I´ve got a Set of Butch´s Dies, and they are outstanding....necked everything down i could get, but....it´s not working with Cases like 8x68S and up.

I REALY would like to know if there are Dies to do the same job, but for bigger Cases, mayby like .404Jeff., 416Rigby...

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2RECON

The problem is the dieholder cannot be made larger because of the limited size 7/8x14 threaded hole. The answer would be to take the insert out of your press and make a holder to fit the new hole. It might be possible to think of doing that at a later date. I am still way in the hole on the initial 100 sets. Thanks to the guys on this forum, I have moved 40 sets.
Butch

I agree with 2recon-I'd take a set too if they ever become available in larger size (higher price anticipated, of course) ...say to fit the RCBS A-2 press without the thread-bushing at all. I find most of the cases I am shaping these days are made from .404 or larger brass.

Could just go down to the shop and make my own set,but am lazy...besides, it's nice to keep you busy and out of trouble, Butch.

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Originally posted by butchlambert:
The problem is the dieholder cannot be made larger because of the limited size 7/8x14 threaded hole. The answer would be to take the insert out of your press and make a holder to fit the new hole. It might be possible to think of doing that at a later date. I am still way in the hole on the initial 100 sets. Thanks to the guys on this forum, I have moved 40 sets.
Butch

Hi Butch,
i´m shure you´ll sell ALL of the Dies.
You´ve don an outstanding job.
If you ever make those bigger ones ( mayby up to 416Rigby) i´m in.
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2RECON

You guys are tough! I started on a one off tonight. Help me out. My largest bushing now is .404 I believe. I was thinking .425-.450-.475-.500. I need a little help. This is to play with only. Roger suggested a 45deg. entry instead of a radius. I will try that on the first bushing and see what happens.
Am I covering what you want?
Butch

If you wait a bit I will have a couple in that range done soon and let you know the results. For starters I'll get a couple made from 5/8" OD. drill bushings from Mcmaster. I'll use your bushing holder and take it to .500" ID.They'll probably be 3/4" long but that should be no never mind. This is just let's see what can be done by a curious old Engineer.

Keep in mind that is a 45 Degree included angle or a shoulder as we call it 22.5 Degrees.

You got a nice little product and I hope what I'm doing helps. roger

Roger,
I took out the RCBS insert. It measures 1.250" od on the threads. My adapter will have a 3/4"xfine thread on the ID. I plan on using 3/4" OD bushings. We'll see how it works.
Butch

Butch:
Dan and I just added a larger series to our line. Our standard has been 1,1/4- 12 body w/ ID to accept .750 diameter inserts. The new one accepts 7/8 inserts. Both utilize the ability to adjust head space in the assembly. because there is a shoulder on the bottom die insert (5/8 and 3/4 respectively) a WSM is as large as the smaller will accept. The new 7/8 is longer and will take up to a Rigby. We are more than willing to sell just the body assembly.
I'm also working up some add ons to to enable some hydraulic forming. -- An 8 X 68 into a 7 X 68 Ackley. A 7mm Boo Boo actually.

Alan

That might just work. Check Alan's website: http://www.warner-tool.com/reloading.htm
Butch

That sounds good,
WTC-Body and butch´s bushings.....
Mayby,just an idea, but necking down stuff like a .338Lapua is rough work.
Think i´ll be a little easier if the bushings would be "coated"...TiN, mayby TiCN

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2RECON

Playing around this morning. I replaced the RCBS holder with the one that I made to hold .8125 inserts. Alan's .875 would work also. I was using material that was available and that was the reason for the .8125. I made one with a .500ID and one with .450ID. I used Rogers idea of the 45deg. included angle. The 45deg appears to work OK. It would go from the .500 to .450, but it did not feel good. I was using magnum basic brass. I need a .475.
Got other projects to work on, so probably won't go any further today.
Butch

2RECON:
It's all about not trying to move too much at once and annealing between steps.

I got my other chores done a little early. I ended up making 5 bushings to neck and shorten the basic brass to the size that my 9 die set could take over. I shortened the mag brass to 1" and to .243. My wife said I had to come in so I didn't try to go all the way to 14 caliber. I was looking at pretty thick brass in the neck. You will need to neck turn at some stage to make sure the neck thickness is acceptable and uniform.
Alan is certainly right about annealing and not pushing the limit of the dies. To do a good job I had to make 5 dies instead of the 3 that I thought work. You might get by, but you are going to collapse some pieces of brass.

Butch

to Alan W
Agree....have necked down .338Lapua to2.224" and sized zo hold .30cal Bullets in two steps.
I´ve needed lot´s of try and error to find the right "Balance" of necking and annealing-Steps.

to Butch:
yes, necking down Big once you´ll get "fat"-necks the shorter the case/or smaller the Diam. used.
Neck turning is one way to get rid of the material, but i prefer to ream-out the necks.
It gives you a nice run-out of the final case.

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2RECON

[QUOTE] but i prefer to ream-out the necks.
It gives you a nice run-out of the final case.Best2RECON[/QUOT

OK if you say so. roger

2RECON,
If you need dies for larger bodied cases, give Niel Jones Custom Products a call. He's been making 1" dies and the adapter for the Rockchucker for a couple of years now.
The bushings do need to be coated if use Imperial sizing die was and with the right amount of movement. Can't try to move it too much or the case buckles.
There is no need to anneal either. I've necked 404's down to .17 just to prove annealing was not needed. It's way overrated and a waste of time and money.
OutKaste

Roger sent me the 2 that he made. He took a .437 and .500 drill bushing in a .625 OD drill bushing. He cut the angle and polished it. It works great on the 375 Ultra Mag.
Butch

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I've necked 404's down to .17 just to prove annealing was not needed.

If you can do that, my 338LapMag down to .300 and to the length of a .30-06 should be a breeze.

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Originally posted by homebrewer:
If you can do that, my 338LapMag down to .300 and to the length of a .30-06 should be a breeze.

Absotively!! roger

I'll get some pics of the stuff I've worked with and post them.
OutKaste