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My understanding is 5.6x50R Mag reloading data used to be everywhere. But now....I am having a hard time finding it. Look in your books, look in your logs. Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, post all you got. BTW, Someone said I could use 22PPC data. If you have enough data to verify 5.6x50R to 22PPC let me know. CISSP, CISA, CRISC looking for a IT Security/Audit Manager spot | ||
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use 22mag data -it'ss th same round with a rim | |||
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222mag not 22mag | |||
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Here is Hornady data for the rimless version if it is of any help. I copied this out some years ago for someone also on AR looking for data.    | |||
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It is interesting that Hornady data is NOT the same 5.6X50 and 222Mag. It is probably close enough for me, but.... not the same. While we are on the subject, I don't see a cheap way to loading it without buying new dies. There is no way to use 222Rem or 223Rem dies? Am I missing anything? BTW, I have been told there is a 5.6x50 to 22hornet conversion out there. IF you see one, let me know. I may have to get one made myself. CISSP, CISA, CRISC looking for a IT Security/Audit Manager spot | |||
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According to cartridge dimensions in COTW the standard 222 Remington and the 5.6x50 have identical base diameter (.375"), shoulder diameter (.355") and shoulder angle (23 degrees) dimensions so a 5.6x50 case will be neck sized perfectly in a 222 FL die. The 222 Remington bullet seating die will work too. Obviously the 5.6x50 case being longer will require the FL die to be backed off a suitable distance from contact with the case holder in the press. With the shoulder and angle being the same it would be possible to size and push the shoulder back slightly if cases become tight to chamber as they are reloaded several times. This assumes that the case does not become tight at the base end which the 222 Remington die would not size. 222 Remington dies are common so easy enough to borrow/buy some and try all this out without the expense of buying new dies for the 5.6x50. | |||
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Eagle27 is absolutely right about using .222 dies -- or .223 or .222 magnum dies as well. Any of them backed off the proper distance so as to not set back the shoulder (or only set it back minimally as you would in full length sizing) will work just fine for both sizing and seating. Now, I don't know the rim diameter of the rimmed version so can't speak to what shellholder fits, but I suspect that you can find one which is close enough. I had a chance at a very nice custom 5.6x50 at an attractive price a number of years ago but was afraid that I'd never find brass for it. | |||
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You are right, I had it backwards in my brain. I have both 222Rem and 223. So I think I am good to go. CISSP, CISA, CRISC looking for a IT Security/Audit Manager spot | |||
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I bought 100 rounds loaded ammo (rimmed ammo) when I bought the gun. I don't think I will find brass in the USA, so..... I think I need to buy some more loaded ammo. When they stop making it.... The ammo may be worth more than the gun. CISSP, CISA, CRISC looking for a IT Security/Audit Manager spot | |||
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A buddy had one. He had RWS brass, it was quite thick so case capacity was a little less than expected. | |||
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Not brass, but both Graf's and Midway show Sellier & Bellot 5,6x50R ammo for sale, with the latter at a pretty good discount right now. My experience tells me S&B brass isn't as durable as some others, but any is better than none. I also have a copy of the German loading manual "Wiederladen" which has a fair amount of load data for 5,6x50R, largely with European powders of course. If that would help I can post pictures of the pages here. | |||
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If it is easy, sure. If not, I will just work with the 222Mag data. I have spent a lot of time online digging. I think I have everything I need. And I will not have access to EU powders so.... The good news is this isn't going to be a high use gun/cartridge for me. Break action is slow fire. I figure I can make a 100 rounds last a long time. The issue will be having enough brass to have the variety of ammo on hand at any point in time. i.e. Some FMJ for plinking. I will need to work on loads to mirror the expensive bullets. Some varmint ammo. I am thinking something explosive on ground hogs. Some then I need to work on larger game. Nosler bullets should be interesting. That is easily 300 pieces of brass. CISSP, CISA, CRISC looking for a IT Security/Audit Manager spot | |||
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ddunn In my opinion you are over-thinking. Get a 55 grain cup and core and it fills all the bills. Even on game you don't need heavy nor premium--a cup and core in the boiler room and the fun is over you need a sharp knife. | |||
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Having dug bullets out of deer which were shot at least the year before while butchering, I will disagree. A hit a little high or too far back and it is not a kill shot. I have also walked over hill and dale when I shot a deer, it went down and then got back up. In theory a good shot, but ...MIA. CISSP, CISA, CRISC looking for a IT Security/Audit Manager spot | |||
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Agreed bullet in wrong spot is not a kill shot. Are you implying a bigger better bullet would correct the bad shot? In theory a good shot? What theory the animal got away and you have no evidence to provide a theory other than it was a bad shot. | |||
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I am not here to prove my theory. Like many theories, there isn't a good way to "PROVE" it. I could dig out images and notes and .... I would be able to show correlation, but not causation. I like to have a gun which can do MORE than the average person. It may or may not live up to my expectations. Not being able to go out and play, I sit here trying to logic it out. CISSP, CISA, CRISC looking for a IT Security/Audit Manager spot | |||
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My son and his 11yo boy use a Ruger 223 to good effect on red and fallow deer with the grandson taking a couple of young tahr up in the open alpine region with the little Ruger. It has had the barrel chopped to 16" and a suppressor fitted so will be losing around 150fps in MV. Although I initially reloaded some ammo for him with 65gr Sierra SPBT bullets he now just uses Hornady 50 cartridge bulk pack ammo with the 55gr Interlock bullet. It is a wonderfully accurate little rifle and the 223 cartridge performs out of proportion to its size with standard cup and core bullets. Possibly the lower velocity from the 16" barrel helps with bullet integrity and penetration and although my son has a 7mm-08 for the bigger serious stuff he loves the little 223 Ruger as does his wife who also hunts and the young fella. | |||
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ddunn--I know my posts come across as a flame, but that really wasn't the intention. Like eagle 27 posted, my experiences have been similar. His post is from someone that has been there done that. Most of the time those that post premium bullet and heavy have done it on the keyboard only. For years I have been taking youth hunting using .222 and .223 and the results are far better than I would have GUESSED they would be before I saw it done. I have used bulk packed Remington and Winchester 55 grain bullets. These would work for all the applications you mentioned. Sight in for them and you are good to go, no sighting in for a different bullet needed. | |||
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I didn't read it as a flame. I AM overthinking it. I am at one location and the gun is at another. I have multiple guns and I am trying to find a place for this one in my mind. The only thing I can do right now is think about it. The gun is an older CZ combo gun. 12ga 2.75, full choke and 5.6x50R. The truth of the matter is, if someone told me they wanted to hunt deer with my 222Rem, 223Rem or the 5.6x50R, I would tell them NO. Most of the bullets I have tested in .224 fail miserably (fragments and lack of penetration, there are exceptions and some false marketing). I have no confidence at this point in .224 bullets and society in general. So I will test and then decide what works with this gun. Anyway, I have my information so when I am able to test, I will test. CISSP, CISA, CRISC looking for a IT Security/Audit Manager spot | |||
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ddunn--I fully understand, with no experience using .22 center fires on deer the reluctance. Years ago my grandson and I were setting next to each other in two tripod stands. A doe came in and my grandson wanted to shoot it. It was getting late in the day. We had my Remington 600 in .222. I did not wan to let him shoot it. I could see a tracking job, possibly in the dark. I finally agreed. The doe took off in a dead run and I was thinking bad decision. The doe made about a 100 yard death run and piled up dead. Years later, that deer travelled further than any other deer the numerous youth I have taken hunting have shot. Mostly in their tracks or within 15-20 yards. I had a Savage combo gun in .222 and 20 guage that I gave to my son in law. Had a 1-4x Leupold on it. But couldn't regulate it to where both rifle and shotgun were on. .222 right on shotgun would be low. | |||
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Some data from the German reloading manual "Wiederladen" 4th edition. Note that the max pressures listed (Gebrauchsgasdruck) are different for the 5,6x50R Mag (3400 bar), the 5,6x50 Mag (3800 bar) and the .222 Rem Mag (4050 bar). Note also that the Wiederladen data for the non-rimmed 5,6x50 Mag agrees closely with the Hornady data posted above - and the 5,6x50R data from Wiederladen are somewhat lower. And entered here just for tourist pressure info, the .222 Rem (3700 bar) and .223 Rem (4300 bar).    | |||
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Thank you CISSP, CISA, CRISC looking for a IT Security/Audit Manager spot | |||
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