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I was toying with getting a .223 barrel for my Blaser and was wandering if anyone had this set-up and if they were pleased with it's accuracy. I would be going from a 24" barrel on my current .223 to a 22" with the Blaser barrel. My intentions of obtaining this rifle was to do away with my other hunting rifles and have only one gun. I've eliminated 2 of them with 2 to go. I didn't think it was going to be this hard to do away with my Weatherby Super Predator Master. "Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars." | ||
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Blaser makes 2 different 223 barrels. A friend of mine has the "target" 223 bbl. It shoots one hole groups. I have the standard sporter 223 bbl for my R-93. It shoots several different factory and the one handload I have tried in it under one inch at 100 yards. I have shot it at 200 and 300 yards. Shooting prone off of my pack the 300 yard groups were all under the size of the palm of my hand. Even with the Winchester white box 55gr. ball "Q" load. I am very happy with this bbl. The rifle feeds with no problems. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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That is very encouraging to hear. Thanks. "Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars." | |||
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I have the heavy fluted (UIT) barrel in .222 Rem and it shoots into 1 hole indeed.  André DRSS --------- 3 shots do not make a group, they show a point of aim or impact. 5 shots are a group. | |||
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blaser R93 - is that a real rifle???? | |||
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Hope so because I just ordered my .223 barrel. "Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars." | |||
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quote: Would you like to stand in front of one and find out the hard way? | |||
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MHO in the European section has a 223 barrel for his R93 | |||
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quote: Yup, and a neat combination it is. Since I'm using it to train my "hunting position" shooting (as opposed to bench shooting), I have not bothered to use really accurate bullets, rather I loooked for decent accuracy with bulk packed bullets. Remington 55 grs PLHP give me 5 shot groups in the 5's. That is not too bad for a light weight barrel with bulk packed bullets. So the barrel seems to shoot well. The neat thing is that you can shoot (train with) your R93 with a cartridge that will save both your shoulder and your budget. Yet, feel, trigger pull and heft of the gun is exactly the same as when you bolt in your big game caliber barrel. I've never been a huge fan of the R93 trigger (I like my K77 or Jewells a lot better), but the trigger does make the rifle very shootable, and for a lightweight rifle, I get good results (for me) from a standing, (vertically) rested position at both 100 and 150 meters. Want to go somewhere and hunt big game with your R93, and have the option for varmints along the way?? Pop the .223 barrel in your case, and change calibers in about 3 minutes. Works a champ. .223 and R93 - great combination as far as I'm concerned. Look forward to your new barrel. - mike P.S. I should say, naturally there are other calibers that will give you the same advantages. In Europe, a .222 might be the more economical alternative. But in the States .223 ammo is hard to beat for price and availability. My .223 barrel shoots the Winchester White Box 45 gs (I think?) HP ammo really well - as do most of my .223 guns. ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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I have a .222 Barrel and a .223 Barrel in standard contour for my Blasers. They are so accurate with the 50 grs Sierra Blitz Kings it is unreal. My .223 which is now on my Dad's Attache' Lux shoots well even with 77 grs bullets thanks to the fast twist of the .223 barrel. I have never used the Target .223 but my "Jagdmatch" in 308 shoots very tiny groups at 100 yds. Aleko Hits count, misses don't | |||
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Interesting thread - I would like some advice I am looking at buying a Blaser R93 with a .223 barrel. And one of the issues is whether to go match or standard profile. I will initially largely be varminting rabbits prone off Harris bipod - generally in the middle or around the edge of large fields Currently I shoot Remington 700 VS .223 with Remington Accutip 50gr factory loads - which can take rabbits first shot out 480 paces (as far as I have shot). It also delivers decisive and instant if not necessarily clean kills. I am loath to lose the real accuracy in field settings this rig is giving, but would like the lighter weight, and ability to pack it away when travelling (especially when with my young family) 1. Will a blaser give the same long range ability in field setting? 2. Do I need to go to match barrel to get that level of accuracy? 3. Does the R93 tkae down and reassemble with enough accuracy to do that long range shooting without re zeroing? Melbourne Australia Varminting | |||
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Davy, I'm not going to pretend I can answer your questions for you. It is a pretty personal decision. I think the chances of getting a match barrel to shoot smaller groups than a standard barrel are very real. Question is whether you need the extra accuracy for your application - normally, 0.5" groups is fine for long range varminting, and that is definitely achievable with a standard R93 barrel. The heavy barrel will make the rifle easier to shoot - even off a rest or off a bipod. No doubt about it. On the other hand, the lighter standard barrel will be a lot easier to carry and more handy in a travel situation. Blaser lists a regular R93 at around 3kg and the heavy barrel version around 4.4kg. So, having managed to not advise you about anything, here is what I think you should do: buy a wooden R93 stock. Buy the regular .223 barrel - after all you'll still have your M700 as a heavy varmint rifle. The regular R93 barrel is a bit cheaper than the heavy version. If you find you like the R93 platform, and you still feel the need for a heavy R93 barrel - e.g. because the V700 weight was still an advantage, with a wooden stock, you can add a new forearm and a heavy barrel to your collection. - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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Mike Thanks - ah dilemas, I am having the local distributer price a system up with several options for me now. I take your point aboutht the interchangeable forearms of wood - but are pretty set on the Professional synthetic stock. If I buy the match version I can still put standard as well as match barrels on it. Even though heavier with a match barrel it appears to be better balanced for offhand shooting than the than the Remmington VS700 which is the key problem at the moment. I think also the synthetic stock will pull the weight down significantly. The real question you pose is - in the field, even for varminting, can one tell real change in accuracy from using a match barrel - either from extra length,weight or "better barel"? p.s. if looking for good accurate ammunition try the new Remington Accutip. I have been using the 50gr very succesfully in my remington VS 700- while the 45gr 50 per pack Winchester Hollow point was good close in - at 300m it was all over the place Melbourne Australia Varminting | |||
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Yes, I like the synthetic stocks myself. The Professional stock was introduced after I bought my latest Blaser stock, but I think that would also be my choice today. If you don't care about a slight gap between the barrel and the foreend, then you can certainly shoot a regular barrel from a stock fit for the match barrel. Merely cosmetic.
I doubt the "significantly". It really depends on what wood you are comparing to - dense or not. Still, if you tried the match rifle, and you liked it, that is what you should get. You can always get the regular barrel later.
Yes, that is a hard one, nobody will be able to answer that one for you. I think it sounds like you have your heart set on the Professional with a match barrel. Heck, that is a great combination. You can always get another barrel (and another, and another  ) later...- mike P.S. Don't forget the R93 is currently being made available with a brand new trigger. Ask your dealer about getting the new trigger - although it may cause a delay if they only have guns with the older trigger in Aussie-Land. I have just had one of my R93s returned to Blaser for installation of a new trigger. So I can't tell you whether it is better, but I expect it to have less overtravel than the trigger used until now (very shootable, but too much movement after releasing). The new trigger comes in two versions, one with trigger pull in the order of 1500-1600 grams (I know this is the trigger intended for Scandinavia and the US) and one with a 650 gram trigger pull (for Europe). I'm getting the 650 gram one - see if they'll get you that one. It would be a pity to buy the rifle and JUST miss the new trigger - even if it means delaying a bit... ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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Thanks MHO - I had not heard about the new trigger - Am I right as also interpreting it as one as an offhand style trigger - where you want a bit of weight to stop accidental discharge and the other as more of a benchrest or vamrinting trigger? I like my triggers set around 1000g or a little under to sort of cover both ways- can either of them be tuned to that? Actually I would prefer a set trigger sytem like my Sako finnfire varminter - but that is obvioulsy not an option Melbourne Australia Varminting | |||
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Davy I'd hate to comment on behalf of Blaser regarding why they introduced the new trigger and the characteristics of that new device. This is the reply I received from Blaser, which is probably pretty close to their official statement:
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Mike Thanks - Though I am a little surprised. From the text I assume that the 1.5 pound trigger is for field work (thoguh that seems much lighter than normally used or considered safe here) and the 3.5 pound for match varminting. Why would match/varminting want a heavier trigger? (Over here many ser thier triggers at only a few ounces) Melbourne Australia Varminting | |||
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As I understood it, although I have not actually seen a confirmation of this, the difference in trigger pull weights was one of either limits set by match rules or simply what the market deemed "normal" and "acceptable". If you want this confirmed (or otherwise), you'll have to ask Blaser. Europe has always seemed to shoot lighter triggers than the US, say. Much of that probably has to do with the (wretched) set triggers being as widespread as they are here. In the end, a particular trigger weight (interval) is something you get used to. As long as the trigger is clean (no creep, and offers stable pull weights), I feel you can get used to either a light or a heavier pull. Given sufficient training, it becomes second nature how much you have to "pre-load" the trigger, before the moment of truth arrives. I have got used to triggers below 2lbs, so that is where I try to stay with all of my rifles, not to have widely varying pulls to deal with. - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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Davyd For the conditions you have stated I would recommend the bull barreled R-93. It makes a great varminter on the synthetic stock you want. I have a friend who has one and it is a real shooter. My sporter 223 bbl shoots very good, but the heavier bbl will be a better choice for bipod varmint shooting. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Davyd, Yesterday I saw a target shot by a buddy of mine with his Blaser R 93 with the fluted bull barrel in 223. At 200 yards 5 shots were touching, making one small ragged hole. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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DavyD , I'm amazed that you still want a Blaser after what you would have seen on the long range hunting forum in answer to your posts . SigArms own Blaser , SHR and Schultz and Larsen . Have a look at their website . and check out the STR 970 and SHR 970 . If you really want a switch barrel there are options that don't misfire or fly to pieces . The hunting imperative was part of every man's soul; some denied or suppressed it, others diverted it into less blatantly violent avenues of expression, wielding clubs on the golf course or racquets on the court, substituting a little white ball for the prey of flesh and blood. Wilbur Smith | |||
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Thanks It sounds like the fluted bull barrell .223 should be more than fine in terms of accuracy, while also reducing weight and length in relation to my Remmington VS 700. (Which continuew to perform admirably to the detriment a fox and a few rabbits on the weekend) Bushchook - Thanks I'll have a look at the other forums and rifles you suggest. As for the flying to pieces bit it is not my major concern. 1)- The local distributor indicates the police report on That Incident has been released and circulated - showing that the the cause was a relaod which had accidently been overfilled with pistol powder - which would have caused a problemn in any rifle. (and some other European rifles are currently being recalled due to manufacturing problems causing catastrophic failures without the same excuse) I assume that the numerous threads on the incident are covering that particular issue (2) I expect only to be using high quality factory loads in smaller to medium calibres - so hope to be staying away from anything resembing those elephant gun calibres where the debate seems to be ocurring Melbourne Australia Varminting | |||
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I have finally got a price on the Blaser system and after much time and agonising (thanks buschook!) and will be putting the order in when I can actually get hold of the Australian Distributer (not an easy task!!). For a .223 match and 308 standard on a Professional stock with the new light trigger I am now trying to figure out the right scope for what will be a walk around varminter - hoepfully with the ability to hit the rabbit that looks at me from 20 feet away. The 308 would be for anything else I may look at in the fullness of time i.e goats pigs deer I'll set up a new thread - What High quality scope for a walkabout varminter/stalker? and would appreciate your input. I am leaning to the Leoupld Mk4 LRT 6.5-20 X50 m1 illuminated with the new TMR reticule. The TMR reticule looks very good and low intrusion for the capability it provides. The lightforce NXS equivalent sounds too heavy for a reasonalby light multipurpose riffle Bushchook thanks (other than for the angst and lack of sleep from surfing for information) I had a look at the Swiss arms till late last night and it looks good - but could not seem to find real refences to good accuracy as a varminter and it has a very low profile here in Ausatralia - as the distributer dosn't seem to get it a profle so I wonder about support. Though I like the features - take down, magazine and set trigger. Melbourne Australia Varminting | |||
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Davyd, G'day, you can find out about the swissarms and others at the same place you are enquiring about your Blaser, Mialls. They can get them in if you wish. Cheers, Dave. Cheers, Dave. Aut Inveniam Viam aut Faciam. | |||
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Sambar John Miall was saying that he has dropped being the distributer for them as they were not to the same quality as the Blaser - and hence he could not sell them back to back ??? I just got a really good email from a gunsmith and rifle maker in Europe who, while he does not like Blaser's, gave a really good and educated summary on the strengths and weaknesses. I'll see if I can get his permission to post most of it here Melbourne Australia Varminting | |||
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An update - after some time. I eventually bought the .223 match and .308 standard profiles. it has been very good and a number of rabbits and roos have succumbed to it. The only issue is that it was delivered with the new trigger at 3.5 pounds which for me is excessively heavy (I use a set trigger when practicing at the range most weeks) and I tend to jerk soem shots. As they apparently can not get the lighter version it is currently back at the agent having an old trigger put in so they can get the weight down under 2 pounds. it is very convenient for travel, getting into and out of vehicles etc. I mostly use it for varminting and it seems accurate when I am not jerking the trigger to make it fire! Melbourne Australia Varminting | |||
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