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11 April 2013, 22:14
bartscheWILDCATTERS

I would like to see what wildcats you've DESIGNED and
BUILT .
Cartridge caliber:
Name:
Rifle type and mod.

roger
Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..
12 April 2013, 00:30
Tyler Kemp375 "MIZ" (actually just a 375 WSM)
Remington 700 action, jewell trigger, bigger bolt knob
16" fluted barrel with brake
Manner's carbon fiber superlight stock
Badger M5 bottom metal and AICS mags
Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too!
Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system.
12 April 2013, 08:16
bartscheGreat start ,Tyler! What name did you give that camo?

roger

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13 April 2013, 02:15
Von GruffWell, not too many takers on this thread Bartche.
Not nearly as exotic as Tylers 375 MIZ but my 6.5 GM is not available off the shelf so maybe it counts as a wildcat.
I hydroformed the shoulder of a 6.5 Grendel forward by .05 and had a reamer made to suit with my own chamber neck and throat dimensions so I could load to 2.4 in COAL rather than the 2.25 of the Grendel. Built on a Interarms mini mauser with lengthened mag and new bolt handle in my own made laminated stock with a 21 in barrel I have got the 123gn A Max runing at 2700fps that ran 1/4 - 1/3 moa at 200 yds.
Not the fanciest rifle around as it is for my hill hunting but it has been so effective that a friend has built one as well.
13 April 2013, 07:29
bartsche
IT IS A WILDCAT!!The rifle ,To me,has a beautiful clean looking appearance. Just what a field piece should look like.Great stuff.

roger
Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..
13 April 2013, 16:58
jeffeosso257 jls - 25x300 wsm - reamer cut the day winchester released drawings of wsm - smaller than 257 weatherby -- with 100fps.. boringly accurate - 120gr at 3450
416, 456, 470 accurate reloading - shortened and improved RUM to .416, .458, and .475, case capacity larger than 416 rem, 458 lott, and 470 capstick 416 - 400 over 2400fps, 458- 500gr at 2300 EASILY (can go over 2400) - 470 - .475 over 2300 easily
500 accurate reloading - shortened and improved rigby case - slightly larger than a 495 a2 .. necked to .510 - 600gr over 2300 no problem..
550 express - (Neal and I) shortened and improved 460 weatherby case -- necked to 550 -- 700gr at 2130 -- matches the 577 NE in ME, higher SD
all of the above fit in a standard length action, have been built by more than me, and , except the 257,have head stamped brass available.
550 flanged - shortened and improved 577/500 to .550 - i built two rifles 800 at 1900fps.. monster slayer
others-
490 accurate reloading and inventor of the 49 caliber .. .498 groove, .490 bore, same as 500 accurate reloading (with shortened throat) - still waiting on parts and tooling
at least honorable mention on the 577BME and 700 DA
consulted on several other cases and designs .
next project .458 LC -- .458 + 45LC .. or something close to that.. may work off the 45/70 brass, or 480 ruger ... 300 gr HP at 1000 FPS would be fine .. yeah?
14 April 2013, 02:34
ramrod340If my memory is working. That is an unknown now days.
240PDK, 250PDK, 280PDK, 340PDK, 350PDK, 380PDK, 400PDK and since I got tired of ending in "0" the 6.5PDK and 416PDK.
Everything but the 380&400 are blown out shoulder forward 280Rem cases. The 380 & 400 are cylinder brass same design just longer COAL.
As usual just my $.02
Paul K
14 April 2013, 23:42
bartsche
Jeffeosso and ramrod 340, Very impressive. Thanks for sharing.

roger
Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..
16 April 2013, 01:56
PaulSI have designed 3 and built two.
Both are based on the 30-30 and were built to increase the velocity of existing rounds.
The first was a 30-30/6mm. Just rechambered a 6mm TCU to the 30-30/^mm in a TCR. The rifle would not shoot the smaller cartridge without eating primer parts and could not achieve the advertised velocities for the round. The 30-30/6mm got my required 3000 fps easily and is a true "tack driver".
The second was a 357 Maximum Contender that was rechambered to 35-30 (30-30 necked up to 35 caliber. I haven't settled on a load yet but it is grouping five in one inch at 100 yards with both 158gr JHC sierra pistol bullets and the 180gr Speer FP bullet. I haven't used the chronograph on it yet but I will when I find THE load for the gun.
The third round is not one that I have made but it is a 40 caliber revolver cartridge that would compare favorably with the 44 mag. I lost most of my interest in it when the 10mm and 40 SW came out. It would be a step up from the 10mm for sure but the difficulty in making a new cylinder is on the back burner with a few other projects ahead of it.
Speer, Sierra, Lyman, Hornady, Hodgdon have reliable reloading data. You won't find it on so and so's web page.
16 April 2013, 17:02
jeffeossoForgot to mention. Everything from 416-550express fit in a standard length action. The 257 can fit in a short action. The 550 flanged requires a break open gun. Or a very interestingly modified bolt gun. I just love 3.345 AOL rounds
510WSM
It ain't pretty but it's fun. It was my first ever attmept at gunsmithing and had limited tools.
http://forums.accuratereloadin.../6521043/m/472101969One of these days I'll re-contour and crop the barrel and go bowling for pigs. Quickload says I can get 450gr slugs to 2150 with a heap of AA1680 from a 20" barrel.
17 April 2013, 00:57
Tyler KempI call that camo "school colors"

Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too!
Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system.
17 April 2013, 05:53
ramrod340Mizzou
As usual just my $.02
Paul K
17 April 2013, 10:13
ramrod340quote:
Jeffeosso and ramrod 340, Very impressive
If you stick to the same family it is easy. Everything 280 and larger was cut with the same reamer and simply rent neck/throater or seperate reamers. The use another die to neck size blow the case out and or reloading. I was usually several reloads down the road before I would have custom dies (that was the big expense).
I did have a new reamer cut to build the 240, 250 and 6.5. Loaned it out and it never made it home.

As usual just my $.02
Paul K
22 April 2013, 22:35
bartsche
I'm surprised that there are so few wildcat design and builders on this forum.

roger
Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..
24 April 2013, 00:30
bartsche
Around 1957-58. I designed a 6.5x30-30 IMP. I was corresponding with Warren Page at the time and he told me not to bother with some thing like that. I was crushed.

Around 1959-60 I designed a .375 Mini might.This was inspired by Ruger's 44 mag carbine. I figured it would do well in a semi auto, bolt, or slide action and would make a good woods cartridge.

Concurrently the .358, .308and the 7mm mini might were designed.These were finally built into rifles when the cash became available in 1982. The dies were stamped mini might by RCBS, but the smith who made the rifles took the liberty to rename and stamp them .375x41, ,358x41, 7.62x41 and 7mmx41. The rifle ware 16 1/2" bull barrels. There is also a light weight 7.62x41 with a 22" barrel that was recently made.

My next design was a 6.5 x .284 in 1966. I honestly thought when I had the rifle built that year that it was an original wildcat, and may have been. Communications on such things back then were really minimal.

The next design (1967) was a 6mm 06 IMP. There was a slight mishap when Fred Barnes was chambering it. The reamer went in about .050" too deep so it became a 6mm X .270 IMP. It became a fantastic mule deer rifle when the 110 -115grain Barne's original bullets were used. When other cup and core bullets of the day were used it created a horrible wounding machine.

Around 1994 I decided to build a super Elk cartridge and rifle. The .358 X 404 IMP was born. It was built on a Mod 98 Mauser . Because of the cartridge length it was made into a single shot.

Some where near the beginning of this century I decided to come up with the 8mm X .425 WR X 2.5" IMP. The endeavor here was to take a Mod 98 8mm , rechamber it , work on the feeding , modify the stock and come up with an inexpensive power house on a std. length action. Ran into a soft Brass problem so I opened the bolt face lapped the chamber and came up with the 8mm X .404 X 2.5" IMP.

I also am the daddy of the 22 Jet rimless.

A couple years ago I figured I'd have a rifle built for a cartridge I designed in the early 80s but never followed through with . I named it the 6.5 X 51.6. When Vapo Dog chambered it he pressed for it to be Called 6.5-R-Bar and that is what too many tools engraved on it. It was thought to be made with .308 cases but the necks had to be turned and were. The .243 cases proved to be the better parent case;size and load. BINGO

roger
Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..
24 April 2013, 03:52
ramrod340quote:
1957-58
Heck I was still loading little rocks in my bb gun because they wouldn't give me any BBs.

As usual just my $.02
Paul K
24 April 2013, 21:59
bartschequote:
Originally posted by ramrod340:
quote:
1957-58
Heck I was still loading little rocks in my bb gun because they wouldn't give me any BBs.
Always thought it would be apropos for the town in wich you live to be called Packer. Matter of taste I guess.

roger

Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..
25 April 2013, 00:31
ramrod340quote:
Always thought it would be apropos for the town in wich you live to be called Packer. Matter of taste I guess

I know I've been gigged by the more EXPERIENCED wildcatter but I'm not 100% how. Must be an age thing.

Mailing address actually says Elizabeth but that is just about only a stop sign. Parker has the Lowes.
I do wish I had been more radical and used different cases like Roger and Jeff. As I can remember every other wildcat I built was really based probably 95% on others work. The 380 and 400 were cylinder brass and about as far as I got from a 280 case.

Would have loved to played with the 404 or RUM case. Seems like everytime the urge hit I was recoverying from surgery and restricted to smaller calibers.
Nice to see someone like Tyler joining in back in HS and watching him grow.
As usual just my $.02
Paul K
25 April 2013, 08:10
jeffeossoquote:
Originally posted by ramrod340:
quote:
1957-58
Heck I was still loading little rocks in my bb gun because they wouldn't give me any BBs.
awhile later, i was using hawthorns for the same reason... stick them down the barrel point first, till they stuck, back off a hair, cut it off, and i had a bandolier of them, stuck into my girth strap, that i could lean down and pluck a pigeon point (that's what I called them) when i was near a flock of squab ...
quote:
Originally posted by bartsche:

I'm surprised that there are so few wildcat design and builders on this forum.
You got to give the punk kids a chance...
I'm going to see how this works:
30-06/7WSSM comparison, and fitment in an Alpha Industries magazine.
It's not
built yet but my barrels are coming at the end of May, and reamers going through inspection at PTG right now. The bottom metal and stock are sitting on the shelf and the action's on the perpetual "4-week" lead time... But it'll be built soon.
Otherwise I've got the .338-300RUM, the 243AI, and the long-throated .357sig carbine too, but those aren't my own design.
26 April 2013, 05:06
bartschequote:
Originally posted by ramrod340:
quote:
Always thought it would be apropos for the town in wich you live to be called Packer. Matter of taste I guess

I know I've been gigged by the more EXPERIENCED wildcatter but I'm not 100% how. Must be an age thing.
Packer was a guy in Colorado who with 6 other guys ,I think, got snowed in for the winter in Colorado at higher elevation and survived by eating his comrades during his entrenchment. my attempt at be humorous!

roger
Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..
26 April 2013, 06:33
Spooksar22-6mm Ackely, 6.5-300WSM, 240 Gibbs,280 Ackely , 8.5 Reb,35/300 RUM and a 416 Taylor
Member NRA, NFA,CSSA,DSC,SCI,AFGA
30 April 2013, 16:54
jeffeossoOh. Forgot the 45/120 nitro and the hogkiller's invention of the 550 BPE. Which is a flanged loaded with about a pound of black powder. My avatar picture is actually me touching that off and the fireball.
The 45-120 nitro is my name for 45-120 loaded hot. With a strong action and Norma brass A couple guys have picked up on it
And the 49 caliber. That's mine entirely.