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I thought I had 100 pieces of virgin brass, RWS, but NO. I have 200 pieces of 6.5 x 68 S brass. So, do I bite a bullet, get a 375 sized bottom metal set and a 26" barrel. Maybe I should sell the 6.5x68s brass, and then buy some 6.5x65mm RWS brass, THEN, use a standard action and mag box, put on a long barrel and dream of helicopter hunting in New Zealand.  | ||
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You are NOT allowed to hunt helicopters in New Zealand. You must be thinking of another country where hunting those beasties is legal. You may need something with a bit more bullet weight than the 6.5x68 can deliver. It may be good, but not that good (unless you get you close to the sitting ones that is).  | |||
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As always, it's all about bullet placement... "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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 Interesting title, "embarassment of velocity," is that something like a "stare of owls" or an "aerie of eagles?" My embarassment is a 6.5 x 66mm of sorts, now called the .264 Ripmoor, cartridge # 1003 at AmmoGuide. I need to add some loads there. http://ammoguide.com/?catid=1003 Ditto the .375 Twister, independently developed before I knew about the 9.5 Tornado (a 9.5 x 69mm) of Germany. I'll add some loads there too, velocities are less embarassing with that one. "Easy Link" to this cartridge (copy and paste into emails, forums, etc.): .375 Twister (.375-338 LM) - http://ammoguide.com/?catid=1005 THE FEW THE PROUD THE 395 FAMILY Rip | |||
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More like a murder of crows, or a sounder of hogs. Well, the 6.5x68 is less insane than the 6.5x300 Weatherby. Necking a 270 Weatherby down to 6.5mm makes a lot more sense. The 6.5 Ripmoor is a nice revival of the 6.5 Newton. Nothing new under the sun, Maybe I should make an AI version of the 6.5 x 68 S | |||
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6.5's build pressure very quickly and not predictably. Sometimes less is more. t | |||
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You are correct, of course. The plain version of the 6.5x68 S has a long record of safety as is. I have copies of two separate books called Wiederladen. I will follow their guidelines, increase pressure slowly, and respect their maximum charges. I noticed that there was not a lot of velocity gained when the the powder was increased noticeably. With modern bullets, these various 6.5 numbers should be quite effective. | |||
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I know the original 6.5x68 Schuler rifles had to loose a twist, and top out at 127-grain pill. I am proposing a 1:8" twist rate, so I can go up to 140 grain bullets for hauling the air mail a longer distance. With a Mauser action, a short belte magnum action needs to be opened in the back to 3.440" from 3.340". I also have the option of a Remington long action with Varmint/Sendero profiles. A 4-12x40mm VZ2i scope with adjustable parallax would work just fine. | |||
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Just on a point of order:  The use of "S" in the 6.5x68 is "wrong" The use of the "S" in 8x68S designates the S caliber bullet and not S for Schuler. Though first seen in Schuler rifles and Krieghoff rifles the cartridge is now widely accepted as no a Schuler design. Now as to August Gottlieb Schuler: He died in 1906 and the company August Schuler was passed on to his sons in 1880. FRIEDRICH AUGUST (1854-1943) and PAULUS OSKAR (1855-1926). Schulers cartridges were all DWM made whilst this combo 8x68S and 6.5x68 ( note no S in the latter ) are RWS factory designs The most widely accepted theory is that the designer was Lampel-Feurth ballistics engineer at RWS and the original offering 1938/39 for the 8mm and a year later for the 6.5. | |||
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If you are going to hunt helicopters with a small bore, aim for the gearbox at the base of the rotor and use a solid bullet.  I'm just old fashioned, I was just looking at a 264 Mag that popped up on the local market here. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Thank you for keeping me on the straight and narrow, ALF. It is good to hear the backstory on these wonderful cartridges that beat similar US offerings to market by twenty to eighty years. | |||
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An advantage the 68 has over the 65 is that the reamers generally have a very long throat....you can seat long 140's whereas the 65's I've had experience with are better with 100-125gr weights, as they are short throated. | |||
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Thanks for that information, Blair. I will consider having the 6.5x65 RWS optimized for 125-130 grain bullets, and the 6.5x68 optimized for 140 grain bullets. The 6.5x65 RWS will make an awesome mountain rifle. The 6.5x68 will be an ultimate long range "open spaces" cartridge. One nice thing about the US, is that we can specify whatever throat we want with a given cartridge. One thing is for sure; these are both wonderful cartridges (with the correct twist rate). Thanks again, John Charlie | |||
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John, My experience is only based on standard reamers imported into Australia. Customising them, would remedy those inherent problems. Regards, Blair. | |||
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I have an appointment with our ATFE (Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Enemas) to see about importing some brass from Germany. I will see what the deal is for exporting reamers to Oz. It sounds like their is an unmet need for import/export of small items in the shooting sports. It would be good for me to send any reamers that are no longer worth $100.00 to me down one of your gunsmith's way. In any case, I will see what the ATFE agent has to say. They likely hate this paperwork even more than I do... | |||
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I am swimming in brass now. I believe next year will be for 8x68 S, and 6,5x68, the year after 7x57 or 275 Rigby HV and 6.5x65 (mountain configuration). Beyond that, I have no idea... | |||
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