Hi Folks,

I have some questions for all you pros that know much more than me about this stuff.

I am about to acquire a rifle that was aparently custom built in or near the town of Indiana, Pennsylvania. It is called a 244-3000 that from my research looks close to the 244 H&H. Can anyone tell me any information about this round? I was told that it was a 300 H&H necked down to a 243. It aparently comes with dies.

I know no history of this so PLEASE help! I appreciate any info.

Have a great day!

I'd PASS on it! The 244 H & H isn't a very good round from practical experience. It is the 375 H & H necked down and "overbore" in the extreme.

If you use an internet search on 244 Holland Magnum you will find various "Wikipedia" type sites explaining it.

A friend, in Scotland, had one and after the first time out when it took SIX SHOTS to drop a large red deer sold it. Quite simply with cup and core bullets it is too explosive and you'll get no penetration.

It offers nothing, save a pain in the ass in loading, that can't be done with ONE EXTRA ROUND IN THE MAGAZINE by either the 6mm Remington or the 240 Weatherby Magnum.

Leave it in the rack!

A 244H&H will burn about 30grs more powder than a 6mmrem to gain about 150fps.

If you want it to be different go for it. To me it is about 28grs too much case capacity for the 244.

beauty (and usefulness) are in the eye of the beholder.

If you live more than twenty miles (one way) from the range you shoot on, one trip will cost you more in fuel $$ than a pound of powder.

This rifle just needs premium bullets IMHO.

If you like it, buy it. Just make sure you get the reloading dies with it.

Ok! Thanks guys for the information. It turns out that I got the rifle and it is a 244 H&H. I was told that It came with 100 empty 300 H&H brass but that didnt pan out. I searched the web for 300 H&H brass to buy but everyone including midway is out of stock. Can anyone tell me if 300 Weatherby Brass can be formed to make the 244 H&H?

I appreciate all the help! Thank you very much and have a great day!

http://www.grafs.com/retail/ca...duct/productId/16672

Grafs has both Rem and Nosler listed.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.aspx

There are also several listing on gunbroker. As to the 300Wby I never had much luck with the double radius when reforming. I would try 8mag before I would try the Wby. Either way you will have a thick neck.

Read Palmisanos article in(May?) 1993 AR.seems to run up to pretty dangerous pressures pretty quickly.convinced me i didnt need one.

Midway sells Qual-Cart 244 H&H brass and RCBS also makes a 300/375H&H->244H&H form die set.

Hornady magnum basic

Doubtless, with the slow burning powders available today, a .244 H&H could be made to shoot long heavy bullets quite well. But there are two issues to deal with in older rifles. The first of these is that a true .244 H&H uses bullets of .245" diameter and not .243". Secondly, to shoot long, heavy bullets at high velocity requires a very quick barrel twist - on the order of 1 turn in 7" for a 115gr bullet. Older guns were made with slower twists for shooting bullets of 100 grains.

OOPS!Mar1991 TAR p30 by Wm Davis(quotes Palmisano).Pretty severe erosion after 300 rds& pressure INCREASES.cant get fact velocities unless a 32"bbl,24" bbl gets~200 fps less.

I'd go along with enfield's advice. barrel life is short, my mate has one and it's a real pain. I think David LLoyd built some rifles in this calibre, if it's one of his ,buy it and have some fun with it, then re-barrel it to something else....

sounds like the makins of a good 300 H&H rifle to me.

If it's well built rifle and you got it at a good price a new barrel ain't too expencive.
Leo

A 244/3000 is unknown to me, but slower than a 244 H&H. You'l have to make a chamber cast and slug the bore to see what it really is. A plain old 6mm/06 will make 3000 with 100 gr bullets and more with lightweights.

See:http://www.loaddata.com/members/search_detail.cfm?MetallicID=436&caliber=6mm&caliberid=40&header=6mm%20Caliber%20Reloading%20Data

Thought I'd sound off as I appear to be the only poster to actually have built a 244 H&H.
It was built on a 700 Classic action with a SAKO extractor installed as it is quite "hot" and the std Rem. extractor would fail. It was built with a 27" barrel (stainless) and a 1 in 8 twist. It was a true 6mm rather than the H&H bullet diameter. Cases came from Qual-Cartridge and needed some prep (neck up neck down to headspace on shoulder and trimming), It was built specifically for the new Barnes 80 gr TTSX that a max load of H869 would push to 3700 fps and shoot sub MOA. case life was at least 5 loads before primer pockers loosened. It would take apart conventional cup and core bullets at about 50-75 yards, but the vapor trail was cool. Built as a "fun project", killed a few Yotes (with great violence) and sold across the pond. With my 28" Browning Highwall in 25-06, the new 80 gr TTSX, w/Hybrid 100V, I am getting 3997 fps with no drama, so the H&H IME was inferior. But, I'll fess up abd admit I have a 400 Whelen (one elk several deer) and a 22-06 (many varmints, one deer on a cull hunt). All were 1 shot kills with Xs, TSXs or TTSXs, (an was this year's Antelope with the above mentioned 25-06).

First step .....chamber cast !

I have two of these..both on pre-64 Winchester..one an H&H the other a std short mag action..Both were fitted on a 26" Douglas air guage bbl cut on the pre-64 contour with barrel lug. Got one set of dies with neck reducing dies on the internet..$250 and have ordered another set from RCBS..$300++The reamer is from PTG. So far I have enjoyed shooting it and reloading for it. I have a few 240 WBY's and there is a difference..enough for me to keep wanting to reload for it. One caution would be to be careful and not shoot reduced loads..John