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I was looking at my guns last night and rolled out the old Model 722 in .222 with 1-14" twist. The twist rate won't really support the use of 60-70 grn bullets (or shouldn't)And everything i have read says it's essentially the same reciever as the 700 minus the hinged floor plate? I had thought that maybe i could just let my daughter shoot that but Naturally this got me thinking, Can you use bottom metal from a 700 and a stock? I remember reading the 700 trigger will fit but the 722 reciever needs to be milled where the safety tang comes up next to the reciever. I've been wanting to build a semi-custom rifle for my kid and am wondering is this a good donor for maybe a Shilen in .243 or somthing? It was chambered originally for up to I think 257 Roberts or .300 Savage. | ||
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a prewar 722 would be best left alone. besides to redo it to 243 would mean opening up the bolt face, rails etc. it'd cost more than going out and buying a new one. 722 in 222 by the way would not be prewar - they didn't come out until the 50's | |||
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You are right, I goofed on that part, thanks. Fixed that part  | |||
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A Remington 722 in .222 is a great rifle, but is a poor choice for a kid's gun. It was equipped with, I believe, a 26" barrel which makes it very long and muzzle-heavy for a small-framed shooter. Also, its stock has a lot of drop at the cheekpiece and a kid's small face can't brace against the stock and see the sights at the same time. A Remington 700 stock can be adapted, but it takes a little work. If your 722 is original and in decent conditio, then it is far better to leave it as is and start with a different gun for a kid's gun. | |||
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The 722 is basically a 700 SA ADL,600-660-XP100. Google 722 for lots of information, and call/email Rem for specifics or talk to a smith. Many parts from 700 SA will fit the 722, including changing it to a BDL by installing a hinged floorplate and swapping/modifying the stock. What is said about a modern day 700 SA can be said of the 722...one's just the older "twin" brother. What can be chambered in the present day SA can be done with the 722. I think I would leave it alone...stone stock and buy another rifle for your daughter. Nothing wrong with the 222 Rem, just use the stubby semi-pointed heavier 63 and 70 gr bullets if you want more "stuff". A 1-14 twist will handle mono 55 gr bullets like Barnes and the newere "lead free" stuff, and even the "older" bullets will do a very good job on deer/varmints when the bullet is placed right, not to get anyone worked up over that statement. I'm always on the lookout for a fish who wants to get rid of his "ancient" shooter for a new one and will give up a nice 721/722 for chump change.  Luck | |||
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Several things here. Age and size of daughter is not mentioned. If very young/small even a .243 may be more than she is ready for. The .222 in terms of recoil/blast would be great for practice regardless of her size. The rifle itself may not fit. If you could find a second stock and cut it to fit her would be great--keep the original for later. In my books the 55 grain bullet works great and if you can't go heavier is a non issue. When starting a youngster shooting, not exposing them to too much blast/recoil is a must. Keep it fun so to speak. The year of your rifle was mentioned. On the left side of the barrel near the receiver will be a 2 or 3 letter code that tells month and year of manufacture. The first letter will be one or the other of BLACKPOWDERX those 12 letters represent the month. The next letter or two letters represent year--which has to be looked up in chart--post what they are and it can be easily ascertained. I have found most kids get bored shooting paper--they like something to happen. Keep it fun. Charcoal, golf balls, icce cubes--something that happens seems to hold attention better. | |||
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I could not think of a much worse gun for hunting game than a 722-222. The rifle is clumsy, cheap extractor, ejector, trigger, junk safety, tacked on bolt handle. The rifles were junk. I had one, shot some chucks with it. It was ok for that light duty if its all you had. Sell it, dump it. Some 'collectors' like that junk and might pay if its 'original'. | |||
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So far your the first person i've heard say they are junk. The few smiths i've talked with and alot of what i've read say they are as good as any 700 as far as the receiver goes. For that matter i'm told it will accept 700 BDL trigger guard assembly and a stock, and most guys are fitting them with a Sako extractor and 700 trigger assembly. | |||
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Now I don't care who you are, that right there is funny!!  | |||
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I have seven Rem 722's, with two of the chambered in 222 Rem. Before you think it needs rebarreling, shoot it, then decide They ain't junk. Here are targets shot by the two rifles. Both rifles are as received from the factory with no tweaking other than trigger ajustments to 2 1/2 pounds. I have one 722 of each chambering Rem made except for the 243. The one I have in 308 isn't shooting well yet. I need to do some load work with it. But all of the others shoot as accurately as the ones in 222.          | |||
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Those appear to shoot real well. This gun is actually about a 90% rifle. The mag well only has 1 spot of blueing rubbed off, no rust, no scratches. It has a fixed weaver 4x with steel rings and bases. I don't plan on selling it, I dislike the bulged barrel and fixed front iron sight and thought it would make a nice project. Resale value doesn't interest me the least. I actually could leave it in tact as far as metal goes, although i think 700 bottom metal with hinged floor plate would be nice in a new stock. | |||
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Icemanls2---There you go. Get the new stock with hinged floorplate and cut the original stock down to fit daughter. As she grows use the hinged floor stock which you have put away. | |||
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Then shoot it till the barrel wears out and then i can play with it.  I pulled the fixed Weaver 4x off and compared it with a new Leupold vari x III and could not believe the weight difference! The Leupold was half the weight so it's getting the new glass as well. Although i may have to put it in a newer stock sooner than later because of the cast off of the original stock, It will be difficult to cheekweld the stock and see the scope for her plus the butt plate and no recoil pad. | |||
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In one word...Bullshit! Stepchild NRA Life Member | |||
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Stepchild 2, With all due respect using profanity does not win an argument. Perhaps you can't rebut my criticisms of the Rem 722 222 and therefore your frustrated. My first centerfire rifle was that exact model and I am glad its gone. I have better (much better) guns. Be well. | |||
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Don't forget guys, CR posts over at the fire as Savage 99. He isn't well liked over there either. Over there he also comes accrost as a dumb fuck. Hey, CR, are you still ignoring me?? Not really sorry about the profanity. I put it in just because of your repeated, whinny, little aversions to it. 'Course if you are indeed ignoring me, you'll never see it. Why don't you post your laundry list of the fine weapons you own? Will you do it if I say I'll be impressed?  Aim for the exit hole | |||
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I've owned several 722's over the years and presently own two and have never experinced the problems you describe. You say you have much better guns, so do I but a rifle that sold for around $50 in 48 or 50 ain't too shabby. I had a 722/222 that would shoot in the low 3's, wish I hadn't sold it, and that was with a K8 Weaver on it. I hear Remington bashers talk about Remington's junk triggers, I have a safe full of Remington rifles and all but one have factory triggers, never had an AD and never had a trigger failure of any kind. Never had a bolt handle fall off either. Sorry if you took objection to the Bullshit comment, but that's how I saw it, Think about this, benchresters of the day were winning benchrest matches with the very rifles that you are are bashing. You should be ashamed! Stepchild NRA Life Member | |||
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Stepchild 2, As I have mentioned before a 722 222 was my first center fire rifle. My late dad got it for me in 1953 along with reloading gear. It came with a Lyman 6X Wolverine in Buehlers. With it I shot my first two deer and many woodchucks. It was a cheap rifle but accurate enough. When I earned some money I got my first good rifle a mew M70 .243 varmint rifle in 1957. I still have that rifle. The 722/222 is heavy, poorly balanced, ugly, too much drop at the comb and has no pride of ownership. Once a person with a metalworking background sees that the bolt lug section is brazed to the bolt body on a 7xx he rejects it as cheap. It should be obvious that those who had safety problems or broken parts on any gun usually don't use that gun in the future thus you still use one. | |||
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CR, I'm sure had your Dad known what the future held and what his son thought of his first CF rifle he might have gotten you something else. VFW | |||
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Let me reiterate: While the 722 is an accurate rifle and an excellent example of low-cost/high performance armament, it is a poor basis for a kid's gun. The excessive stock drop is one problem; another is the possibility of a broken and difficult to fix extractor. The barrel is longer and heavier than desired; and its contour is still excessivly heavy even if cut to an appropriate length for a young shooter. And among the most insidious of issues is the possibility of the gun firing when the safety is disengaged -- a demonstrated and well-established problem that carried over into the M700's. The 722's I've worked with were, on average, more accurate than the later 700's, and even had more "character", if you will. Regardless, there are much better platforms for modification as a youth gun. | |||
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To all, I must retract my statement that the 722's were junk. That's not fair nor accurate. Of course the rifle will not satisfy an elitist who demands a pre 64 M70 extractor on everything including his toothbrush. That design works and has proven to work. While it no longer satisfies my want for 'forgings' its good for others. Almost everything has its benefits and costs. | |||
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I have not been on AR near as long as some and am still learning AR adiquette and am also guilty of calling certain rifles JUNK on here. Though i have learned a ton of valuable information on here, I have also learned if you are going to make a bold statement about a firearm that may be dear to some, you better cover your butt and run, cause someones gonna jump on it. But in realizing that, One may also call you a stand up guy. | |||
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I have a 722 chambered in 257 roberts Vikery improved. This being my first remington I cant really compare it against any other rem. I wish the bbl was a little smaller. It weighs 11 lbs with the original stock. I do have to agree with one comment. I dont like the stock. I dont know if it's me or the stock,but it just dont fit me at all. | |||
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I will take photos tomarrow but i just finished fitting the action to a REM 700 BDL plastic stock to lighten it up and i installed new glass. I still need some good mounts as i just threw these on to shoot it. The fit is 100% better and the best thing my daughter thinks it looks cool. I also disassembled the factory trigger and it was full of crap. After a jeweling and setting the sear engagement it breaks at a crisp 3 lbs and is actually very nice shooting. Here are a couple photos. I shot the last group on the bottom right with the new setup tonight. Make a fine shooter for my daughter.    | |||
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Welcome to the AR forums. Where some have killed thousands of deer (or was it elk), annually. Where one hole groups (1,3 and 5 shot) are the norm. Where opinions are like noses (nice version), everyone has one and most of them smell. Where objective posts will be disputed Where subjective posts will be umpteen pages long. and pictures of nekkid women will get you........ well post a few and you'll find out. Just like in the real world there are all kinds here. Best GWB | |||
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Amen GW | |||
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Good post. Of course there are rifles (both new and used ones) that fit some folks desires better than any 722. Still and all, the old 722s were very useful rifles, and for many purposes still are. For instance I still have three 722s which are "switch-barrel" guns. Nice thing is, I can switch the various barrels between all three of the actions with no concerns regarding safety. There are "supposedly superior" actions out there with which that is not possible at all, and others where it is not nearly as easy as with the 722/721/725/700s. I have had one 722 extractor fail, but then it had seen many thousands of rounds of use before that happened. It was not too great a trick to replace. I never paid over $50 for any of the rifles when they were new to me. I have never had either a factory or after-market trigger or safety fail on any Remington, though I have had an after-market trigger AND a factory safety fail on another "claw extractor"" make. The Remingtons are BONE-EASY to make shoot well, as a general rule. I wouldn't mess up a good 722 in .222 with permanent modifications to get a kid's gun, if I had the ability to buy her something else. But then, a used, then modified, stock is easy to come by. Likewise, so would be a used barrel. Shouldn't take much money to make her a good, useful gun that could easily be put back to original by any home tinkerer with a barrel vice and an action wrench. The hard part would be getting anther bolt to fit the new cartridge (unless the new round was a .223 Rem., in which instance one could just use the .222 bolt as is). With the price of bolts these days, I'd probably just find her some other "previously owned" rifle, if I wanted cartridge with a larger diameter base. Best wishes, AC My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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Since Remington 722s with the barrel boss for the rear sight in 222 were cataloged with 26" barrels, it appears that your rifle has had the barrel cut back of a more user friendly length. Back in the middle to late 1980s, I bought a lot of Remington 722s in 222, 257 Roberts, and 300 Savage for under $200. I kept a few for the actions, sold the stock and barrels, and cut the barrels on quite a few of the 222s and 300s back to 20" for guys who couldn't find, or couldn't afford, Remington 600/660s. You could convert your rifle to a BDL format with a set of 700 BDL bottom metal and a 700 BDL magazine box. JEff | |||
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Prior to the introduction of the M700, Remington used junk 722s to build their junk 40Xs. I guess the custom shop was using a lot of junk back in the day. Here's a picture of my junk 40X, it's a single shot in .222.  | |||
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Mighty fine looking "JUNK" there Craigster. | |||
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I'm glad CR used the term "elitist" instead of "purist". An elitist is someone that has an puffed-up opinion of themselves even though they can't find their way out of the woods because of all the trees. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Just put together a poor mans LVSF. Picked up a nice 722 in 300Sav cheap. Put an LVSF 22-250 barrel on it, an ADL stock and a 4200 2x10 Scope works great. I saved all the 300Sav parts and can put it back in original condition if needed. If it were my rifle I'd find a 223 1-9 take off barrel and a BDL stock and change it over. That way you could use premium big game designed .224 bullets in it. and still be able to sell it as a collectors piece. Don't punch the original barrel to .223 as you will gain nothing. The 1-14 barrel won't hande anything over a a 55gr FB and none of the Barnes bullets even the 53gr is too long for for that slow twist. 375Win After the first shot the rest are just noise | |||
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I've decided to go with a 24" Stainless Shilen with 1-9" twist and BDL bottom metal. The original barrel was cut off at some point back to 20 inches and drilled for a ramped front sight. I think my uncle may have had somthing to do with that before i got it. Thats why i'm making the choice to rebarrel it. | |||
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That's a fine looking rifle! Stepchild NRA Life Member | |||
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