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Anybody have one? What are the pros and cons. If you like another 6.5, which one do you think is best? Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | ||
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 It all depends what you want to use it for, Dave ; holes in paper at 100 yds, just great! Long range antelope? Not the best choice by far. The 6.5-06 or 6.5x.284 would be better choices for the later.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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To start, 6.5's are a fantastic bullet. From there, one might look at their end use just as Roger suggested. Look at what type of bullet you would start with and the velocity you want. From their, then start looking at each cartridge and the velocities you can reach. I run both a 260 Rem and two 6.5x47's. They provide, for me, what I'm looking for. One of my '47's is for sniper/tactical shooting and the other is a hunting rifle. I've found with the hunting rifles 26" barrel and Rel 17, I'm able to push the 140 gr velocity up to what other, larger capacity, cartridges are capable of doing. So for me, I don't feel the need to open my safe's door to another, larger, cartridge. Alan  | |||
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I bought an old sporterized Model 96 Mannlicher Carbine. It is 100% factory original. Every number matches. Even the stock, just shaped up a bit and a schnabel forend added. A barrel banded front sight and a receiver sight were also added. Caliber of course is 6.5x55. Took it to the range with some thrown together mid range Hornady manual loads and Hornady 140gr SP. Every group was under two inches and settled on one pushing the bullets at about 2400fps. I love the way it handles and feels, just something about it. That started the fire, so I have been researching 6.5's for over a year. I wanted a modern rifle in 6.5x55 or comparable cartridge, capable of realizing the full potential of the cartridge. Not a lot of new rifle choices out there, just had not found one to scracth the itch. Then a NIB Model 70 Classic FWT came up for sale in 6.5x55. It is now mine. I really wasn't stuck on the 6.5x55, But it is nice since I already have all the reloading overhead and inventory for the cartridge. Here is summary of my thoughts. 264 WM- Not a magnum overbore fan. The rifles are typically heavier and longer than I prefer. There are better cartridges for that style of rifle. Shorter barrel life. 6.5-284- specialized cartridge competition cartridge. Shorter barrel life 6.5-06- I already own a bunch of 270's, just not enough difference there. 6.5x55- Panache, history and nostalgia. Inevitably every new 6.5 cartridge gets compared to. Oh, and BTW it has worked fantastic for over 100 years. Lapua manufactures brass. 260 Rem- Americanized 6.5x55. Lapua manufactures brass. 6.5 Grendel- AR application 6.5 Creedmoor- Ruger/Hornady spin on 260 Remington. A savvy marketing move, given Remington's own marketing faux paus with the 260. See above on 260 Rem. which is basically a 6.5x55. Creates demand for new rifles and new reloading supplies. 6.5x47- Another specialized competition round. You have been enamored with a Ruger in 338 RCM, a Ruger chambered in a 6.5 Creedmoor would fit right in.  | |||
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I take exception with that!  Their are a few of us here on the AR that have purpose built -47's to hunt with. Alan | |||
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I stand corrected then.  From the Lapua website:
Doesn't it use a small rifle primer also? | |||
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I just read a good John Barsness article in the June 2011 issue of Handloader on the 6.5 Creedmore. He speaks very highly of it. | |||
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There is also an article on the 260 remington in the same issue. | |||
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Hahahahahaha! Take all the inexperienced posts for what they are on the Creedmoor! I have one built on a McMillan A-5. I'm about to have 2 as I'm having one built on a McMillan Remington Varmint for just that; hunting. It's an awesome round Up to 3000 with the 140's My accuracy has been 2775 to 2935. Unlike Roger, I wouldn't hesitate to hunt everything up to mule deer with it. I have competition buddies who've shot antelope at 800 with the Scenar. My friend with his new 6.5-284 wishes he went with the creedmoor. | |||
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Yes it does. Why? Are you going to bring up an unfounded rumor about poor ignition under cold temps?  My favorite time of year to shoot and develop loads is winter. For me that's Utah. Even in zero temps I've yet to experience an ignition problem.  Oh, and Rick. I hope to be popping either a spike or cow this Fall with mine and 140 Berger VLD's. Alan | |||
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Nor would I hesitate!!! I've used less powerfull 6.5s on Mule deer with great success. Now let's not have a pick on roger week. rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Not from me Alan | |||
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Not picking on you Roger! Just disagreeing You really don't need much velocity to kill an antelope. The Creedmoor will fit the bill as far as you can shoot and hit one. The Creedmoor is not just for 100 yard paper shooting either. It's a great cartridge that does both. With the huge amount of 6.5mm bullet choices in both target and hunting configurations you can't go wrong. I have a .264 WM and get about 400 to 500 more fps than I do with my Creedmoor but do so by burning about 40 more grains of powder. I have seen no advantage in all honesty with the .264 over the Creedmoor in accuracy. Just have to dial a few more MOA on the elevation knob for the Creedmoor. It's a pleasure to shoot with no recoil. I definitely see no advantage over the Creedmoor by the 6.5-284. My buddy is working loads for the 6.5-284 right now and getting about the same velocity as my Creedmoor. This last Saturday, a buddy and I went out to nail down some 1000 yard data. He shoots a Creedmoor as well. We shot on the 1000 yard F-Class range in unbelievable wind. 27.25 MOA up from the 100 yard -0- printed nicely at 1000. We then hung some steel out in the dirt at 419, 805 and 1045. We were shooting in full value 20 mph winds. The holdoff at 1045 was 2 full mils. At 419, it was almost a full mil. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by rcamuglia: [QUOTE]Originally posted by bartsche: I definitely see no advantage over the Creedmoor by the 6.5-284. My buddy is working loads for the 6.5-284 right now and getting about the same velocity as my Creedmoor./QUOTE]  And the magic is-----????  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Rick, With the 6.5CM what velocities are you hitting with what bullets? What barrel length? Alan | |||
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26" barrel Roger the magic is that you don't gain that much over the Creedmoor with the 6.5-284. Just like all cases with more capacity in caliber, diminishing returns. | |||
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No, just pointing out another difference. In fact I got to handle a 6.5x55, 6.5-284 & 6.5x47 Lapua at a local machinist's shop today. All nice rifles. I think the Creed, 260 & 6.5x55 are all pretty much ballistically identical in modern rifles loaded to similar pressures. Pick your preference and enjoy. | |||
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With the -47's small rifle primer's extra thick case head, pressures can not only be run higher but case life is still excellent. So, I run my 140 Berger VLD's at 2965 in that itty bitty little -47 case, 26" barrel too. I too topped out at 3000 fps. Alan | |||
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Wow, that is impressive. What kind of pressure do think you are running? | |||
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While I have no problems with the Creedmoor, consider the 260, my 6.5 x 55 and my 6.5 x 57 I have my 6.5 bore needs taken care of. The only thing I dislike about the round, is that the barrel lengths on all the rifles so chambered have LONG barrels to make the round exceed or equal the 260 Rem... The round works on its own merits..but the market has made it a competition between it and the 260.. | |||
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In the 60's for sure. Didn't see a hint of pressure, slightly harder bolt lift, until I hit 3022 fps. This is with Rel 17. Others topped out much earlier. Alan | |||
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The extra 150 fps of velocity worth cutting your barrel life in half by using RL-17? Not for me as I've been there and done that!
Not true from what I've seen by real life comparison with friends I shoot with. The Creedmoor and .260 are the same with the same length barrels. Creedmoor has a slight edge depending on components | |||
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I also have a 6.5x284 and don't see much advantage over the 6.5 creedmore. When my current barrel goes (that won't be long) I'm probably going to re-barrel to 6.5 creedmore. I'm getting 2950fps with my accuracy loaded sierra 140 mk./ imr 4831. velocity is like a new car, always losing value. BC is like diamonds, holding value forever. | |||
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SDH: How do you like your little 6.5X55 Swede? I have been thinking about that one too. I can just buy a Howa barreled action from Legacy Sports and throw it in a Boyd's laminated stock. Would be a nice project as well. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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So far I really like them, I have not had a lot of time to play. But I am seriously considering a rebarrel on my faux Sendero in 270 to a 6.5 to take advantage of the better ballistics of the 6.5 bullets. And to redo a shoddy gunsmithing job. I still think that you could do very well with a Creed in a Ruger. It would be a perfect match to your 338 RCM. | |||
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Rick, I'll let it be known to all if or when that happens. Alan | |||
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Standing by! My gunsmith checked my barrel at about 1500 rounds and was amazed at the wear. The RL powders are high energy. No free lunch though, that high energy gives more velocity and wastes your barrel His barrel went 4000 rounds with H-4350 I'm using H-4350 now as well. | |||
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Rick, Using H-4350 with the 130 Berger VLD in my heavy -47. Have around 1000-1100 rounds down the barrel. Throat wear @ 750 rds was about .080". Alan | |||
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That sounds like a lot. With the RL after 2500 my barrel pretty much was done. He said it looked as though it has 2" of throat. | |||
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rcamuglia, Your thoughts on the 260 Rem vs 6.5 CM? Thanks Warrior | |||
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You might do well to look into the 260 Imp.  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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Either one is great. The performance is pretty much identical. Velocity differences, which may be small, seem to be attributed to "fast" or "slow" barrels or what happens to be the most accurate load. I will say also that I have friends who shoot the 260 that are now building Creedmoors. There must be a reason  | |||
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RC, does the Creedmore have more ""useable"" powder capacity than the .260?  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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http://demigodllc.com/articles...7-6.5-creedmoor/?p=4 To eliminate all the opinion and warm feelings, this article pretty much tells the whole story.  The end result indicates that the Creedmore offers nothing more than the .260 already gives. rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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"***Put simply, the 6.5 Creedmoor is what the .260 Remington should have been.***" I concure with this and that's why I had built the 6.5 R-Bar that is also deep throated to handle heavy for caliber bullets while utilizing as much powder capacity as possible, facilitating an edge in longer range shooting at reasonable pressures. rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Can you post a pic of the cartridge? What's the OAL and where does the base of the bullet sit in the case? What is the capacity of the R-Bar? | |||
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 the useable capacity with most bullets it is comparable Or maybe greater than the short necked, shallow throated, short action .260.  Ill be testing the 156grain Norma's this coming week. rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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 Case capacity of Creedmoor and .260 = 53 grains Case capacity of .308 Win = 56 grains Which case is the R-Bar using? | |||
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Cases have been made from new .308 cases with their necks turned ( a must).and from win and RP .243 cases( No need to turn the .243 necks). By design the case length is 2.040" so trimming is not needed. using Butch's bushings and 6.5x47 Lapua dies wildcat dies did not have to be purchased. If you would like a copy of the reamer drawing send me your E-Mail address. rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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