Norseman,
He'll use a Nesikia if you want it. His actions look every bit as nice. If you have questions, e-mail him, jim@bordenrifles.com . It's in his profile above. http://www.bordenrifles.com . He took 2 hours to answer all our questions.

The answer to Jordans question, in short, is NO action is perfect, as it leaves the factory.

I am going to be selling a few rifles on the classified board to finance the rifle I want built. My friends gun will be done sometime in August. By the time I get the deposit together for mine, mine should be done in September. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

Once again you and the truth are far apart! I recieved that rifle in Aug. of 2000 and recieved the barrel in Dec. of 2000, now that's four months;" The barrel you are showing is one I sent you a year after you got the rifle" so Jim; are you lying or are you just misinformed? Either way it is what I'd expect from you after the way you lied to me about the rifle. Not only did you lie on three different occasions but you raped me on that barrel and you know it! When someone treats me the way you did I have no respect for them what so ever. You also know that the barrel was supposed to be done the same time as the rifle and if you'd done the job you promised me it would have been done the same time. The reason I didn't say anything about the screw up on that barrel to you is; that every dog has his day! Every time I take that rifle out, I make sure that as many people as possible see it and I tell them how you lied and screwed me! You just have to love word of mouth advertizing! If you don't like what your getting then don't lie and screw your customers as you did me. Since having you do that rifle I have had three other benchrest rifles built by very well known people and not one has lied or charged me more than once for the same job unlike you did. These rifles all have won matches and shoot as good if not better than any rifle on the line and I'll happily purchase more rifle from them. As for you I'd never have you build or work on any of my firearms. Once was enough for me! If you don't like having this type information put on a public form then you should not advertise or promote your wares on a public form! Because when you lie and screw your customers you should expect to recieve it back in spades. Don Gillard [imghttp://24.124.39.10/uploads/borden2.jpg[/img]

Don

I did not lie to you on any occassion.

If you were upset, you should have called and talked with me about it--you did not. This is the first that I have heard from you.

This thread certainly shows by yours words that you are trying to hurt me and my business and I am asking politely that the above post be removed.

Jim Borden

It's to bad Jim has to answer to charachter
assassintion.
Jim is an honest man of great charachter,

For what its worth,
I find it hard to believe that Mr Borden would let that rifle leave his shop, with the barrel engraving upside down. Infact, I have never seen one, factory or custom. And if it did, I am almost positive he would have fixed it ,eating the cost of the old barrel.

Being a contractor, I know what this situation is like.If I or one of my employies screw something up, I fix it at no cost. Most of my jobs come by word of mouth and repeat buisness. I try not to bite the hand that feeds me and my family.

As of now, I dont own a Borden rifle. For now I will stick with 1k and under rifles till the cubs leave the den. After that, then I will sell and save to buy a custom rifle.

For the original question, are borden rifles worth the money, witch do you drive, a 40k suv or a 10k sedan.

gsp

I have not read the thread that closely but I think this barrel was sent to the customer and Mr Borden did that because he had the customer's action dimensions.

There could have been a mix up occur and if it did then the fix is not exactly the biggest deal in the world.

Here is my guess. The customer has been unhappy with Mr Borden for other reasons and then there may have been a mix up with the barrel. The customer has spoken to another gunsmith and the rest of the story is easy to fill in.

Note to Mr Borden: This is a censorship free site and is quite different to HuntAmerica.

Mike

Gentlemen,

This is the first time I have ever seen anyone complain about work done by Jim Borden.

I have always heard great things being said about him, as a gentleman, and his work has always been exceptional, with a lot of repeat customers.

Jim,

Removing this thread is NOT going to solve the problem.

Also, there are a lot more posts saying good things about your work, against this one.

DSG,

May I suggest you give Jim a call and try to have this problem sorted out?
From what I have heard, he has always tried his best to keep his customers happy.

For what it is worth, I don't know Jim Borden. I do know the quality of his work. If I did not work on rifles myself, he is one of five or six gunsmiths in the country that I would have do work for me. I've seen absolutely nothing in this thread to make me change my mind. We all make mistakes. What makes the man is his willingness to fix the problem. It seems somewhat unfair to slam a man w/o giving him the chance to make it right first.

Gentlemen:

Mr. Gillard's post looks like a cheap shot to me.

Mr. Gillard can you document that you made Mr. Borden aware of the fact that the barrel he provided to you [without benefit of having your action on hand to fit it] did not fit perfectly [relative to the engraving]? If you did not give him an opportunity to correct the situation, then you have no business whatsoever going around bad-mouthing him. Your actions are despicable. You owe it to a man to give him an opportunity to correct a problem before you set out to ruin his reputation.

Jordan

gsp,
I could be wrong, but the lettering isn't exactly upside down- it looks like the barrel shoulder needed to be turned a few thousandths' more to get the barrel turned into the action enough to read properly but on the other side of the rifle, just above the stock line. If the action would have been available when the barrel was made up, this would have been an easy fix for a talented gunsmith such as Mr. Borden.
The engraving is a very nice touch that only a few very good smiths will take the time and effort to have done to complement their work.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I believe Mr. Gillard is being pretty petty about a minor issue which Mr. Borden has offered to repair. Seems pretty fair to me.

Sheister,

I used (upside down) for an example. I knew the engraving would be right if the barrel was turned 180 deg. Never the less the engraving is (upside down).

Dam, if I could find the degree symbol on the key board.

That is nice looking! I might have mist it, does any one know what finish is on that rifle

Mr. Bordens work and word is as good as it gets. This whole thing seems odd to me. I have heard nothing but great things about Jim and his work especially in the bench rest world. Its tough being on top someone always want to knock you down. I hope this thing does not keep you off the boards. your advise can help many of us and it would be a loss.

All I wanna say here:

Mr. Borden (SIR):

WELCOME TO THE PARTY, PAL!

And further - if I owned a Borden built rifle...I'd be one happy camper!

Well, I for one will testify to the honesty and character of Jim, Joan and the entire Borden staff. I had a problem with a couple of Borden/Rimrock stocks... problems that were inherited when Jim took over the Rimrock line. Jim took care of the problem and ate a fairly large outlay of $. As far as I am concerend he's a man of his word and a first-class gentleman.

Brad A.

I ordered my very own Borden gun on Saturday. The worst part now is the wait! I've got a 1000 yd 16.5 pound light gun in .300 Borden Caribou being built. There will be pics of the gun and pics of tiny little groups posted when I recieve it.

Hey Jim you don't want that post removed. What an opportunity to show what you can do. Remember the most loyal customers are not the ones who have had no problems it�s the ones who had problems that you fixed and impressed them in so doing. The truth always comes out.

What is a .300Borden Caribou? I could tell you but then I'd have to, oh never mind.

It's basicly a .300Weatherby Mag Improved. 35 degree shoulder. Kind of like a .308Baer. As to exact measurments, I don't know. I hate the Weatherby shoulder, but wanted more power than the .300Win I have now(which by the way is for sale on the Classified Board ). So when we were discussing what chambering to go with, I decided to go with his suggestion. I was leaning toward a .300WSM (too much like a .300Win Mag) or a .300RUM (garbage brass available).

Ah. ok... sounds like a 300 Borden Caribou is kind of a cross between a 300 Wby and a 300 Dakota: about the same capacity as the other two, conventional shoulder geometry, but still of the slightly longer, skinnier, belted Weatherby form. Sounds like a decent cartridge, but I'd prefer the 300 Dakota, I think.