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T/C Encore Pro Hunter, I was thinking of stuffing as much of RL25 or imr7828 and using 110 grain accubonds or 120 swift a frames. Is 3300 obtainable with the 120's, anyone have experience with this. | ||
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Maybe with the .257 Weatherby but IMO it's not going to happen with a .25-06 and even a 30" barrel /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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While I am not saying 3300 fps with a 120 grainer is impossible, it certainly is not likely -- not at safe pressures. Keep in mind, too, that upper-end loads in a break-open like the Encore tend to allow the brass to flow quite freely (I HATE trimming, in case you can't tell). Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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BOmber-yes I do think with 7828 it is possible, maybe, when I was running a 26" tube 25/06 I could do 3200. Not sure you can quite get there but it will be close. R25 wasn't around back when I was doing this by the way. And in all honesty I really see no reason to try to get there but give it ago if you must. The more years I shoot and the more years I load the less and less reason I see to try for that extra 100 fps.... Just my way Dober | |||
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That's called maturing at the reload bench there Dober... when we realize that an extra 100 fps, doesn't kill the game any better, and doesn't change the point blank range enough to make a difference... but the dangerousness of the load increases due to potential pressure problems.. it is the time when the handloader, finally doesn't try to turn the cartridge he is reloading into the next bigger one on the scale... eg, turn a 25/06 into a 257 weatherby, or a 30/06 into a 300 Win Mag.. Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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59gr of RL-25 with 100gr TSX Barnes bullets works great in my 26" Sendero. Neck sized Win brass and Fed 215M primers. Fast and very accurate. Free men should not be subjected to permits, paperwork and taxation in order to carry any firearm. NRA Benefactor | |||
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Thanks dad for the lesson, gee, i didn't know that, this is a reloading forum where experiments happen and take place. that is the purpose, experimentation. if i needed a safety lesson i would have asked, but i wanted to know if it was attainable, not if it makes you uncomfortable. you broke the number 1 rule, "Assume Nothing", i never said i was trying to get to a 257 wby, which i own by the way, you don't know if i am the safest reloader or a shoveler. Advice is different than opinion. | |||
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Bomber wrote:
--- First of all, who made you the forum police and allowed you to govern what someone else posts? You asked a question and you got responses -- simple as that. If you can't handle the responses like an adult, then you are in the wrong place. So, by all means, go "experiment" to your heart's content. Just do veryone a favor and do not sit close to anyone when you're at the range. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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Well Bomber, My response was to Dober in particular.. not directed to you at all... no one was correcting you at all.. I was simply agreeing with Dober... But back to the subject of 3300 fps out of a 25/06 with a 110 grain bullet... yeah I could accomplish that.. my choices wouldn't be the powders that you picked.... But then directing attention to your question, have you wasted any time looking at a trajectory chart or a load chart to see what that extra 100 fps or so is going to gain for you??? The difference in energy is strictly academic.. and 2 clicks on the scope elevation, that will compensate for the difference in 3200 fps velocity and 3300 fps... So yeah, it can easily be done with a 28 inch barrel if you know what you are doing.. but since you don't need a lesson in safety, I guess you don't need a lesson on reloading potential either, since you evidently know it.. which makes me wonder why you asked the question in the first place... so with 36 posts to your credit here... we really look forward to having someone with your evident level of knowledge and expertist available to the rest of us...  I for one can't wait...  Because I just started handloading last week... since there was nothing on the TV that night...I went out in the garage and thought.. "oh what the hell".... ( Sheesh.. is this National 'Piss on Seafire Week'  here at AR and someone forget to tell me???)Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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seafire 2 wrote:
Oh, you didn't get that memo??? It originated somewhere on the east coast and had a big BLUE DOT dot on the top...  I hear I'm on the list for next week... Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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I must have missed that one... probably went out when I was over at the range trying to piss everyone over there off also...  Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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Hodgdon reloading manual #21 had a load of 64gr/H-870 with 120gr bullet at 3204fps 26" barrel also was a load of 58gr/N-205 with 120gr @3245fps with 24" barrel also Nolser reloading manual #1 had a load of 52gr/MRP at 3164fps with 117gr bullet. I'm not taking side but with maybe a 28" Broughton 5c or 5r barrel and the right combination 3200/3300fps might be possible with a 120gr bullet. If they had published loads 40yrs ago at 3200fps why couldn't we better it today? VFW | |||
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i didn't know that the number of posts dictated your intelligence, maybe i should just bump a few to the top to get up to moderator status. the question wasn't if i had looked at a chart, i am not worried about the extra 2 inches or clicks, i have a 7 rum, but not that it is any of your business i am trying to decide on a 24 inch barrel or 28. so enlighten me you, i asked for experiences with this barrel length, not whether i looked at a chart, or how many posts i have made. "Assume nothing" | |||
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Ya know Bomber... If those of us who have been here a while had a nickel for every guy with your attitude and chip on your shoulder, that has come and gone on this forum, we'd all be pretty well off financially... 99.9999% of them don't last long on here... because their attempt at witty sarcasm doesn't get them much respect.. as I said above.. I was responding to Dober anyway, not you... so why you feel a need to put in your snotty responsse is beyond me, unless you think you are something special..... We have seen a lot of special know-it-alls here... as I said, they normally don't last long... enjoy your soap boz while you think you are standing on one... Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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3300fps should be doable with that nosler 110. i'd advise w-w brass, ive not worked with rl-25 or imr 7828 in my 26 inch Shilen 25-06. that 120 a-frame is a great bullet but i think you will run short of your goal,as you know your brass will stretch with full power loads no punn intended..... ive had great luck pushing 100 sierra MKings with imr 4350...a good friend has 3...pro-hunter t/c barrels they shoot very well , 22-250 ,708,270 wcf. my guess is you''d be in the low 3100 fps range with that 120 a-frame looking at my imr7828 data...i have no rl-25 data... lets all Respect each other, regards | |||
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My closest experience to this is with the older Encore, 26" heavy barrel, 1:10 twist. Using 55.5gr RL22 under the 115gr Berger VLD, it gets 3175fps with no sign of too much pressure. Primers were Rem 9 1/2 and brass is necked-down .30-06 Winchester (T/C chambered this one .015 too deep). ************************ Our independence is dying. | |||
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Bomber, I maybe wrong but I do not think 3300 fps w/120's is doable with those powders, even with your 28" barrel. With my 24" barreled .25-06 using IMR4350 and 120's I'm get abit over 3100 fps and .5" groups. If I wanted to push 120gr .25 caliber bullet at 3300 fps I would get a .27 Weatherby. | |||
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Considering the platform (Encore) he wants to launch these from, 3300 with a 120 grain bullet is not what I'd consider a reasonable or realistic goal. He may get there, but case life will suffer drastically, and the pressures will be red-lined. TC barrels are not tight-spec'd items and thus don't generally reach peak velocity potential. From a custom barrel, he'd have a better shot of attaining that "goal" of 3300 fps with a 120 grainer, but even that would not be the most prudent thing to do. Of course, that's just my .02. I've been shooting Contenders since around 1980 and Encores since they were introduced. And I don't now feel, nor have I ever, the need to turbo-charge a load for an extra 100 or 150 fps. Heck, 2 of my best bucks were taken with a Contender using a 20" barrel in 7mm Bullberry. One was taken using a 130 grain bullet at 2505 fps MV. The other was taken with a 140 grain bullet that left the muzzle at a sedate 2480 fps. And both were one-shot, instant kills.   To boot, some of my 7mm Bullberry brass has seen app. 24 firings and is still going strong. Without going back to check my notes, I will wager that brass has not seen more than 3 trimming sessions, either. My favorite long range rig is a Contender fitted with a 26" MGM barrel in 6.5 Bullberry Imp. Throated for 140 grain bullets and with a 1:8 twist, that long barrel reaches 2600 fps with 39 grains of N160. I've made a number of 200+ yard kills using the Sierra 140 grain GameKing and have no qualms about its performance or effectiveness out to 350. This past January, I used a superbly-accurate fireforming load (Nosler 125 grain Partition) in the 6.5 BB IMP to take a nice buck at 220 yards. He simply folded on the spot. (I was using the Partition because I got them as seconds for 9.95 per 50, which equates to a lower price than standard cup & core projectiles.)     (225 yards/Sierra 140 GameKing/complete pass-through on the above sow) In the Encores, my latest toy is a 26" barrel in .308 WCF. I'm shooting the 150 grain Ballistic Tips at a shade over 2800 fps -- certainly not max but all I need for any deer out to 400 yards. (That same load in a 20" Savage 10FP-LE2 has accounted for dozens of hogs, and that MV: a "blistering" 2780 fps.) By the way, I mentioned the same load, and by that I mean same brass, powder, bullet, etc. The load generates 2780 from the 20" Savage and 2804 from the 26" TC factory Encore barrel, which is what I alluded to earlier in that the TC factory products generally never reach peak velocity potential. In a 20" MGM barrel, that same load clocks 2812 fps. Of course, no 2 barrels are alike, and I just mention this as a simple illustration to my earlier point. Take it with a grain of salt... Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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