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Well as luck would have it we've had some GREAT weather here in Alberta these last few days, so I asked the 9 year old if he'd like to go to the range today instead of school, guess what? I had some BD data for 223 so i loaded 10 rounds in 12,13,&14 gr, with a VMax 40 gr bullet. I was only shooting at 50 meters so my son could continue to shoot at the 25M targets right beside me. My rifle is a Sako Vixen in 223. The 12 gr gave me my best group 13 not bad and 14 still minute of dead vermin but did open up some what. Was fun to try out a new safe shooting combo. My boy had a blast shooting the 10/22 deluxe his Gampa gave him, this gun is in mint condition, around 25years old. He even shot some targets with iron sights on the new CZ lux, boy just loves working a bolt. FS | ||
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Hey FS, You might be interested in this thread where 338vt nearly had a Ka-Boom with Blue Dot Loads. Also notice Ben Amonette logged on to recommend against using it in Down Loads. The problem is you may have hundreds of shots work fine and then have a problem. I can imagine how bad you would feel if you Blew-Up your own son. There are a lot of Factory Tested Down Loads to use that have less of a chance for a problem. Best of luck to you and your son. | |||
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Problems with Blue Dot seem to be limited to sub-calibers, and possibly to people seeking maximum potential velocities. I've used Blue Dot in a large number of .223 and .22 Hornet loads (always on the conservative side) and have had nothing but excellent performance. As with any low-volume powder which is relatively quick-burning in relation to the case size, you can expect pressure excursions as you approach "full pressure" levels. Be satisfied with velocities in the 80% of full throttle range and you'll be happy and safe with Blue Dot loads. | |||
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I see you live in "Edmon-chuk"...do you shoot at Sherwood Park Range, or where? | |||
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HOt Core, do we have to bring this up again? since that time we have had no one reporting explosions or death, doom and destruction. using blue dot.. no one has pm'ed me off line about it either... has anyone PM'ed you about someone getting killed with it? I have been working a lot with SR 4759 since this last pissing contest, just because there is more data available from the factory using the same goals and motivations... so what this gave me is TWO sources of powders to work with alot on a wide variety of calibers... Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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Apparently - yes. Too bad though. I'd have thought the word would be out by now, but it seems FS either didn't hear about the potential of Seafire Blue Dot Ka-Booms, or doesn't care if the Seafire Blue Dot Loads hurt his son. I'll guess he cares more about his boy than exposing him to "potential" harm. It is quite apparent Seafire's concern for other Reloaders is - less than mine. I could not care less about Seafire's "glory" of being the Blue Dot Guru. People will be hurt by his ego, it is just a matter of time as he keeps spreading the Un-Safe Blue Dot Loads with the zeal of a Revival Preacher. Apparently Seafire does not have the mental capacity to learn from 338vt's near Ka-Boom. Then the next thing I knew, Seafire began telling folks they could "almost" reach normal Cartridge Velocities with Blue Dot, in Cartridges that require very Slow Powders in order to have Sane and Safe Pressures, it was an eye opening experience for me. Seafire had me fooled before that into thinking he actually knew something about Reloading. However, his inability to understand the most basic Powder/Pressure relationships is Pitiful and Pathetic! So yes, here we go again straightening out another of Seafire's potential Ka-Booms in other folks firearms. I'll not be PMing folks about it, because the word needs to spread. A person may shoot hundreds of the Seafire Blue Dot potential Ka-Boom Loads and never have a problem. That is what makes this especially bad. Then without warning, the person could experience what 338vt went through, or much worse. That is the reality of the situation, whether Seafire, or anyone else, likes it or not. | |||
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There was a time when many reputable gunsmiths refused to chamber the (then) wildcat .25-06 because of its reputation for blowing up actions. Eventually, the cause, Secondary Explosion Effect, or S.E.E., related to too-light charges of surplus 4831, was discovered. During this time, some people concluded that somehow the size or shape of the .25-06 case was to blame; others concluded that 4831 was a dangerous powder. Neither conclusion was accurate. The conclusion that using Blue Dot in centerfire rifles is dangerous because of a single report on an internet chat site of a problem, particularly when the variables which may have caused or contributed to the problem are numerous and unknown, is an unwarranted conclusion. When you utilize Blue Dot in centerfire rifles you proceed at your own risk. Guess what? You equally proceed at your own risk when you use any powder in any load, or shoot factory ammunition for that matter. So far as I can ascertain, Seafire derives no tangible benefit from sharing his experiences with us. I appreciate his information, and if I rely in some way on his information, then I PROCEED AT MY OWN RISK, just as I would if I relied on the Hornady, Hodgdon, or Speer handbooks; companies which DO derive tangible benefit from providing me with information and influencing me to utilize it. | |||
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Well hot Core i read that whole thread as you have suggested. I did not see where anyone besides you self and MD thought that it was the powder to blame for this incident? I am only planning on using it in 223 and 12gr gave me my best group, so likely that is the load I will continue to use. I may switch over to a small pistol primer if it is something that Seafire recommends? My son was only shooting rimfire rifles. Thanks for your input in regard to my safety, and the dangers involved in using this some what suspect loading data. Regards Greg | |||
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Actually Seafire is quite intellegent and does not preach to anyone at any time. People ask he anwsers he tells them to work up,all firearms are different so on and so forth. It is quite obivous this whole thing rubs you wrong, wrong enough for you to get close to the line of a bit too personal. Perhaps you could start a webpage debunking or providing data for reduced loads, understanding pressures and the many other varibles in shooting and reloading. | |||
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Worked up to this load in 2 tikka .223's for friends with 40 grain Btips works quite well and takes gophers out to about 250 yards with few problems. Were do you shoot at in E Chuck? | |||
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Hey FS, The very best of luck to you and your son. ----- Yeah Hipster, just what I needed - another sermon!  The main reason I bother posting is to keep people from hurting themselves or others. If it is too personal for ANYONE - tough!! For anyone who doesn't want to see the Warnings, just skip right on past my posts. I find it amazing some folks can not learn from others(338vt's) first-hand experience, or direct input from the Powder Manufacturer(Ben). | |||
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For the ones who need factory recomendations for their reduced loads go for Vihtavuhori N110. | |||
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my two cents worth.....I'm neither pro or con on the Blue Dot loads.....I made it a point years ago that if the manufacturer didn't recommend the use of the powder then I didn't use it..... /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I have used them quite a lot with different calibers and excellent results. Even though I feel safe I'll use up the remaining shells and go for Vihta N110, just in case. It is cheaper here, anyway and experimenting with Blue Dot, SR4759, H110 and N110 I found them quite similar in their characteristics. | |||
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I am indeed sorry you took it as a sermon. I think most of us are pretty glad that you have such consern for your fellow shooters(I am) but you pounded on Seafire pretty hard in this thread and even though you may not agree with him or what he does you could perhaps phrase things a little differently. I have no doubt you have been loading ammo probably longer than I have been alive but that is also not the point either. No matter what information is posted, parlayed or given there will always be someone somewhere who will screw things up for many, many various reasons or causes chalk it up to human nature or Darwinisim if you prefer. No amount of warning and so on can prevent this such is life. | |||
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Hey Hipster, Totally agree. I see FS is making jokes about it in the "take-off Barrel" thread.  I really hope he does not have to see the Coroner shovel up his son because of his inability to understand Erratic Pressure created by an inappropriate Powder. That is my main Point. I do get a bit wound-up when it is apparent that Seafire is still handing out misleading, inappropriate and potentially dangerous information. Especially when there are all kinds of Factory Tested, non-erratic Loads available in the Manuals. I admit to being "more careful" today because of what I've learned along the way. But, I can learn from other people's first-hand experiences, as have some of the other posters and many who are remaining silent. Their non-caring attitude toward fellow Shooters and Hunters bewilders me. It is indeed nice to see a few understand, or even if the ones that don't, who accept the Warnings and choose to be more cautious. You can lead a horse to water.... | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hot Core: Hey Hipster, But, I can learn from other people's first-hand experiences, as have some of the other posters and many who are remaining silent. Their non-caring attitude toward fellow Shooters and Hunters bewilders me. QUOTE]  It seems that you are carrying the banner rather well. Sea Fire knows my feelings about the use of Blue Dot, the possible dangers it presents and the safety measures that should be followed when using it.  My feelings may be concurrent with yours but I don't see waging war on this thread is going to have much gain. Face it; you can tell them and show them but it just isn't going to sink in to many.  You chose your battle fields and I'll chose mine. Success in your endeavor.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Well I guess there are people that just have to embrace some crusade or something to give their life the substance it is otherwise missing for them... So when you are out on your soap box, spreading the words of Demon Blue Dot rifle loads, and calling the Blasphamy that the name Seafire means.. don't forget to bring your Bible to thump on every so often to give your words meaning... personally there HC, I am happy that your life is getting along well enough, that BD and I give you something to fulfill your time with, and you have nothing else to be worried about in your day to day existence..... I guess you haven't gotten to "the world is ending" on your To Do Calendar yet.. Jeesh.... I'll be dollars to donuts there isn't a powder in existence that someone has not blown up a firearm with... so if I retract all of my Blue Dot stuff and maintain it was invented by Satan to kill people with by blowing up rifles.... what is the next powder on your "demon rum" list? we all want to avoid using that one too... if fact, so we are all safe and use only HOT Core Approved powders, why don't you take the time and energy and publish us a list... I sincerely know that there is not a member on the entire forum that does not want to make sure every round they load in life, does not carry the Hot Core Seal of Approval... our lives depend on it..  Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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For informational sake here... ya know, Fasteel asked me about these loads, I think over a year ago... now he posted results he had going out shooting with his son... I didn't bring this up.. some one who asked about it a year ago did, and evidently like the results also and so posted it and shared it with the rest of the group... Our Fellow Forum member from No Carolina, decided he needed to get on his soap box, and use this as an opportunity to give us a sermon... while he points out that he didn't want a sermon from someone else... so evidently giving sermons is strictly his right, no one elses.. he also wants to personally slander me, in a tone that I just added another "convert" this week to "demon Blue Dot" like I am making it my mission in life to go out and recruit as many users as I can... well it isn't so.. I just reflect my experiences that I think others will find enjoyable... however it is evident and admitted by Hot Core that his mission is to go out and slam both the use of that one powder, and to slam the person that brought it to many folks attention.... Hot Core is also leaving out that when I first brought these discoveries to the forum, he jumped on it with praises from one end of the planet to the other... he also has never brought forth any failures or catastrophies that he has personally experienced.. yeet in postal archives I am sure you will find postings that he has used it and at the time really enjoyed its use.....for the reasons I shared and verified them... some where along the lines tho, he picked this as a cause to fly his flag over... I have watched him get into arguments with many folks on here, to include a former NASA engineer who has also used Blue Dot in rifle loads for years, and supported my findings.. So if Hot Core can come across and point out that a NASA engineer knows less than Hot Core, well who can argue with that line of reasoning.. I have no desire to argue with him on anyone, (except on the political forum)... but HC hasn't brought forth long lists of folks who have had disasters using this powder.. yet the number of people who have tred it and used it, speaks for itself, in the archives of this web site... So Hot Core.. good luck with your crusade... I for one, am tired of being pissed on, when my only guilty charge has been sharing experiences that I saw as positive, with fellow forum members...and it was their choice to embrace or reject... Vapodog gives his reasoning the best, and does so with dignity... Piss on me once.. shame on you.. piss on me twice, shame on me.. and you've pissed on me personally, a lot more than twice... and I don't care what your reasons were for... they may be real in your mind, but you don't have a lot of followers.. so if you want to embrace a chicken little syndrome about reloading any powder, then you need to give up reloading.. and go be self righteous on some other subject... personally I am tired of listening to your wind blow... Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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 Can we please hear an" AMEN!" for Brother Hot Core!  Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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It is only slander when it is not true. As long as I continue to see otherwise sane folks getting fooled, you can bet I'll post a similar if not stronger message. That is 100% true. I was a complete supporter and encouraged the Blue Dot Load Manual be published. Then I began to notice "occasional" Erratic Pressure. Not enough to mention it. Figured it was simply an old Case that should have been trashed, justified it as something else. I never had any rifle jam with it as 338vt had happen, I never had a Blue Dot Down Load Ka-Boom and I never will now. I still can't swear that what I saw was caused by Blue Dot. I believe the next step in the events was when Seafire began handing out Blue Dot Loads for 17cal Cartridges he had never tried it in. Just "shot from the hip" on Loads where he had ZERO first hand experience. Found that quite strange and pressed the issue. Got strange nonsense for answers. That was when Seafire opened the Blue Dot Ka-Boom Thread. And imagine the surprise when 338vt mentioned he had nearly had a Ka-Boom. Then Ben Amonette(who works for Alliant Powders), signed in and said Blue Dot should not be used in Down Loads, or any Load not having been properly Tested and shown in the Manuals. If Alliant considered it "SAFE" to use, obviously they would want people using more of their Powder, and publish Factory Tested Blue Dot Down Loads. Is that simple reasoning beyond anyones mental capacity? Apparently so - pitiful. Next up was the Seafire "Blue Dot Universal ALL ENCOMPASSING" line of total and complete ignorance. Not slander, simply ignorant about Internal Ballistics and Pressure. Just the way it is. Is there "anyone else" out there that believes you can get within 200fps of a 300WinMags normal MAX Velocity - SAFELY - using Blue Dot? That tells me all I need to know about Seafire's Internal Ballistic knowledge.This is what makes Blue Dot Loads so dangerous. A person may fire hundreds of shots prior to ever seeing the Erratic Pressure Indicators. And then, one day it will happen - just as it did to 338vt or worse. Whyyyy thank you - it will continue. I agree you are totally unable to comprehend, or have the least bit of understanding about the potential problem. It is amazing so many will take a chance of hurting themselves, or others, when Factory Tested Down-Loads are available and shown in the Manuals. Hopefully I can influence them to drop the Blue Dot Reduced Loads. If not, I sincerely hope they do not get hurt by Seafire's inability to comprehend the problem. I could not care less about either of your concerns. I'm not here to win a personality contest. Just interested in Warning people they have Loads in their rifles that have the potential to blow them up. And since that is a problem for Seafire - tough!! | |||
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Interesting verbal battle and entertaining! | |||
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Let me check my care about what you think at this point.... Ummmm most not be working...can't seem to get a reading but zero.. HC, you can piss in the wind all ya want... To quote you..." I'm not here to win a personality contest",, well Mission Accomplished... I've seen you try and do arguments with a zilion folks on here, and most about nothing except you telling us all how their views conflict with your theories... there is a lot of folks on this forum and I don't have to be concerned with some guy in the peanut gallery across the country.. oh, and please show me where Mr Ammonette signed onto the forum here.. I can't find it.. I see folks quoting what he emailed them, and included what he emailed me.. but you seem to ignore that email or called it bogus... I don't have the time nor the patience to deal with some self centered self righteous know it all... many of us have shot thousands of rounds of this stuff without problems... on your side, we have your theories and you waiting like a vulture to have one incident that remotely could be blamed on the powder, instead of potential operator error... still tell us this, name one powder that has never ever had a potential of wreaking an action... I don't spend my time on this forum promoting blue dot powder.. I respond to people who ask about it, which is usually in emails or private mesages off line..... I can sling insults back at you also until the cows come home.. but why bore everyone else with that crap... and yeah, I have tested Blue Dot now in a 17 Fireball, and ya know what.. the info I gave out and told folks to work up.. well I tried it on my own and it was spot on... of course I'd post it.. but you'd bitch about that if I did... and you'll bitch about me not posting if I don't.. just because it denied you something more to bitch about... So you can take your 'Chicken Little' Act on the Road... I am sure folks will give its due attention with the doomsday attitude and soap box sermons.... I use 30 plus other powders for all my reloading.. in a variety of different cartridges.. I'd put you on ignore, if it wasn't so entertaining to sit back and watch you try to convince someone of your side of it all.... But you know.. you come on.. you accuse Fasteel of putting his son in harms way... accuse him of knowing it and not caring.. accuse me of some diabolical plan to see as many people hurt as possible.... all because you have these theories, and you haven't seen much support... but you know it is out there... ya know, in grade school, I bet you were the kid that made it his business to tattletail on every other kid in the class room, just because you had envisions it was going to make you the teacher's pet.... Well Fire AWAY Einstein...we will all be waiting with great anticipation of what words of wisdom you have to share with us next... Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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Well enjoy its brief life span... I learned to not argue with windbags who know it all... they know about 5% of what they claim... what they don't know is the lack on limits on how pompous they can be.... This clown is on the offense, and arguing about something he claims to have knowledge on.. but after telling a NASA Engineer, (who supported me) that he knows more than the NASA engineer... well that should have let most folks draw their own conclusions right there... sit back.. get a bag of popcorn.. and watch Hot Core make a pompous windbag out of himself once again... this isn't his first time on his soap box over something, slamming someone, and evidently it won't be his last... I really hope he doesn't burden himself thinking I really care what he thinks at this point.... He's the floor show here, not me...  so sit back and enjoy it...  Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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Worked up loads for 2 friends with 223's and they shot gophers all summer and have shot a few yotes when it has warmed up above -30 in the wind chill. They both shoot pretty close to 100 rounds each on a gopher shoot and they shoot pretty much every weekend from the time the little buggers are up untill they hard to find. I have used BD in various cartridges now with no problems. My personal choice though. Funny any problems I have had so far have been with reccomended powders for the cartridge bullet combo in question. Will I have a problem with BD? who knows but it is me screwing the pooch if I do. But ain't freedom of choice a great thing? | |||
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Likewise, it is you screwing the pooch (assuming the risk) for using any load with any powder published anywhere. To my knowledge, no one has ever recovered one dime of damages for bad results due to reliance on either publish or unpublished loading data. YOU ALWAYS PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK. I've always found it comical that many (perhaps most) reloaders will glean through volumes reloading data in order to find just one published source which recommends a heavier charge than others. They seem to think that because someone published it, that it is okay to use in their gun. Having been writen down, whether by Seafire or by Sierra, makes a load no more or less appropriate for your individual gun. There is not a lot of data, and no laboratory testing to my knowledge, on the use of Blue Dot in centerfire cartridges. But Seafire's (and a few others') judicious experimentation has revealed that it has some useful applications. Having experimented a little with reduced loads (and being a chronograph owner since 1971), I can say that I have never seen a powder which provides such consistent velocities and accuracy with reduced loads as Blue Dot. I have only used it in .22 centerfires, thus can make no recommendations of it otherwise. But I can also see from this exchange that there is no reliable evidence to indicate that it is any more apt to exhibit a dangerous pressure excursion than any other powder, and much less apt than many. If you're not confident in what you are doing, then shoot factory loads (and hope for the best, as I've fired some WSMs that will lock the bolt every time.) | |||
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Did you make that claim, SeaFire?!!!! | |||
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This is in the Link I provided: Maybe someone should ask the maker of Blue Dot if it's ok. We have never tested or recommended using Blue Dot for reloading rifle cartridges. We have heard of the practice and have received calls from reloaders looking for data. Our response has consistently been that we do not recommend Blue Dot be used in rifle applications due to us not having and test data to verify that it is safe. Blue Dot is a fast burning powder for rifle cartridges and pressure spikes can easily occur because of this. Thanks for your interest in contacting us and let me know if you have any additional questions. Ben Amonette Consumer Service Manager Alliant Powder Company | |||
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One thing no one has been able to explain so far is why low density loads of BD in handguns are safe and recommended by the manufacturers whereas an similar or even higher load densities in rifle cases lead to desaster. Want an example? 12 grain Blue Dot are recommended for that huuuge .45 LC but are said being dangerous in a .223 case. Someone has an explanation? | |||
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Hey DaMan, I made a mistake, it was for a30-06 with Loads WAYYYYY to hot for Blue Dot usage. For those of you who have a 30-06 or access to a Manual, you can look at the Velocities and see the problem. | |||
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While this post is a good one and an accurate one it misses a bit as follows..... True.....there are no guarantees of success but there are guarantees of failure.....using Bullseye in a 257 weatherby is such an example assuming it's filling the case!!! for all the other things we take the least risk.....no different than driving a car.....if one wants to drive at 120 MPH the risk goes up etc When one confines himself to manufacturer's published data the risk is much lower....guaranteed safe?...of course not.....one can have a devastating wreck at 35 MPH!!! One must always be cautious about loads published by private reloaders on the internet.....and this definitely includes myself as I have no labratory equipment to confirm the pressures I'm loading to....and I try to say this when I publish a load I'm using..... But one can drive on the low risk highway by simply following the long established guidelines of reloading.....load powders that mostly fill the case and are recommended by the manufacturer. The practice of working up in modern strong bolt rifles is quite well known....it's been done a very long time and by large numbers of reloaders.....but the practice of working down is a total unknown for (at least) me......and there is reason to be cautious when one is treading in unknown country. It's simply a matter of risk and the least risk is to stay on the known path. If one ventures off the path it must be recognized that one is increasing his risk....how much?...beats me.... but the gains should be worth it!.......and s far I'm a lucky guy as I've not looked at any of my loads to be reduced by more than manufacturers published data. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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