John,

Tried my 22-06 out last Sunday..........

It shot .268 for 3 shots with the Barnes 70TSX and 52 grains of Re-22 for 3760fps.

And it put the 80gr Nosler CC into .4 at 3655fps.

28" barrel from Robert Tobler with a 1:8 twist on a Rem700 with a S&B4-16X50 in Badger Rings and bases.

Damn, the baboons are in trouble

Blair,

Good to hear from you.. you have to send me your email address so we can keep in touch....

That sounds like that round is a resounding success.. impressive groups...

Are you going to try that TSX load on kangaroos?

Be interesting to see what kind of results that would yield.. that sounds like it would be one heck of an antelope rifle for the western USA...

Are you familiar with 24 hour campfire web site? you ought to check in with that one here

( hopefully Saeed will forgive me for promoting another web site on here, although I don't see them as competitive to AR here...)

hopefully you will keep me updated with the some field reports on game with that TSX combo...that is one hell of a bullet...

for an increased in velocity, I'd bet if you tried H 4350, you might improve that velocity.. or whatever they call it in Oz, since it is made by ADI....

best regards
seafire

Holy COW!! just a little overbore

Sounds like she really shoots though. How many RDS do you anticipate the barrel to last for? I'm actually supprised you aren't getting more velocity out of it. At 52 g are you out of case capacity?

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Originally posted by britz:
Holy COW!! just a little overbore

Sounds like she really shoots though. How many RDS do you anticipate the barrel to last for? I'm actually supprised you aren't getting more velocity out of it. At 52 g are you out of case capacity?

Ah, just read it again, I guess a 90 g pill is still pretty heavy

Britz...

welcome to the forums.. ( I use to live close to your locale.. down in Wright County, MN.. St Michael)...

Blair isn't worried about Barrel life.. he shoots a 338/378 Weatherby...

He also drives a Lexus SUV....

Heck in Australia, Blair shells out more money for a couple of boxes of ammo for the Weatherby, or more money for an oil change for the Lexus, than it would cost you and I to build the rifle he posted.....

Blair is a good guy and a little crazy like any good Ozzie...


it isn't about barrel life, it is about high performance for a man like Blair....

he can have the fun since he is barring the cost.. and I get the joy of being able to read about it!!!

I don't know if I'd go the 22/06 Route.. but I have built a fast twist 22/250.. and was thinking about trying the same thing out on a necked down 6mm Remington, with a 31 inch bull barrel on a Mauser action....I already have that almost put together in 6mm Rem so far, the entire package weighs about 22 pounds.. and of course is meant for stationary, long range target and varmint shooting...

had to wait 4 months for the stock and then they still screwed up the order, so I am having to correct it myself.. and do some stock surgery on it....

but with the 31 inch straight barrel on the set up.. I wash out the throat, I'll just have to shorten up the barrel a couple of inches and rechamber.......

out of a 24 inch barrel the 6mm Rem with a fast twist and a load of 46 grains of RL 19 and a 115 grain Berger, gives me an MV of 3250 fps....

so it will be interesting to see what another 7 inches of barrel from the Mauser will end up giving for an MV...
I am also thinking about picking up some of those David Tubb 117 grain DTAC bullets and trying those for some long range wallop....

The only difference between men and boys, is the price of their toys.. ( and the operating cost of their toys... )

I was thinking of a 6-06 or a 6-338. Anyone tried either?
I think the 6-06 would be real close to the 240 weatherby. I'm wondering if the 6-338 would be too overbore. I looked at taking a 300 win down to a six, but it looked like a 338 or 7 mag would be a better case to work with. How much would you gain over a .264 mag?
RC

I've got a 6MM-06 barrel for my Thompson-Ceneter TCR-87 (their discontinued break-over single-shot). I had it made 29 inches long so it would be shorter than a bolt action with a 26-inch barrel. It has a slow twist and the best load is a 70-grain Nosler Balistic Tip with 61 grains of VihtaVuori N560 for a velocity of 3,930 fps. With a 300-yard zero the maximum rise at closer distances is about 2.5 inches and drop at 400 yards is less than 7 inches. According to my computer drop is supposed to be about 36 inches at 600 yards with the 300-yard zero but actual drop when I shot at 600 yards was only 24 inches. I thought this would be the ideal coyote rifle, but it seems there haven't been many coyotes to shoot at the past few years around here. However, I have shot quite a few deer (does) with it. It kills them but without a bullet exit hole with that 70-grain bullet. They generally run 50 yards or so and there is no blood trail. The slow twist barrel does not work with the heavier premium deer bullets.

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Blair is a good guy and a little crazy like any good Ozzie...


it isn't about barrel life, it is about high performance for a man like Blair....

John, thanks for the compliment and any Aussie worth his salt has to be a tad bonkers!

The primary purpose of the gun is for a baboon /springbok cull in Namibia this year. The S&B scope is a 4-16X50LR and those dots are very close to actual POI.

My email address is blaircalvin@unwired.com.au

6/06 or otherwise called the 243 super rockchucker has been around for many years. and yes its way overbored, and yes i do have 1

Hello Seafire. Can't beleive you would have left MN

I am a long range shooter wanabee, and I would be if I had a little more $$$

I almost pulled the trigger on customizing my old R 700 LA into a 6mm Rem AI. Got scared with all the fireforming and burning barrels so I setteled on a cheap Savage 12 22-250 because I wanted a good prairy dog rifle and I already had the dies. Funny thing though, I loaded my first 75 RDS only to find my runout was about .01 and I had to order a new redding comp seating die anyway LOL! So maybe I should have just built the 6AI --- oh well (sigh)
Maybe in a few years I can do that project, just not quite yet.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Robert_in_mt:
I was thinking of a 6-06 or a 6-338. Anyone tried either?
I think the 6-06 would be real close to the 240 weatherby. I'm wondering if the 6-338 would be too overbore. I looked at taking a 300 win down to a six, but it looked like a 338 or 7 mag would be a better case to work with. How much would you gain over a .264 mag?

Knowing a few who have built as such.. you won't gain much in velocity over the 06 case.. and will burn a lot more powder doing so, and the life of the throat will be about 2 lbs of powder...

Seafire and others;

Thanks for feedback, I don't want to highjack this thread though so will start new one.

Thanks RC

RC,

If you wanted to do something like the wildcat you mentioned, I'd use the 264 Win Mag case as a basis. The less you neck down the better your chances are for good accuracy, I've found.

quote:

Originally posted by britz:
Holy COW!! just a little overbore

Sounds like she really shoots though. How many RDS do you anticipate the barrel to last for? I'm actually supprised you aren't getting more velocity out of it. At 52 g are you out of case capacity?

Britz,

I think that load with the 70TSX would be faster with a slower powder than Re-22........

59grains of Re-25 gave me 3711fps with the 80 CC.That was about max..............backed the load off for peak accuracy.

Damn Boys! That's what I call a GOOD Show!

Seafire,

Have to get some decent dies made for the 22-06.(currently using C&H; undersized)

Having some made by Redding, but were recommended Neil Jones dies, by John S via Wby Power.

Do you know of this guy?

Blair,

I have to admit I don't know him..

I was on CH4D's web site this afternoon.. is that what you meant by C & H?

Spendy, but for something like that, I'd tend to recommend Redding or RCBS if you don't like the CH4D dies...

Most of my Dies are RCBS, followed by Lee and then Redding...I have tried Hornady and Forrester and I just didn't care for them...

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If you wanted to do something like the wildcat you mentioned, I'd use the 264 Win Mag case as a basis. The less you neck down the better your chances are for good accuracy, I've found.

I thought that most take a 7 mag case and neck it down to 264 mag, as 264 cases are harder to come by. I was thinking of just going one more step, 264 to 6mm, should be same step as 7mm to .264. You would end up with thick neck, but would've turned anyway.

I have scrapped this Idea anyway but thought bolt on 300 win would be able to fit to 7 mag / 264 mag fairly easy, as they are close to right size already? I was looking at this case as the 300 has such a short neck.

Thanks RC

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Originally posted by seafire2:
Blair,

I have to admit I don't know him..

I was on CH4D's web site this afternoon.. is that what you meant by C & H?

Spendy, but for something like that, I'd tend to recommend Redding or RCBS if you don't like the CH4D dies...

Most of my Dies are RCBS, followed by Lee and then Redding...I have tried Hornady and Forrester and I just didn't care for them...

Seafire,

Yep, same company.

The Neil Jones dies come highly recommended....so will give them a try as well as getting a set from Redding.

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Originally posted by Robert_in_mt:

quote:

If you wanted to do something like the wildcat you mentioned, I'd use the 264 Win Mag case as a basis. The less you neck down the better your chances are for good accuracy, I've found.

I thought that most take a 7 mag case and neck it down to 264 mag, as 264 cases are harder to come by. I was thinking of just going one more step, 264 to 6mm, should be same step as 7mm to .264. You would end up with thick neck, but would've turned anyway.

I have scrapped this Idea anyway but thought bolt on 300 win would be able to fit to 7 mag / 264 mag fairly easy, as they are close to right size already? I was looking at this case as the 300 has such a short neck.

Thanks RC

Rob,

I've always found that the less you neck down the better and or easier the accuracy results are. Less stress induced in the necks.

Are you necking down 25/06 brass then?

to 6mm and then to 22 caliber???

Hornady has a pretty slick new sizer die, that runs about $20.00 stateside.. It is meant for any cartridge within a caliber range and you adjust it for the cartridges length..

It just neck sizes the neck.. I use one in several calibers... it works pretty darn slick...( and I say this as I usually don't care for Hornady Dies...

John,

Running 25-06 cases through 6-06 die then through the 22-06 die.

The 22-06 dies are too small near the head, but despite that the rifle really shoots.

That Hornady die sounds handy. Thanks for the heads up mate.

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Originally posted by butchloc:
6/06 or otherwise called the 243 super rockchucker has been around for many years. and yes its way overbored, and yes i do have 1

actually the 243 super rockchucker has a 28 degree shoulderand the 6-06 has the standard 17 degree shoulder.

This is amazing as every time butchloc has a gun, I have one like it.....he must be my long lost twin brother.

I call mine a 22x64 because that is what the case length is. It is a necked down 270 case. I used a 22-250 reamer with the flutes ground longer and therefore I load with a 22-250 die set. If, after a number of loads I want to full length size, I use a 7x64 sizer die.
For culling, this is my favourite machine.
See the Zebra at the bottom of the page.
Another one.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by butchloc:
This is amazing as every time butchloc has a gun, I have one like it.....he must be my long lost twin brother.

Find out if he ever caught any big Walleye. roger

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Originally posted by Gerard:
I call mine a 22x64 because that is what the case length is. It is a necked down 270 case. I used a 22-250 reamer with the flutes ground longer and therefore I load with a 22-250 die set. If, after a number of loads I want to full length size, I use a 7x64 sizer die.
For culling, this is my favourite machine.
See the Zebra at the bottom of the page.
Another one.

Gerard,

I was wondering when you would come on.

I checked your website for data, when I was planning the rifle

I'm yet to try your bullets in the gun........

Regards,

Blair,
What's Redding charging for their custom dies? From a local importer I was asked almost AUD$370 for a 2 piece Redding 358STA set so I'm kind of interested what they'll ask if you go direct.

I have a Hornady custom 2 piece set on order at the moment and they'll be charging US$120 plus $35 freight. I'm sharing an order to cut freight down. Kind of interested to see what the Hornady custom dies are like. Wanted around US$3 (I think) for expander balls if necking up.
Cheers...
Con

Seafire, Jan issue American Rifleman has an article on the 22-6MMAI. Page 52.
Interesting read. Might give you some ideas.
BTW, thanks for all the great Blue Dot info.

---Mike

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Originally posted by Con:
Blair,
What's Redding charging for their custom dies? From a local importer I was asked almost AUD$370 for a 2 piece Redding 358STA set so I'm kind of interested what they'll ask if you go direct.

I have a Hornady custom 2 piece set on order at the moment and they'll be charging US$120 plus $35 freight. I'm sharing an order to cut freight down. Kind of interested to see what the Hornady custom dies are like. Wanted around US$3 (I think) for expander balls if necking up.
Cheers...
Con

Con,

$290US.........just send them 5 fired cases and wait 16 weeks

Searfire2:
How many guns have you worked up Blue Dot loads for?

I appreciate all the Blue Dot data I've gotten from you.

Do you have a Blue Dot load for the .257 Wby Magnum? Or is there too much case capacity for an effective Blue Dot load?

Red,

Blue Dot can work in the 257 Weatherby.. I have worked it up in a batch of chamberings, that is for sure... but I don't own or have access to every caliber under the sun...

Pm me and let me know what bullet weights you are interested in shooting in one... and I can set you up with some formulas and boundaries to work within...