Has anyone here gotten any actual field use with this bullet on deer/antalope size game from hi velocity .22 centerfires?

I load cartridges for a friend taht insists on using one gun for everything, gophers to SD whitetails. It's a 22-250 and it is a shooter. When these PT's came out I insisted that he try them in his rifle, they shoot sub-MOA and the performance is acceptable on whitetails, last fall he took his buck through the shoulders, it broke the onside heavy bone, demolished the lungs nicely and the core was sitting in the other shoulder. Good performance if you insist on a .22 centerfire, me, I like my .30-06 with a 165 NBT. Good luck!
Yardbird

Hi yardbird

Do you know the recipe for the partition load your friend was using.
I too have a 22-250 and i have not yet managed to make this bullet shoot acceptable groups at any velocity from around 3000fps to 3600fps.
maybe your friends rifle has a non standard twist and not the factory T. of 1:14.
Any info of how to tame this otherwise fine bullet will be appreciated.

Karsten

60g bullets will not shoot worth acrap out of a 1-14. I tried for a while even though Berger and Shilien say it takes a 1-12 or better I tried anyway. Well I now have a 1-12 and only shoot 60g. bullets. My sugestion would be try 38.5 to 40g or W760.

Norma 62gr SP shoots OK in my Sako .222. At 870 m/s I get decent 1/2" groups at 100 meters (110 yds). The bullet is great on roe deer, it seems to leave the same cute little 1/2" exit wound regardless of where I hit (spine, central chest, heart wound etc). And, indeed, my Sako has a 14" barrel twist.

My friend has a 1:12 twist barrel, they won't shoot worth a damn out of a 1:14, he has a different rifle with a 1:14 that won't shoot them. I hope you're not SOL
Yardbird

With a Sako I would bet that it is a 1-12. No expert though. My dad's Sako 223 shoots the 60g bullets the best out of all the bullets we have tried through it.

The Sako 75 in 222 has a 14" twist. It is the Sako in .223" that has a 12" twist. And indeed, my .222 handles Normas 62grain Softpoint just great. Which is also what I've heard from people who have failed to get their 14" .222's to shoot 60gr Noslers straight.

The 62gr Norma SP is, however, very short and stubby.

I agree with all that's been said , I would like to add one point . If you realy want to use a .22/250 on game , rather go for the Barnes X , and stick to velocities around 2400 fps to 2900 fps . I have a article in one of my Magnum magazines that tested barnes in a .22-250 , and a .22 hornet . Needles to say the Hornet outperformed the .22/250 by far . And no I am not shooting the .22/250 off , I owm rifles in both calibres . It just comes down to terminal performance . I have shot many impala , blesbuck etc with both rifles , & found that the .22/250 works great for head shots, and the hornet penetrates better on any chest shots .

Rudie

On the 24th I shoot 2 deer using the 60 grain pill. I was hesitant about using them on deer so I aimed for the lungs not the shoulder in both cases. The first deer when hit landed on the ground then jumped about 10 yards and hit the ground again. His traveling companion just looked around like that must have been one heck of a bug bite so he got bit by the same bug as his partner. This one's side caved in and he hit the ground with a thud then jumped up and ran off. Took off after the second one hit, he had headed to the tree line. Looked for blood and only found a few drops. To say I was confused was a given. Started looking and found the second hit deer 30 yds from where I hit him layed out in a small pool of blood. Couldn't see an entrace hole and the exit hole was about 3/8" in diameter. Now to find the first one. Again not much blood. Looked on the other side of the pipeline underneath a pine tree. It had a visible entrance and exit hole laying in a puddle of blood. The deer both weighed right at 115 lbs. The range was 150 yds. I am completley pleased with the bullet performance. Both were pass throughs and they both expanded as they should. The lungs were shreaded. The two things are as follows. Don't be hesitant to make a shoulder shot with them. After examining the bodies and the pass throughs I will be using them out to 200 yds with no concerns. The second thing is don't expect much of a blood trail. I expected much more with a lung shot. So now I know. Granted these may not be everyones experience but these are mine on two deer. From now on it is a shoulder shot with the 60gr. part. in a 22-250 ack for me. The strange thing was their reaction. These deer are hunted hard and heavy yet at the sound of the shot the deer didn't run. It was like it was so quiet that it must have been really far away not 150 yds. The accuracy out of my VVC 28 1/4" barrel is 3/4" c to c. the barrel is much better with varmint bullets but that was the best I could do with the 1- 14" twist and the partition. now to the next project, a better scope. Thanks for reading.

How about the 60gr Win Power Point bullet? Does anyone have any experience with that bullet? I was going to try them this fall on some crop damage tag deer. It was either that or the partitions, and the pp's are a lot cheaper (squeak, squeak!).

Shots would be at broadside, lung shot only.

Funny,the Nosler 60 grain Partition groups 0.5 inch for five shots at 100 yards for me out of my Ruger #1 22-250,which has a 1-14 twist.Even funnier,is that four out of five of my 22-250s all shoot the Speer 70 grainer into 0.5 inch for five-and every one of them have 1-14 twists.The only reason I say four out of five is because I haven't shot the 5th one yet!

Have a friend who's killed a small pile of deer with the 60 grain Partition.Said he couldn't tell the difference between it and his 243 loaded with 100s.He's shot deer with his 22-250 with everything from 50 grain TNTs to the 70 grain Speer and a custom made 65 grain bullet.Said the Nosler was tied for best with the Speer 70 grainer.

Matt,
Post a new thread about the 64 grain Winny so Big Stick will see it.He's killed a pile of deer with it out of a 223 AI,as has his son.

[ 11-30-2002, 10:46: Message edited by: Brian M ]

I shot a few Blesbok and Springbok with it when it first came out and I am normally a Nosler fan but I went back to the 60 gr. Hornady H.P. as it is still the best deer bullet I have found for the hot 22's from 222 to 22-250////

I tried these np's in my new to me Sako AII, 1.5" groups are as good as I can get. Same with 60 gr. Hornadys. I thought the make a fun Antelope load.

It has become very fashionable in the last few years to blame accuracy problems on "too slow twist". That's not the case with the 60 grain Nosler Partition. It will shoot just fine out of the normal 1-14" twist found in most sporter .22 centerfires. If you have accuracy problems with it, look all of the usual places before laying it off on "twist".

Last month my 10 year-old grandson shot his first deer, a mature West Texas whitetail doe, with a bolt action .223 using the 60 Partitions. One shot, entered the shoulder, exited offside behind the shoulder, deer ran twenty steps before piling up. The year before a friend's grandson used the same rifle/load with the same results on a fair-sized buck.

Haven't tried the Noslers. In .222 and .223 the results, and this a lot of deer, have been so excellent using either Winchester or Remington 55 grain cup and cores, saw no need to spend more on Noslers.

I've gotten fantastic accuracy out of a factory Remington 700 with a 26" 1:14 twist with both the 60gr partition and the 60gr Hornady soft point. It did take a max load of Varget, CCI BR-2 primers and seating the bullet out just a smidge to get it, but its there.

On game I prefer the Hornady bullet.

In my 1-14 22-250 the 60 Gr NP keyholes beyond 30 yards it misses the target?

I think everybody is right about this one. Ive had a number of .22-250s with a 14 twist. Some shot 60 and even 70 grain bullets, others ( in a couple cases by the same manufacturer...) didn't shoot them worth a hoot.
It seems a 12 twist in any cf .22 will stabilize the NPT 60 grainer. I know for sure a 10 twist does...shot a few of them out of a 10 twist .223
Accuracy was definitely OK, being pretty much moa,and performance on game is excellent.
I personally prefer Barnes TTSXs for the accuracy, but tend to play around with just about everything...

I have taken a few deer and hogs with this bullet. No problems what so ever. It mostly has been a 22-250, and 223. We did use it a few times with a 22-6mm...did fine.

Ed

STonecreek is spot on..twist may or may not be the problem...

You simply have to shoot a bullet to know withoug a doubt how it will perform..

I have two Savage 99s with 1x14 twist, they are not supposed to shoot bullets heavier than 85 grs. They both shoot flat base 100 gr. bullet into less than an inch and they shoot the 117 gr. RN Hornady into and 1.5" every time..They also shoot all the light bullets Ive tried over the years..

I have an old REM 600 222 that shoots 60 gr. HOrnadys into 1 to 1.5 inch groups, and its killed a truck load of Mule deer for all my kids and grandkids as they grew up. It shoots light bullets into one hole groups, but 1.5" is a fine deer load, you don't need a tack driver to kill a 200 lb. Mule deer.

you just don't know until you try them and if they don't shoot check the bedding etc..They may not but the only way to be sure it try them'

As to the Nosler 22 caliber 60 gr. bullet. It is a partition bullets and those who use the partition know its cross section expansion is less than most bullets by design to accommodate penetration therefore in calibers like the 22 and 6mm and even the 257 to a lesser degree but never the less suspect, they simply tend to cause problem from time to time and you spend a day on the track and may even lose an animal. They just don't do enough tissue damage, they are too small in cross section and don't quote me instances of success, Im aware of that, its those "occasions" wherein they tend to fail form time to time.

Nosler partition are the best bullets on the market IMO, but partitions and bonded cores start at .270 and .308 caliber and up..

The 60 gr. Hornady SP or HP, is the best killer that I have used in the 22s on deer size game.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
It has become very fashionable in the last few years to blame accuracy problems on "too slow twist". That's not the case with the 60 grain Nosler Partition. It will shoot just fine out of the normal 1-14" twist found in most sporter .22 centerfires. If you have accuracy problems with it, look all of the usual places before laying it off on "twist".

Last month my 10 year-old grandson shot his first deer, a mature West Texas whitetail doe, with a bolt action .223 using the 60 Partitions. One shot, entered the shoulder, exited offside behind the shoulder, deer ran twenty steps before piling up. The year before a friend's grandson used the same rifle/load with the same results on a fair-sized buck.

Sounds great Stoney, please tell us all what the load is? thanks FS

I shot those in my 22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer.
They were the only bullet that held together over 5000fps.

The 22 EL is a necked-down 378 Wbee. Bob Forker did the development work for NASA in the late '50's. They were testing heat shields for the satellites. They made "BB's" out of meteorites and shot them about 7000fps. I did an Ackley version.

Those bullets held together at 5400fps, and grouped from a 1:8" twist Savage single shot in 3/8ths of an inch at 100yds. Very sturdily constructed.

I shot a few coyotes with it at long distance. It penetrated one shoulder blade, then expanded in the off shoulder.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
As to the Nosler 22 caliber 60 gr. bullet. It is a partition bullets and those who use the partition know its cross section expansion is less than most bullets by design to accommodate penetration therefore in calibers like the 22 and 6mm and even the 257 to a lesser degree but never the less suspect, they simply tend to cause problem from time to time and you spend a day on the track and may even lose an animal. They just don't do enough tissue damage, they are too small in cross section and don't quote me instances of success, Im aware of that, its those "occasions" wherein they tend to fail form time to time.

Nosler partition are the best bullets on the market IMO, but partitions and bonded cores start at .270 and .308 caliber and up..

The 60 gr. Hornady SP or HP, is the best killer that I have used in the 22s on deer size game.

The 60g Hornady will shoot one inch groups in my Sako Vixen .222
I tried the 70 grain Speer because all said that it was designed for a 1:14 twist...but no go. Eight inch groups.
But the 53 grain TSX's are not supposed to stablise at all - and they will shoot 1.5-1.8 inch five shot groups, which is good enough for deer hunting. And they break shoulders too and will exit on a red stag.

I would try the 62 grain Norma since its has been approved of here by the citizens, but I cant think that it would improve on the 60 grain Hornady SP, which is also a cheaper bullet, as are the 55 grain interlocks with the cannelure, which are not to be disdained as a decent deer bullet.
I know someone who has killed a lot of red deer with the Sierra 52g HPBT match, and calls them an excellent deer bullet in this cartridge, but I have not shot anything with it, although it will do half inch groups in my rifle.

Moral of the story, you don't need special bullets to kill deer out of a .222 Remington, and I don't head shoot anything.

I agree the 222 is IMO a better deer killer, simply because its easier on bullets. It is my all time favorite 22 caliber, but I have seen the 22-250 perform with honor and again with that 60 gr. Hornady HP or SP.

An awesome deer load in the high velocity field of choices is the 87 gr. 250-3000, its a lightening strike on deer. but, as with the 22-250 and its ilk, tissue damage becomes a factor with me..I like to kill quickly but also cleanly and that in itself negates high velocity..My favorite 200 yard gun for deer is a 30-30 or 25-35, beyond that a 100 gr. 250-3000 or a 7x57 covers all the bases..