to when I was a kid. Some day I may buy one for the heck of it and try hunting with it.

One of my stepbrothers has a winchester featherweight in 7x57, it is an older push feed model. That is one of the sweetest shooting and carrying rifles ever for hunting. On the few times we've hunted together I've inevitably looked over at one point and wished I had his rifle at 2lbs lighter than whatever I'm carrying.

Red

I vote for the 7x57 or it's kissin kuz the 7-08 for more gun's to choose from.

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What is it about the 264 in your opinion that makes it an experts rifle to load for?

Factory loaded .264 ammunition (mostly now only available in 140 grain bullets) chronographs around 2800 fps versus the 3050 fps (and formerly 3200 fps) that is listed for it. It is a great waste of case capacity and barrel length for it to perform almost identically to the much smaller 6.5x55, which even has a much lower SAAMI pressure limit.

Therefore, it is a reloader's cartridge. Getting a 140 grain bullet up to the 3100-3150 fps range that the cartridge is capable of requires a VERY slow powder (hint: IMR 7828 is way too fast). I use surplus military powders originally made for either the 20mm or the 50 BMG to achieve the desired performanc with 140 grain bullets and still keep pressures in the safe and sustainable range. There is no published data for these powders, so a reloader is in uncharted territory when using them. That's why I say that the .264 is an "expert" reloader's caliber. In fitting with your parochial tag line, with the .264 the handloader is truly going beyond the bounds of science and putting himself in the hands of god.

If you're satisfied with sauntering along at sub-3000 fps velocities, then just get a 6.5x55 or a .260 Rem.

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Originally posted by Muttly:
I,m mighty partial to the full stock CZs, but a full stock stainless Ruger in 7x57 has a certain ring to it... The CZs seem to fit me better, like the looks of the Rugers, but they always seem a bit small for me. For some reason though, keep pondering the idea of getting a 7x57 RSI, re-barreling it to 257 Roberts..
The gun I seem to spend the most time with is a full stock CZ in 9.3. Get the one thats talkin to ya.

I have a tang safety RSI in .308 and it is one of my favorite rifles. One hell of a deer slayer. I've only seen one in 7x57 and the guy was firm at $1,500. Couldn't get him to budge. Oh well. maybe one of these day my luck will change.
Paul B.