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Trying to decide on a new rifle. I will either be buying a Savage Model 11 Long Range Hunter, or the Savage Model 12 Long Range Prescision in 260 Rem or 6.5 Creedmoor. I would just like to get the opinions of a few of you guys!!! Some of us young guys actually value the opinions of you old guys!!!!   | ||
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The caliber choices are great. The rifle manufacturer choice is lame. Do yourself a favor and have one built on a Remington action by a good gunsmith. You'll never regret it! | |||
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Better yet one like this!!!   /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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+ 1 and +2 on both the previous posts. Alan  | |||
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 This is a group shot out of my SAVAGE Model 111 Long Range Hunter. It is a 6.5x284. This is why I would buy a Savage over ANY other brand of gun!!!! | |||
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I always here you guys talk bad about savage!!!! Why do ya'll hate Savage so much? | |||
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I’ll take you at your word. I can't speak for others, myself only. I will leave the discussion as to whether a 6.5 creedoor or 260 remington is the better chambering to others. I do know that a 130 gr. or 140 gr. bullet traveling between 2700 and 3000 fps., out of a MOA rifle, will kill deer, hogs, and varmints on all the days that end in "Y", both up close and out a pretty good way. I do not hate Savage rifles. I've owned a number of them. In fact I respond with the following statement quite often. "If accuracy was the only thing I was interested in when deciding upon a rifle, all my rifles would be Savage." So with that in mind I’ll post the following I’ll see you a 260 Rem   Sako 75 Varmint, 260 Rem. throw in a 9.3 x 62 for shits and giggles   Sako 75 Hunter, 9.3 x 62 And raise ya’ a couple Coopers  100 yds, off bench  Cooper model 22, Montana Varminter, 6.5 x 284  100 yds., off bench, PSC shooting club  Cooper model 22, Varmint extreme, 308 Win. Perhaps you get my drift. Best GWB | |||
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Cary, I won't bad mouth a Savage; I think. Their accuracy potential is well known. For me, it's something to do with aesthetics. Savages have just never caught my eye. Beauty in the eye of the beholder and all that.... Alan | |||
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Same here, Savage just does not do it in the aesthetic department. But, if you think of it as a tool. Its a hell of a good cheap tack driver. Cheers, John Give me COFFEE and nobody gets hurt | |||
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I'll take accuracy over looks anytime. I buy guns to shoot, not to show! | |||
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Cary, as was pointed out, good looks and accuracy don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive. In fact Savage has come a long way. Here is a 10 FCP in 308 that's not to shabby in either department. This model does not feature the tactical stock. If not stalking, I’m sitting in a stand so a 9 lb rifle, though somewhat heavy is not too heavy. I did not want a 10 lb plus gun, I didn’t want a tactical stock and I didn’t want spend a grand plus, so I got the FCP. Not a bad looking rifle. As stated, gripe with Savage in the past has not been with the accuracy, but in eye appeal. This one appealed to me.  100 yds., off bench.  and another fair group, at 200 yds.  Remember always, this is for fun. Best GWB | |||
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. I completely agree! I have been a defender of savage because of this until my friends experience and my gunsmiths input. My friends savage 6.5-284 won't shoot worth shit. My gunsmith says savage barrels are the roughest he's scoped. My buddy says it would take a week to get the copper out of his gun. My gunsmith says, "if you have a factory rifle , 2" groups are common" My friends savage proves it. | |||
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Accuracy only counts if first the gun feeds, ejects, extracts, has a decent trigger and a functional safety and stock dimensions that are fitting. There's a lot a gun does and has before it's accuracy is important.....and that is where I depart from the Savage line....they don't make the grade in my opinion!......looks are totally secondary to function! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I own several savage rifles, and have sold hundreds of Savage rifles out of my gun shop. In fact I sell 5 times more Savage rifles than all the other brands combined, and have Never had any of them brought back to me for anything!!! | |||
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Cary, This will be my last reply on this thread. May I remind you of your original post on this thread.
My original reply was, I’ll take you at your word. It seems that you really are not looking for the input of others. Would appear that when you did not get the answer you were looking for, you became defensive. So with that I will wish you well and close with the following:: I tell folks "you know what free advice is worth, well this advice is not free, I've paid for it with 60 years of my life". I offer it to you with no strings attached. You are free to accept it or not. Profit from it or not. Remember, you can lead a guitar to water, but you can't tune a fish. Best GWB | |||
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The topic of this thread was 260 Remington or 6.5 Creedmoor. This is what I am asking advice on. I will be buying a Savage rifle. I would like to know what you guys think of both cartridges, which one you'd prefer, and why. | |||
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Cary, Here is my opinion. The 260 and 6.5 CM are ballistically the same from everything I have read. I own two 6.5x55's which is ballistically comparable to the above two in modern actions. I have taken a liking to 6.5 caliber. So much that I am looking to build a lightweight hunting rifle. So I have been researching the SA 6.5's. Here's my take. 260 has Lapua brass available. 6.5 CM allows more flexibility in bullet seating depth due to the shorter case. It also has two excellent factory loads available for it. For my use, a 260 will work just fine as I will be using 120-130gr bullets exclusively. The seating depth should not come into play. | |||
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If you build a 260 on a Sako 75 action you will have more than enough room in the magazine to set the bullets well out there. Loads of length there. Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get you.... | |||
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To me there is a lot of beauty in a rifle that drops them right in there into a tiny little bitty hole for 3 to 5 shots at a long distance... and there is beauty in a rifle that can get bounced around in the fields and not look all beat up when you get home... there is beauty in utility... my favorite action is a model 70... for looks and class my favorite rifle is a Cooper... but that is out of my budget range.. as far as the caliber choice... well, I have had the 260 since it came out... and I don't see the reason to re invent the wheel.. the accuracy of the ones I have, have prevented me from buying a 6.5 x 284 and the 6.5 Creedmoor.... I also have several Swedes, and my favorite cartridge, which is a 6.5 x 57... I have an original Rem 700 VLS in 260... and hunt with one of two Ruger Stainless models in 260 Rem...plus I have added a couple of rebarrels to Model 70 actions... If I was limited to one cartridge for all of my hunting.. it would either be the 260 or the 6.5 x 57... | |||
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Cary, Rifles aside. Ok, as for caliber only. I'd take the 6.5CM. No wait. The 260 Rem now has Lapua brass. No wait. I think the CM has a better availability of factory loads. No wait. The 260 has the Federal Premium with 140 Partitions. No wait. The CM has the 30 degree shoulder which to me, means less case trimming due to less neck growth. No wait. I already own a Rem 700 CDL SF Limited in 260 Rem and it's the most accurate factory rifle I've ever owned. No wait. I gave it to my daughter. Stupid me! Oh wait. I own two 6.5x47's and IMO, the -47 trumps both the 260 and the CM.  Hah! Problem resolved.....for me! So Cary, whatcha gonna choose?  Alan | |||
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Why I just think my WILD CARD takes the trick! (6.5 R-Bar)  Thought I'd just throw that in the pot for shits and giggles. rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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I've not seen the R-Bar in the Winner's Circle. Maybe it just hasn't been put into the right hands? Hint....Hint... I'm thinking: Brux 26" 1 in 8 Stainless Remington 700 Blueprinted action Brake 20 MOA base Tactical rings AI Magazines, 5 round and 10 round McMillan A-5 Stock Pillar and Epoxy Bedded Leupold FF ER/T Mark IV 8.5-25 M5 Knobs Also one set up for hunting... | |||
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Cary, Here is another thought. I do not know the difference between the two rifles you are choosing between. As I am not a Savage fan, but it is purely a personal thing. Is there a big difference in the rifles? Is there one you like better than the other? The cartridge is actually secondary IMO. | |||
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I have a Rem 700 with a Lilja barrel in 260 as well as a very accurate M96 Swede 6.5x55. I've been very disappointed with Remington's brass for the 260, but now that Lapua has brass, I wouldn't go for the Creedmore. A year ago, I might have. Go for a 260 or a 6.5 Swede - only reason to go 6.5 Creedmore is if you're building a Ar-10 type gun, IMHO. Dave | |||
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RC, I have been meaning to ask you, is a brake really necessary on a 6.5mm in tactical competition? I see they are the norm, even on 556. Have you had any point of impact shift firing from bipod vs supported or off hand? PS My brother hand Robbie Barrkmann at Robar make him a magazine fed scout on a savage action and barrel about ten years ago because he didnt want to take his more expensive rifles to Africa! It's a shooter but still has a Savage trigger. Andy | |||
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Cary, there was a very good article in the latest issue of Handloader magazine, and in it they were expounding the virtues of each of these cartridges but seemed to lean toward the Creedmore. The reason they liked the Creedmore is because the chamber will handle heavier/longer bullets and most rifles in this caliber are made with a faster rate of twist. I would opt for the 6.5 Creedmore if I were choosing. BTW, there is nothing wrong with the Savage rifles and I like mine, especially with the Boyd stock and Timney trigger. Dennis Life member NRA | |||
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  Andy, With the brake, you can watch bullets impact targets. There is always a different POI between the bipod, bags... | |||
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 Be glad to loan you the reamer.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Dave, I agree with you about the Swede's... I own several M38's, 1-M96, and 1-CG 63. I'm a huge fan of the Swedish Mauser's!!!!!!! | |||
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Its my understanding the Creedmore was created to shoot long heavy bullets at long ranges. I like 130 and 140 grains so I have Sakos in 6.5x55 and 260 and love them both! If I was getting back into silhouette shooting, it would be the Creedmore. If not, the 260 is my choice. | |||
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At the risk of drifting back to the original post... LJS's comments seem to be on target. I've been pondering a 6.5 Creedmore for culling deer in soy bean fields where 450 yards would be possible. 600 would be possible for some shooters on this board but not for me. I'm thinking the Creedmore looks better than a .260 on paper for the long shots and inside 50 yards would do anything to a black bear or big whitetail the .260 would do. Sei wach! | |||
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 A deep throated fast twist 6.5 X .284 ,Std. length action would seem ideal for protecting soy beans at over 400 yd. rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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If you are only looking at 120-130 grain bullets I'd go with the 260. Even with crappy Remington brass the 3 I have all shoot very well with bullets like Barnes, Nosler, and Hornady. For many of the optimum powders for the capacity available there just isn't a practical diffrence in velocity and the platform you intend to use is the same for either case. It's a coin toss from a performance standpoint. I'd get both if I were you and let us know how they work out! | |||
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Unless you are going to be loading or shooting bullets heavier than 140 grains or a bunch of VLD bullets, better to stick with the .260. Lot's more availability of factory ammo, and cases. Also, if you need to, you can use .243 Win, 7mm-08, .308 Win, .338 Fed, .358 Win cases in a pinch. The Creedmore begs the question - why? Sort of like the .300 Win Mag. vs .308 Norma or .222 vs. .223. I'd rather have, and do have, the older more established cartridge. If I wanted to shoot bullets heavier than 140 grains or a bunch of VLD bullets, I'd step up to the 6.5/.284. If you are going to carry a big stick, you've got to whack someone with it at least every once in while. | |||
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Geedubya, I've seen a couple of your posts now, and I wish you'd just stop it.... Before you make me cry  If you are going to carry a big stick, you've got to whack someone with it at least every once in while. | |||
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+1 got to have form and function!!! **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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@ 603 yds - behind the shoulder shot on elk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded Linda Donaho with the 6.5 Creedmoor from Hornady: http://youtu.be/x4iM6UDMkcc warrior | |||
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