Now here is a sub species that should tip over more easily when a 224 projectile speeds into its body cavity. FS

Killing deer ain't rocket science. Drill the shoulders with a good bullet and deer dies.

Great bullets abound and headstamps are basically moot, avoiding the extremes.

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Killing deer ain't rocket science. Drill the shoulders with a good bullet and deer dies.

Great bullets abound and headstamps are basically moot, avoiding the extremes.

Is this true if one is planning on shooting thousands of them?

let me guess, 223 for Coues(sp?) deer next

All of these threads are BS, load good bullets such as 60gr partitions, 62gr barnes, 64gr power points, etc, and go shoot some deer. Put it where it is supposed to be and watch them die!!!! It is that easy!!! If you cant put it where the blood pumper is dont do it!!! If you think it wont work dont do it!!! If you want your kid of wife to kill deer do it!!! If you cant kill deer with anything less than a 300 super ultra kick ass mag AI then dont try it!!!

I have this feeling that all critters are getting tougher every year. Until 1973, everything was legal for roe deer in Sweden. Lots of people used .22Hornet and they did die.

Now, since the roe deer have gone tougher, .22Hornet is no longer legal but .221 Fireball and up is legal. However, still plenty of people that claim these rounds are underpowered so I guess the roe deer polulation is mutating quickly to develop body armor or something.

Some 50% of the moose shot in Sweden (all in all maybe 100000 moose per year) are shot with 6,5x55 and still I run into people (mostly on the Internet) that says it takes a bonded superbullet the size of a fist and the speed of a lightning bolt to knock an animal over.

What's so scary about a deer running for 80 meters before dropping? Does everybody hunt in their back yards?

Let's face it, the development of bonded super bullets have put the requirements of the gun's chambering almost down to zero. Wait for a broadside shot and you will take down a moose with averything that is centerfire if you put the shot where ist should be and use a good bullet.

Choice of chambering becomes an issue only when you have to take shots at shitty angles, and very few people are in such bad situations that they HAVE to take dishonorable shots. I have to, from time to time, since I specialize in tracking wounded game.

375 H&H should be the lower limite for deer hunting and you'd better with plus P loads to be sure that deer is going to die
cheers
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The problem is not killing the deer, it's the amount of meat damage you do to an animal that only weighs about 125 lbs. A 22LR works fine if you limit yourself to head shots at 50 yards. Any decently constructed bullet at moderate velocity will do the job. If you want to load a 45-50gr bullet in a 223 to 2750fps and choose your shots carefully, go ahead. Not my thing but it's legal in my state. Personally, I use a 30-06 with 150's or the 375 with 235's, that let's me take whatever shot is offered and minimizes the tracking chores.

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375 H&H should be the lower limite for deer hunting and you'd better with plus P loads to be sure that deer is going to die

And if it charges???? You need a proven stopper.
Peter.

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375 H&H should be the lower limite for deer hunting and you'd better with plus P loads to be sure that deer is going to die

And if it charges???? You need a proven stopper.
Peter.

I agree with you guys...

you've made me see the light...

last two weeks with all of these threads, I have sold all of my firearms and 'upgraded' to the 460 Weatherby.....

Love that round! even if I miss the animal...the muzzle blast bowls them over dead!

its kinda like having a laser powered shotgun!

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What's so scary about a deer running for 80 meters before dropping?

If they are 300 meters away, another 80 meters into the woods can be a problem.
Then there was the guy that shot the zebra at 300 yards with a .223. How much energy and penetration does a .223 have at 300 yards?

I have seen 222 223 and the 22-250 used on blacktail with mixed results.
*Clear shots, not running where you have easy shot placement seemed a given.
*Running shots on a spooked deer was iffy at best.
*Big deer or poor angles was a no no.

Although small in general some of these deer get large. The one below was 159 pounds after 3 days hanging. It was butcher ready at that weight with no head horns hide feet or intrails. Live weight would have been well over 200 pounds. This animal was shot less than 5 miles from the Pacific Ocean.




I have used a .224 caliber myself, but cannot do so any longer due to my personal experience.

I keep the .257/.264 as the optimal caliber personally, but most people here use .308. Not barn burners but standard calibers.

Although I do not use one I think from watching many of the old timers that the Savage 99 in 300 Savage is about as good as it gets.